From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #26 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 15 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 026 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: CPR/Medic First-Aid certification the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #25 the_dojang: Blame? the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #24 the_dojang: RE: Who's fighting who? the_dojang: Where's Waldo? the_dojang: legality and the good samaritan the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Karas Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:35:13 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: CPR/Medic First-Aid certification >wrt keeping one's certification active, what exactly is required? > >I usually go through the Medic First-Aid two-day class every few years >which probably means the years that I don't I am not certified. Is that >correct? Are you supposed to attend the two-day class every year or is >there a shorter refresher class to attend once you've attended the two-day >class? > I thought that first aid certification was good for three years. Brian ------------------------------ From: Greg Giddins Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:34:26 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #25 > I would agree with you Greg but perhaps the issue is not with the > blackbelts but with the instructor. You mentioned you were a newer > member of the class so perhaps all of the unwritten rules have not been > made apparent to you. The > instructor may be giving off strong messages to his/her students that it > his their class. It may also be gender oriented. Perhaps it's okay for > the male blackbelts to assume control but not the females or vice versa. I see your point, but I wish it were the case! Haa haa. The rules governing instruction seem to be lacking, both written and unwritten, as my stepping up has brought to the surface. I was complimented on my actions by the instructor, and was encouraged to continue that type of behavior. Surely there are schools like that, and I think if that were the case here I would have picked up on some negative vibes, instead of enouragement. It really seems like just a lack of initiative by the other blackbelts, most likely due to confusion as to their "role" in a crisis. That still leaves a question open: Do any of you have in-school "instructor training" sessions, meetings, handbooks, classes? Or is it just as Jamaica said-- unwritten codes of behaviour that are supposed to be understood? Greg Giddins ggiddins@ossinc.net You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding. ~ They Might Be Giants ------------------------------ From: "Sara" Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:24:36 PST Subject: the_dojang: Blame? In the last few posts that I've read concerning the tragic death of Michael Strube, multiple people have said "Let's quit blaming people." I agree. We should learn from this and not try to point fingers at people or become bitter in any way. My question is this: Who has blamed anyone for this death? I personally have not read a single word over the past couple of days that even insinuates blame towards a person or even an organization for the death. The talk of responsibility is a positive outcome of discussing such things, not an effort to blame someone. Am I missing something here? one_sara@hotmail.com "The Lord is my light and my salvation. Whom shall I fear?" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:44:33 PST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #24 It sounds like the game I have on my PSX, how is it called again? Oh yeah Tomb Raider...you know the beuatiful, lovely Lara Croft. :) Stephan ====================================== Too funny - Good one. Love those games and I do have that one on my Sony and on my computer. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Greg Giddins Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:13:45 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Who's fighting who? There has been an awful lot of posting about "stopping the blame game" lately. And I absolutely support that statement. 100% But to be honest, I haven't seen too much blaming going on, guys and gals. I've heard "responsibility" issues come up (definately not the same as "blame"), and I've heard the "accidental kick is an oxymoron" issue, (which only stated the KICK was intended, not the result), but never "the guy who was in the ring is to blame." Not once. I'm sure if someone actually presented that idea there would be a HUGE uproar from ALL OF US, myself included. I will speak for everyone on this post when I say: Nobody finds the other competitor guilty of anything. If there is anyone out there who disagrees with that statement I have yet to read anything from them. Please, all of you who keep bringing up this issue, please reply to direct statements that you feel are placing this blame so that we can understand where you are coming from, and support you if, indeed, someone is taking that stance. Greg Giddins ggiddins@ossinc.net You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding. ~ They Might Be Giants ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:08:37 PST Subject: the_dojang: Where's Waldo? I have been receiving all the digests regularly. I read them and sometimes reread them. After the last few I have even gone back a third time to try and find out where some of the comments are coming from and what they are referring to. I would very much appreciate that if you make any kind of statements that anger you or that you feel need discussion from others, could you please do the cut and paste thing so we can know what statements you are referring to or if it is an entire post could you please indicate the post; not necessary to copy the whole post if it is lengthy. There have been many excellent posts with considerable substance on sensitive issues and trying to second guess is not productive and leads to bad feelings and just plain old confusion and excedrin headaches. I like to give all posts the consideration they deserve. Thanks much! Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:18:39 EST Subject: the_dojang: legality and the good samaritan Jamaica wrote: > I agree that it is great that people should be trained in the areas of > CPR certification and First Aid certification but there are also words > of caution here. My understanding is that if you are in any way a > medical professional but not the designated medical professional for a > tournament you are putting yourself in major legal consequences for > attempting to treat any competitor for a number of reasons. Jamaica, Hmm, this is a very interesting post that I hope becomes a good discussion. I always thought it was the other way around in that if you held medical certification you are legally bound to assist someone in distress. I don't mean to suggest that "I" am bound to help just because I've completed a course at the local fire hall. It has always been my understanding that Dr., RNs are responsible to jump in and help especially at an accident b/c those minutes it takes for the EMT to arrive may be precious. I know we have at least one RN on this list and hope the med professionals will jump in and clear this up. I hate to have ideas based on vague recollections of what I've heard around or caught pieces of in the news. Dawne No1IDIC@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:48:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #26 ******************************* Support the USTU by joining today! 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