From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #24 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thurs, 14 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 024 In this issue: the_dojang: hapkido in mittens the_dojang: RE: Assistant instructors the_dojang: DON'T MOVE THEM the_dojang: Aloha Online Updates! (fwd) the_dojang: Tournament Rules the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #23 the_dojang: Weighted vests and shorts the_dojang: Re:Adaquate Emergency Medical Support at Tournaments the_dojang: Manslaughter the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! 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Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:38:40 PST Subject: the_dojang: hapkido in mittens Although I don't do direct martial arts activites in the winter in the snow and slush and ice and cold and wind; I do a number of other activities which help my strength, coordination, and ability to maneuver in this environment which would definitely give me the edge over somone else less prepared. By working outdoors I also become more acclimated to the weather so my overall tolerance and resistance is higher. Some of these activities are orienteering with snowboots on, road marching with snowboots and heavy backpacks, snow shoeing, and rappelling. I refrain from the polar bear activities of jumping in the icy waters and I keep my snowmobile and four wheelner handy for fast get aways and fun. Jamaica ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Greg Giddins Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:33:51 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Assistant instructors Greg wrote: >> Something happened in our adult class yesterday that kind of leaves me >> wondering... >Greg, it seems to me that the instructor in your class has never discussed >this situation with his assistants. In my opinion the instructor should >have been aware that no one had taken charge. Your instructor should of >then told one of the assistants to take over the class. I have that feeling also. There was a breakdown in communication between Master and Assistants. So, in order to clear things up: Does your instructor (or you, if you are the instructor, pardon my assumption) have rules set in place to deal with some situations like these? Is there maybe an "instructors class" or some seminars for instructors that he/she/you put on for the instructors? Maybe an "instructors manual"? Or do your assistants just pick up the rules as they go along? I would imagine, as soon as procedures are put in place, the lower belts would see and figure out the duties of the assistants, so that when they reach that level they will have a good idea of what is expected of them. But that can't happen until some good role models are put in place. Any details of how your schools "train" their budding instructors would be appreciated! Greg Giddins ggiddins@ossinc.net You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding. ~ They Might Be Giants ------------------------------ From: "John Bennett" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 04:35:23 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: DON'T MOVE THEM The tragic death of USTU competitor Michael Strube reminded me of a problem that I've seen too often in sport injury situations. That problem is: the bystanders / coaches try to move the victim. What Eric Mueller wrote was very important: "If someone takes a head shot YOU MUST ASSUME THEY HAVE Cervical Spine Damage (A broken Neck). DO NOT MOVE THEM AT ALL. If they are not breathing there are ways to immobilize the neck while performing rescue breathing (TAKE CPR!). You could literally kill someone or cause irreversible paralysis by moving them." Perhaps the worst examples I've seen of this are when referees try to perform "shiatsu" restorative techniques on a downed competitor. Again, don't move the victim until they are conscious, responsive, and you are reasonably sure they don't have spine damage. John Bennett ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:56:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Aloha Online Updates! (fwd) Forwarding. Ray - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Aloha! TOURNAMENTS & SEMINARS! Bill "Superfoot" Wallace Seminars! 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Frankly the latter is much more frightening and my deepest prayers and empathy goes out to his parents and family. I believe we can all agree that we practice a martial art/sport and that there are inherent dangers associated with it. I also believe we can all agree that discussion and analysis regarding proceedures and techniques to minimize those risks are valuable and worthwhile endeavors. I have several threads I would like to throw out to the List for discussion: 1) Improved Safety Equipment. (Again there is no way short of not competing to prevent every possible injury). However, technology has significantly improved with new materials that we probably could build a better helmet. There was a time when no one wore helemts, until anotehr tragic death in Florida resulted in the mandated use of the current foam helmet. I would suggest a helmet with a hard shell and inner liner with those gel filled inserts that footbal players and fighter pilots wear. The current helmet the airforce waers gives maximum protection but is extremely light weight due the great gee forces the pilots expereince. I think its crazy not to use technology if it is available. 2) Rationalize the Scoring Rules The discussion has been about what is "Trembling Shock," and "displacement." There was a time when judges scored points for punches. It is now almost impossible to score with a punch. I have also witnessed a trend away from scoring body kicks. It seems that the only way to score a clear point is a head kick. The rules are encouraging aggressive forceful head kicks. And, look at the ProTKD event where they added the rule that a competitor had to kick every six seconds. It would be naive of all us not to think that these "enhancements " will eventually spill over to WTF and Olympic Sparring; TV, the media and advertising dollars are a powerful force. Look at Fencing. Do you have to actually penetrate the body to score a point? No, of course not. Again technology could help here. Hogus with sensors built in to gauge force and electronically signal a hit would be very easy to manufacture if the will of the WTF was there. I believe this would improve the sport and make it safer. Going back to scoring punches and body kicks would make competitors better more well rounded fighters. Two ideas to make our sport safer. Would it prevent every posible injury? No. But anything conrete we can do to HELP reduce injury is a good thing. The only way the WTF will change is if we insist on it. Keep those cards and letter flowing. Regards, Mark Herrick 1st Dan, WTF whtlotus@nichiren.org ------------------------------ From: Sirajuddin Ahmed Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:36:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #23 > With respect to hook kicks, I teach our students, for the purpose of friendly > competition in the dojang, to point their toes straight out (a la round kick). > This has the dual effect of (i) extending the reach by 6 inches or more and > (ii) making the contact more of a slap than a heel strike. Does anyone else > out there do this? I do warn our competitors however that they cannot count > Kurt Rommel > tkdkurt@aol.com > McLean Virginia, USA Yes, at our studio (in Shrewsbury, MA), we always throw hook kicks with our foot straight- for safety reasons. Also, we are cautioned against using back-hook kicks unless we can demonstrate control. The foot-straight technique is useful for axe kicks as well, so that the point is scored but no one is hurt. Siraj ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:10:08 PST Subject: the_dojang: Weighted vests and shorts I just started using/experimenting with weighted shorts and vests. The shorts are supposed to strengthen hip abduction, increase hip flexor strength, leg thrust power and stride. The vest is of course for the upper body. Just wondering if anybody else uses this apparel and what they think about it. Jamaica ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: dragon102@juno.com (Aaron J Woodburn) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:48:18 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re:Adaquate Emergency Medical Support at Tournaments Eric, I totally agree, and speaking for my Kwan Chang Nim, I'll say he does too. At our annual tournament in April in NJ we always have at least two certified LPN's available, as well as various emergency medical equipment just in case, God forbid, someone should get seriously injured. Also, a good percentage of the Adult Blackbelts in our organization, and if I'm not mistaken, ALL of our Masters are CPR certified. I myself am certified and I know that we hold at least two CPR certification courses in the main school free of charge to members of the Black Belt Club (Adult BB's). We also have an annual summer camp in which we instruct children in emergency thinking and response. I urge all organizations to create some sort of similar (or even better) system at their tournaments as well as their schools Aaron James Woodburn Dragon102@juno.com 2nd Dan, TSD ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ From: John Hancock <4karate@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:13:57 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Manslaughter First...I have to agree with Ray again. Continuing to dredge up the details of the recent fatalaty does not serve anyone it appears. You'll notice...I tended to stay out of this one. My comments have been more toward the idea of working for better design on our safety equipment. But I have seem repeatedly comments that have insinuated that Mr. Strobe's opponent somehow was CRIMINAL in his actions. Please, Please folks....get off this subject. Don't you realize this kind of monday morning quarterbacking serves no purpose and only increases the trauma that comes from such a tragic event as this. Now...before I tune out again...let me give you people some info concerning the legality of this incident. There was no crime here...and implying that the fatality was the result of some intent is insideous! Do you really think anyone goes into a competition with the INTENT to cause someone else's death?! This is absurd. It was an ACCIDENT. You can't even call it Manslaughter. You assume because the causactive technique was one that is virtually impossible to control..the opponent was somehow reckless or wanton in his actions? Please! This exact type of brain trauma could have come from a round kick, a hook kick, a side kick or a crecent kick! There are just too many factors involved and pointing fingers to exact a pound of flesh doesn't negate the reality of the event. It was a COMPETITION. There was no CRIMINAL INTENT. IT WAS SIMPLY THE RISK INVOLVED IN THE SPORT! Period. Does anyone here ever follow any equestrian events? Ever hear of Mr. Reeves (aka superman)? He's a quadrapalegic now because of a fall incurred during a jump. Was the horse criminal because he threw his rider? Absurd! Can this type of thing happen again to anyone who engages in the sport? SURE! Is there a high probability it will happen to someone else again? NO...but it is like the statement that about 4 million years ago a rock fell out of the sky and wiped out the dominant species on this planet. It happenned before...it CAN happen again. You can slip coming out of your house in the winter and break your neck. There! You're dead now. SO I guess God had criminal intent because he made WEATHER! PLease! Lets just let it rest...move on. If we must discuss something...let it be how to change the rules of the competition or how to improve the equipment. No more arguments over Martial Art vs Martial Sport...or who did what when. SHIT HAPPENS!! If you want protection against injury in this type of sport....buy INSURANCE (you'll pay through the nose...but there it is). Ray...I'm sorry this issue has blown up the Digest the way it has the past couple of weeks. I'm especially sorry for the way you've been attacked. BUt I just couldn't stand to see folks pointing an accusatory finger at the poor fellow whose spinning kick just happenned to be the precipatory action in this tragedy. So let me say it for the final time for all the Digest members out there. THERE WAS NO CRIME HERE! Stop trying to look for one. John Hancock ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:39:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #24 ******************************* Support the USTU by joining today! 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