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The_Dojang-Digest             Mon, 11 Jan 1999          Vol 06 : Num 015

In this issue:

       the_dojang: Re: Condolences
       the_dojang: Tragedy
       the_dojang: wrong?
       the_dojang: Re:   Hancock's latest publishing feat (feet?)
       the_dojang: Re:    too controlled
       the_dojang: Tragedy, how did it happen?
       the_dojang: Spirit & Tradition
       the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #11
       the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #12
       the_dojang: .
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From: "SylverEyes, Perky Death Goddess of Alternate Reality(Crackland)" <sylvereyes@geocities.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:58:56 -0500
Subject: the_dojang: Re: Condolences

I'm deeply saddened to hear of this news... my condolences. 

What about his opponent? How is he feeling?

I can't imagine what it must be like for him to go on with his life
knowing he accidentally killed someone in a tournament. 

Christ. 

>Perhaps it has come to pass that we, as humans, do not feel the pain >unless it directly effects us.  We have numbed by the many deaths  and >violence around us that one more death is nothing new.  

    It's true... so many people just don't care anymore... I think
sometimes I'm just over-sensitive, I still feel sad when I read the
newspaper. It's depressing to see all this insane violence on tv and not
care. I remember, just before my dojang closed for the holidays I was
informed that one of my friends there was away because her father had
killed her mother, then tried to kill herself. Great news for the
holidays. My instructor and several of us from the dojang went to the
funeral, and I think my friend was rather surprised and touched to see
us..

    Okay, I forgot what my point was. But it's true. As a TKD community
we should show our support. It's always an appreciated gesture.

Syl

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From: 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:27:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: the_dojang: Tragedy

> I did ask the USTU if there is an address for people to send cards. I was told
> that if u send them to the USTU, they will forward them to the Danish Team. I
> think this is a nice gesture to show the Danish Team that we are all family
> in TKD.

Just wanted to resend this important part.  The address of the USTU is:

US Taekwondo Union
1 Olympic Plaza
Ste 405
Colorado Spgs, Colorado
80909


Ray Terry
raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com

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From: "John Groff" <jgroff1@san.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:30:06 -0800
Subject: the_dojang: wrong?

<<I go to church to learn how to become a better person.

<<Is that wrong?

If -you- know that you -need- to attend church to be a better person, and
you are happy doing this, why ask others if you're wrong?


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From: 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:12:45 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re:   Hancock's latest publishing feat (feet?)

Congrats Master Hancock on your article to be pubished.  
Peter M.

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From: 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:23:13 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re:    too controlled

Graham:
In a message dated 1/11/99 6:19:39 PM, you wrote:

<<The student does all her techniques very well except that their is no
explosive force in them.>>

Is this student an adult or child?  Do you use hand-targets?  If so, for my
adult students, I ask them to image the target as the face of some attacking
their child or other family member.  In my  kids class, I ask them "how hard
can you hit your sister/brother?"  To which they properly reply that they can
not (or else they are out of my program).  I then ask "How hard can you hit
the targets?" To which they properly reply,  "As hard as I want!"

Hitting things just feels good!  A great stress-reliever.

Peter M.

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From: Mark Herrick <whtlotus@nichiren.org>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:28:34 -0800
Subject: the_dojang: Tragedy, how did it happen?

All,

I read the news with shock, dismay and distress.  I am deeply saddened for the man and his family.  I plan on holding a ceremony to honor his
passing and pray for his family.

I am very interested to learn more details on how this tragic incident happened.  Can anyone please supply more detail? What kind of kick and
where did it land?

I personally have decided not to spar in competition again unless I wear a full face shield.  I have witnessed aleast one serious injury at
EVERY competition I have seen; broken nose, unconsciousness, broken jaw, teeth, etc.  This is nuts! I believe we should all pause to consider
the implications of full contact sparring to the head.  Certainly its not allowed for kids and color belts, but it is allowed for BB adults.

I strongly believe we should upgrade our equipment.  Perhaps a helmet more akin to a footbal helmet would offer better protection?   There was
a time when hockey players spurned the use of helmtes and shields.  A time when foot ball players only wore leather.

May the light of the Buddha shine on this young man and guide him to the next life safely and speedily.

Namu Myoho Renge Kyo, Namu Myoho Renge Kyo, Namu Myoho Renge.

Mark Herrick
1st Dan


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From: "John Groff" <jgroff1@san.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:25:42 -0800
Subject: the_dojang: Spirit & Tradition

<<I don't really know what the "TKD spirit" is, but my impression is
<<that TKD was sythesized from other arts back in the 1950's.

The so-called "martial spirit" we see today seems to be a combination of
overly formal militaristic discipline, and common sense ideals.  The ideals
help socialize the martial artist, suggesting personal goals, good
character, and ingraining the idea that the "art" is not to be misused. 
All "ideals" (Hwarang O-kwae, TKD Tennants, Soo Bahk Do Requirements &
Emphasis, etc.) tend to be similar regardless of the organization or nation
of origin.  As for the formal militarism, it kindles the following
recollection. . .

I am reminded of something I read years back in a psychology book, which
mentioned 3 different types of parenting models.  One is the
"Authoritarian" model, the parent who is very controlling of the child,
meting out strict discipline in an unbending and uncompromising manner. 
Then there was the "Permissive" parent, whose offspring can pretty well
have their way without guidance, whether due to the parents inability to
stand up to 'em, or simple lack of caring, who knows.  A third model was
labeled "Authoritative", and described an individual(s) who can balance
leniency with discipline.  I've come to apply these terms to teachers,
including m.a. instructors.  'Course the definitions aren't exactly the
same, so bear with me, & -please- add your own thoughts on these:

Authoritarian Instructor -- Strict discipline for even slight mistakes,
occasional physical discipline (whacks w/ shinai, etc.).  Will not hesitate
to yell, (or sometimes even scream) at students.  Very militaristic in that
regardless of how well -you- may be doing, if a few members of the class
seem to be lagging, everyone's going to be doin' pushups!  After all, an
army is only as good as its weakest soldier. . .right?  The authoritarian
instructor has positive points as well.  S/he tends to be an incredible
physical technician and possess deep knowledge of the specific style's
syllabus.  Style wise, many Authoritarian types tend to be "true
believers", remaining with one teacher/system for life, but occasionally
splitting off to start their own organization (but rarely their own style)
because their original organization/style/teacher "wasn't traditional
enough".  Of the students, absolute loyalty is always expected.  Unruly
children (esp. those with permissive parents) tend to benefit from
authoritarian instructors, and many ex-military & police personnel are
comfortable in this atmosphere.  People who have escaped from
abusive/controlling relationships, or don't do well with "type A"
personality types should probably steer clear.  

Authoritative Instructors -- Authoritative teachers are no less likely than
Authoritarian teachers to lead physical classes, although you'll rarely if
ever find them yelling at an individual or the class.  Authoritatives tend
to offer upbeat encouragement to specific individuals who seem to be
lagging, offering gentle correction.  Somewhat more open minded than
Authoritarians, "traditional" style authoritatives do not necessarily
neglect technical details or customs.  Authoritatives are more likely than
any other sort of teacher to be skillfully proficient in more than one
martial art. Open to new ideas.  When an authoritative splits off to form
her/his own organization/style, it's often --but not necessarily-- a blend
of different styles, since authoritatives are more likely to be less ridged
and formal, and don't see anything wrong with for instance, creating a
single syllabus of everything s/he knows about hapkido together with
everything s/he knows about tae kwon do and teaching them together as a
single art.  Self conscious teens (i.e. right around puberty, start of h.s
yrs.) do extremely well with authoritatives, and just about anyone will
probably feel comfortable in the authoritative's class.

Permissive Instructors -- These really fall into two types.  The first is
the person who teaches for one reason only--to make a living.  There is
rarely any polish to the technique, and students who lag behind are often
simply left behind.  The worst of these, thankfully very rare, promote
based on time in grade and fees, with hardly a note to actual ability.  The
second sort of sincere permissive teacher I've seen is neither lacking in
heart or lazy, but simply happens to have a very free spirit, and believes
that for the student to truly succeed, s/he must already have the self
discipline necessary to learn. This permissive type had a high level of
technical skill, and will teach you as much as you are eager to learn. 
Tolerant of differences & open to new ideas.  This type of permissive
instructor often teaches out of a personal gym (read: converted garage or
room in house), or a community center, since s/he either doesn't see the
art as a commercail commodity, or cannot keep a storefront open.  These
sincere permissives are one with their art, but generally lack business
sense.  Usually people who have studied another art for several years
(already possessing a foundation) will thrive under a permissive teacher of
this calibre.  Since classes are generally small, beginners may not feel
comfortable.  Children are usually better off building a foundation with an
authoritarian or authoritative.

There--you have it, generalizations and all.  As I wrote before, input is
appreciated--especially if you are a teacher too (of any sort), or have a
background in soc/psychology.  

C.J.


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From: dragon102@juno.com (Aaron J Woodburn)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:31:15 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #11

Eduardo Miranda wrote: "If you don't train wishing to reach a higher
level as humam being you're not a martial artist, you a only a
figther."

I don't want to be an artist.

I train to be an effective fighter.

I go to church to learn how to become a better person.

Is that wrong?
___________________________________________________________________________
There is absolutely nothing wrong with training to become a more
effective fighter, just realize that you sometimes can't help but to
become an artist in the process.  To take full advantage of martial arts
training you must, in the words of Bruce Lee, "empty your cup" and leave
your mind open to all that martial arts has to offer.  You can slice and
dice somthing to your heart's content but take a minut to see what the
whole offers.
- -AJ Woodburn 
2nd Dan TSD

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From: dragon102@juno.com (Aaron J Woodburn)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:31:15 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #12

From: "Graham Hills" <graham@pacific.co.za>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:04:37 +0200
Subject: the_dojang: Too controlled in kicks

I am hoping someone on the list can suggest some drills to help a
student.
The student does all her techniques very well except that their is no
explosive force in them. They are performed as if they were dance moves.
I
have tried many things and am unable to change this manner.

_______________________________________________________________-

I'm sure you don't know me, I'm a 2nd Dan in TSD, but fighting is one of
my strong points.
I dont know what you've tried so I'll start with the basics, don't think
it's an insult to your techniques.

first of all there is no such thing as an "overly controlled" technique,
power is derrived from control and balance as well as correct execution. 

stress that her upper body remain upright and her waist do all the
Counter twisting so as to keep her balance.
the KiHap is also very important in explosive power application, make
sure she KiHaps at the impact point.
for kicks lead with the kicking hip and stress full extention
for Mahki techniques, stress waist twisting and full extention, make sure
her elbow moves so her shoulder isnt doing all the work.

clapper pads also help, teach her the good clap sound and let her train
her kick like only she can.

sorry I couldnt be more help
AJ Woodburn
2nd Dan TSD 

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:53:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: the_dojang: .


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