From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #8 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thurs, 7 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 008 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #7 the_dojang: New to the list Re: the_dojang: New to the list Re: the_dojang: TAKE A LOOK the_dojang: Weapons - Beginning at What Age? the_dojang: Re: Aloha Han Guk!!! Re: the_dojang: Re: Aloha Han Guk!!! the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #7 the_dojang: Color of the Month.... the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #7 the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Giddins Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 12:27:51 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #7 >> But don't you think that ATA (perhaps for commercial purposes?) is losing the TKD spirit diluted in a mix of everything? I have never been to one of their dojang, but from what I read on that list it looks very different from the ITF/WTF. << >>I don't think that they have schools other here in London. << Well, the key to both those questions is the same. The first A stands for "American." This is what we Americans do best. Take what is useful, regardless of "tradition" (which is usually considered a four letter word here in the states) and pull it out and turn it to our benifit. It's what our society is based on. The ATA seems to have taken useful parts of other martial arts and tried to make a "complete, modern" martial art. This might offend some "purists" but is really good business. It sounds like it's the "T" that is the issue however. Taekwondo. Hmmm. Is ATA "Taekwondo" if they blend so many other martial arts in to it? Guess that depends on what side of "Taekwondo" you stand on. To be perfectly honest, in my mind "I study Taekwondo" doesn't say a thing about a martial artist. It's like someone saying "I am a student." There are so many people saying what they are doing is Taekwondo that it has lost it's lexical definition. The word itself means different things to differnt people. But if the ATA turns out shining examples of martial artists and they are calling themselves Taekwondoin then more power to them! We need all the good publicity we can get! However, if they are turning out terrible martial artists then down with the regime! (that's a joke guys, stay calm, just kidding). But the "A" is probably also the reason you haven't seen those dojangs in the Motherland. (Of course, remeber, we are Americans, and you will probably see us ignore that letter too!) Greg Giddins ggiddins@ossinc.net You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding. ~ They Might Be Giants ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:15:33 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: New to the list Hello everyone. I am new to the list and I hope by sending out this message, I will be able to get on the list. I have been trying to send out the subscription message for about a week now. Let me start off by letting people know that I, along with fellow martial artists, are planning to do a gathering in the year 2000 or 2001. This is a gathering a martial artists who will come together to exchange techniques, philosophies, and ideas about martial arts. We will are currently looking for people who may be interested in attending such an event and people who may be interested in conducting seminars. How it works, is that we would break people up into ranks and the seminar conductors will travel around to each group and perform a 20-30 minute seminar per group. If possible we need history information as well as references that we could check. If you have pricing on what it would cost to do a seminar please add that as well. We are looking for pricing for seminar only. Since we are the beginning stages of putting together the seminar, we will not have location and date as of yet. We will consider flight and accomodations later. We do know that it will be in the Chicagoland area. If you have someone who you would like to see, please let us know and we will look into trying to get that person to teach. Thanks. You can email me at JeremyT@www.atfi.com. Best regards, Jeremy M. Talbott ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 12:12:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: New to the list > know and we will look into trying to get that person to teach. > Thanks. You can email me at JeremyT@www.atfi.com. > > Best regards, > > Jeremy M. Talbott I think your e-mail address is actually JeremyT@atfi.com. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 12:44:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: TAKE A LOOK > Hi folks. OK...for those of you that missed it....take a look at this and then post your comments: > > http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Pagoda/9536/chang.html Dear GrandMidnightBlueMaster Hancock, Hey, you're a surprizingly good writer. Who woulda guessed.?. :) Good job! Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 12:44:16 PST Subject: the_dojang: Weapons - Beginning at What Age? More and more I see magazines similar to BlackBelt including in the middle of the magazine, a special kids section with articles and coloring books. On the next page are ads for some serious weapons and assorted other goodies. So at what age do you recommend or do you begin teaching children the use of weapons (knives, guns, sticks, etc.). Jamaica ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: John Hancock <4karate@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 16:54:24 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Aloha Han Guk!!! - --------------728D0E87F8452F1A1A094803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: Stan Lim > Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:02:39 -0800 > Subject: the_dojang: Korean Business Customs? > Mr. Terry and Mr. Hancock, > Thanks for the tips on Korean business etiquette. > I hope I get a chance to see a few places and perhaps buy > a new uniform or two. I'll only be there for two days, so > I probably won't be able to have anything custom made. > Kamsahamnida, > Stan > ------------------------------ Stan....you never told me what city you would be visiting in Korea. I'm going to assume Seoul. There is a Digest member there already you might want to hook up with in the evening who can save you some wasted time hunting down something or just getting directions to something. He is Michael Pederson. He can be reached at : Michael Pederson I suggest you get a Taekyon-bok while you are there (there REAL korean style uniform). Mr. Pederson can direct you straight to the place to get one. He got one for me and mailed it to me here in the U.S. (what a guy!!). And surely you can squeeze in a trip to see the Kuk Ki Won. Do it after work one evening. Don't miss an opportunity here. Yeah....I know that isn't why you are going there....but try to squeeze it in. Hey..there is an excellent book about interacting in Korean Culture called: Culture Shock: Korea by Sonja Vegdahl Hur and Ben Seunghwa Hur, published by Graphic Arts Center Publishing Company, Portland, Oregon. You can usually buy a copy off the shelf at any major bookseller (Barnes & Noble, Books-a-Million, Waldens Books, etc.) and it can be found in the Foriegn Travel sections. Get a copy...it will answer a lot of your questions...and it is a GREAT reference about Korean culture and customs. You will find the info invaluable just as a practitioner of Korean martial arts. Well...happy trails. Don't take any wooden won! HEHEHEH. John Hancock - --------------728D0E87F8452F1A1A094803 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
From: Stan Lim <slim@employees.org>
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:02:39 -0800
Subject: the_dojang: Korean Business Customs?
Mr. Terry and Mr. Hancock,
Thanks for the tips on Korean business etiquette.
I hope I get a chance to see a few places and perhaps buy
a new uniform or two.  I'll only be there for two days, so
I probably won't be able to have anything custom made.
Kamsahamnida,
Stan
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Stan....you never told me what city you would be visiting in Korea.  I'm going to assume Seoul.  There is a Digest member there already you might want to hook up with in the evening who can save you some wasted time hunting down something or just getting directions to something.  He is Michael Pederson.  He can be reached at :  Michael Pederson <mpeder@ibm.net>
I suggest you get a Taekyon-bok while you are there (there REAL korean style uniform).  Mr. Pederson can direct you straight to the place to get one.  He got one for me and mailed it to me here in the U.S.  (what a guy!!).  And surely you can squeeze in a trip to see the Kuk Ki Won.  Do it after work one evening.  Don't miss an opportunity here.  Yeah....I know that isn't why you are going there....but try to squeeze it in.  Hey..there is an excellent book about interacting in Korean Culture called:  Culture Shock: Korea by Sonja Vegdahl Hur and Ben Seunghwa Hur, published by Graphic Arts Center Publishing Company, Portland, Oregon.  You can usually buy a copy off the shelf at any major bookseller (Barnes & Noble, Books-a-Million, Waldens Books, etc.) and it can be found in the Foriegn Travel sections.  Get a copy...it will answer a lot of your questions...and it is a GREAT reference about Korean culture and customs.  You will find the info invaluable just as a practitioner of Korean martial arts.

Well...happy trails.  Don't take any wooden won!  HEHEHEH.

John Hancock
  - --------------728D0E87F8452F1A1A094803-- ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:05:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: Aloha Han Guk!!! > Stan....you never told me what city you would be visiting in Korea. I'm > going to assume Seoul. There is a Digest Stan mentioned Seoul in his initial question to the list. Bad-boy, you're sending HTML to the list again... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Paul Rogers Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 17:13:16 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #7 >>>>While I find much of the above laudable, the problem in it that I see is >that the ATA is trying to be all things to all people: (Korean) >TaeKwon-Do... with newly-invented forms, Filipino weapons, Japanese >weapons, Brazilian ground fighting, aerobics, Chinese Tai Chi... does this >not sound like a problem? It can be a problem if not handles correctly, but I think ATA is doing a good job of gradually introducing new "things" to the org. By that it seems like I've seen about 2-3 formal programs introduced every year.<<< My concern is about only learning a little bit about a given "option" and not having enough time to practice it to proficiency. My school owner took a seminar with Royce Gracie to become "certified" to teach the ground fighting course. I'm not sure if he took other seminars, but he has been teaching the ATA seminars for years, apparently, and he seems fairly good to me. Maybe not BJJ black belt quality, but certainly good enough to go to the ground if that should be required. I don't think the variety presents any more/less of a problem than other martial arts. I wonder if Bruce Lee would applaud the effort, since it seems in line with his Jeet Kune Do philosphy. When I think of all the stuff I want to learn that offered in the ATA, in addition to my Tai Chi training (which branches to bagua, hsing-i, sword, spear, and staff), my biggest problem is figuring out how to practice all of 'em...! I need to win the Lotto...8?) Paul Rogers, Round Rock, TX ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:23:38 PST Subject: the_dojang: Color of the Month.... As we're talking about camo colored belts which I didn't know about I now wonder what the color of preference is for uniforms. Are black and white still the norm??? Times are changing and actually I'm very serious about this question. Seems there are many flavors out there including the USA red white and blue. At tournaments do you get to wear any color uniform that you want or is it traditional. I'm from the old school folks. White or black... Jamaica ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Chuck Sears Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 17:31:34 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #7 > > > From: > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:48:35 -0800 (PST) > Subject: the_dojang: ATA > > I talked to my ATA instructor friend about the concerns he had with the > ATA. As I expected it was $$ and politics, something most any MA org is > going to have problems with. > > When an instructor has students that advance to become an instructor and then > branch out to form their own ATA school, the original instructor is supposed > to get $$ from the ATA. Apparently that wasn't happening and so the original > instructor was going to pull out of the ATA taking with him all the > instructors/schools under him. > > Who knows the complete story??? Perhaps the ATA didn't pay for a good > reason. Just wanted to complete the circle since I had opened my big mouth... > I think my original comment was wrt to quality control and this would appear > to have nothing to do with quality control. Sorry... > Well, the way it's supposed to be is this: If you, as an instructor, develop a student through the instructor certification process and that new instructor then opens a school of their own, you are supposed to receive a "seniority" fee based upon the number and rank of the students testing at the new school. This seniority fee is incorporated into the testing fees paid by the students and is forwarded to you by Grand Master Lee and ATA Headquarters. Why your friend didn't get the fees, I don't know. I've been the "senior" for two schools and have received the fees for both on a regular basis. However, the seniority fee is not very large. It's supposed to be a rememberance, a token of respect to the person who made it possible for you to be an instructor. It doesn't get to be a large amount of money unless you have developed a whole bunch of instructors who are now running schools of their own with lots of students in them. ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:55:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #8 ****************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. 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