From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #10 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 8 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 010 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: Kids and Weapons the_dojang: Re: magazines the_dojang: Hotheads, Tweeks or Strong and Centered the_dojang: Loyalty the_dojang: re dojang v6#8 the_dojang: Re Magazine the_dojang: RE: weapons to kids the_dojang: Teaching weapons to kids the_dojang: Amway Taekwondo Association Re: the_dojang: RE: Kids and Weapons the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Giddins Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:01:12 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Kids and Weapons John's absurd post aside, really, when do you weapons instructors start kids on them? I don't teach weapons, not because of some philosophical objection, but because I don't know enough to teach, haa haa. But I would love to, if I could ever find the time to study them myself. Any guidelines that you have put in place for when to start teaching, and HOW to start teaching the young'ens? I shudder to imagine a six year old whipping around a four foot stick... Greg Giddins ggiddins@ossinc.net You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding. ~ They Might Be Giants ------------------------------ From: Brian Karas Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:26:55 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: magazines >Hi all and Happy new year: >What magazines are available for martial artists other than black belt? Is >there one for Tang Soo Do? >Tang Soo! >Allison >4th gup, International Tang Soo Do > There are quite a few out there. Two that come to mind are Inside Karate and Taekwondo Times. Brian ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 12:03:10 PST Subject: the_dojang: Hotheads, Tweeks or Strong and Centered In the controlled sparring environment of your dojang or tournaments you attend I would like some discussion on what qualities and what types of students you find make the best competitor/fighter. Is it a hothead that perhaps you have been successful in redirecting their energies, a tweeky blackbelt that you've been able to summon up unhidden powers or the continued strong and centered athlete that continues to improve their skills. Have you witnessed any advantages or disadvantages to the different personality styles? Are some harder to train?? Jamaica ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 12:31:54 PST Subject: the_dojang: Loyalty Over time there have been quite a few threads on old school vs new school, east vs west, loyalty and Americans, etc. I apologize for the length of this post but I came across this article by Prichett and Pound's Handbook for Managers and wanted to share it with you for your own thoughts and considerations.............. Be wary of people who take pride in being "loyal" employees. Loyalty is a treacherous thing in a world of rapid change. You need to examine the object of people's loyalty. Analyze their actions as well as their motives. Then determine whether this is the kind of "virtue" the organization can afford. Loyalty to the organization has value, assuming it gets demonstrated in the proper manner. Loyalty to the culture, on the other hand, can present a variety of serious problems. Many companies are in trouble because people are defending an outdated culture instead of looking out for the organization itself. They're not changing their values, priorities, beliefs, and behaviors in order to make the outfit stronger and more competitive for these changing times. Instead, they're busy trying to perpetuate a culture that's killing the company. Some employees are innocent at heart. They become company traitors by default, letting thier commitment to the old culture blind them to the desperate need for change. These are the people whose hero worship has them emulatin gold role models that are wrong for today. The accidental traitors haven't realized that some of the traditions and values they still hold precious now interfere. By not uncoupling from old, established cultural habits in how business gets carried out, they've become enemies of the organization. Other so-called loyalists are not go guileless. They use loyalty as a coverup for more devious, self-serving acts. It shouldn't come as a surprise. "I'm only being loyal to the culture" makes a great hiding place for resistance to change. People who feel threatened, or those who clearly stand to lose in all the upheavel, don't mind fighting a little dirty to keep things they way they are. These are the deliberate traitors. Sometimes you have a tough time distinguishing between the two types of loyalists. It helps if you can, though, because they deserve different treatment. The accidental traitors might be turned by education or persuasion. But you handle the deliberate traitors best by first exposing their behavior for what it is, and then drawing a line in the sand. Make it clear that if they step over that line with more of their manipulative behavior, they will feel the sting of sanctions. Then make your words sticks. The bottom line on all this, of course, is that loyalty isn't everything it's been cracked up to be. You're better with aloyalty to the culture, because it needs to be a moving target, constantly changing to keep up with the outside world. Jamaica ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Eduardo Miranda Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 19:16:54 -0200 Subject: the_dojang: re dojang v6#8 > Take what is useful, regardless of > "tradition" (which is usually considered a four letter word here in the > states) > > The ATA seems to have taken useful parts of other martial arts > and tried to make a "complete, modern" martial art. > When someone look for a martial art he is usually looking for tradition also, not only workout and self-defense. If you don't train wishing to reach a higher level as humam being you're not a martial artist, you a only a figther. If is that you guys are looking for (I sincerely doubt) you better stop using "DO" in your name, because this is a way to nowhere. It seems to me you shaking the devils hand to often. Mr. Hancock has said it all: A is for Amway. Eduardo Miranda ------------------------------ From: Eduardo Miranda Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 19:19:04 -0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re Magazine - --------------9625DE4C95F8336FFAE319CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > hat magazines are available for martial artists other than black belt? Is > there one for Tang Soo Do? > Take a look at TaeKwonDo Times, is a pretty good mag about korean martial arts web site is: www.taekwondotimes.com - --------------9625DE4C95F8336FFAE319CD Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
hat magazines are available for martial artists other than black belt? Is
there one for Tang Soo Do?
  Take a look at TaeKwonDo Times, is a pretty good mag about korean martial arts
web site is: www.taekwondotimes.com - --------------9625DE4C95F8336FFAE319CD-- ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:21:50 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: RE: weapons to kids >>but ICBM's are out of the question before age 21. So what does everybody else do in their schools? << ICBM's are mandatory when graduating from junior black belt to black belt status. Chemical weapons and other weapons of mass destruction are encouraged. Teach weapons at the appropriate time, when you have mastered empty hand techniques. No, I don't believe in teaching weapons early on. ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:30:46 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Teaching weapons to kids >More and more I see magazines similar to BlackBelt including in the middle of the magazine, a special kids section with articles and coloring books. On the next page are ads for some serious weapons and assorted other goodies. So at what age do you recommend or do you begin teaching children the use of weapons (knives, guns, sticks, etc.). Jamaica< I have been to many tournaments where I see kids do weapon forms. I have often asked myself if they truly understand what they are doing or do they just do the moves, collect the reward and move on. It is hard to determine when to teach a child weapons. When my son matures more (he's only 4 now) I will probably start at age 10. However this would only be weapons such as arnis sticks and bo. These, in my opinoin, are practical weapons. (i.e. you can pick up a stick almost anywhere.) As he gets older, I will introduce other, bladed, weapons such as sword and knife. That was a very good question Jamaica. Jeremy ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:16:12 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Amway Taekwondo Association >.Hmmm.....I never knew ATA stood for "Amway Taekwondo Association". John Hancock (Pokin' Fun at Everyone) :-P < I'm part of an Amway group, and I thought that was quite amusing. I'll be sure to show them that posting we'll all get a good laugh. Jeremy ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:10:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: RE: Kids and Weapons > I don't teach weapons, not because of some philosophical objection, but > because I don't know enough to teach, haa haa. But I would love to, if I > could ever find the time to study them myself. > Any guidelines that you have put in place for when to start teaching, and > HOW to start teaching the young'ens? > > I shudder to imagine a six year old whipping around a four foot stick... I saw a seven year old do an excellent Bo form. He consistently won or placed in the weapons forms area. Many integrate some weapons directly into the cirriculum. Others may just hold special class sessions so the parent can keep their kids away from those classes. As for firearms, the only thing I would teach to younger kids is the basic NRA Eddie Eagle program; If you see a gun, Stop!, Don't touch, Leave the room, Tell an adult. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:13:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #10 ******************************* Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, California Taekwondo Standard disclaimers apply.