From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #31 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 18 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 031 In this issue: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #29; the_dojang: ???????????????????? the_dojang: suggestions the_dojang: scoring Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #29; the_dojang: ???????????????????? the_dojang: Words the_dojang: Re: USTU Ref Course the_dojang: Re: good samaritan law the_dojang: Re: Different styles the_dojang: RE: instructor training the_dojang: Greetings from Seoul the_dojang: TKD Training the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 20:30:13 EST Subject: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #29; the_dojang: ???????????????????? Ray (raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com) wrote: << So I don't think that we do Mr. Strube's memory proper respect by continuing to discuss this. I hope you agree. >> Chris Hernandez (iceman@cyberg8t.com) wrote: << I disagree!!!!! People's interest in this tragedy is not disrespect... It is no different then imagine if a close friend or relative was killed or seriously injured in a accident, Human nature dictates that You would want to know all the details of the accident!!! Correct??? >> Ray (raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com) wrote: << Correct? Incorrect? This is probably one of those situations where neither is the case. Do I agree w/the above? No.>> Ray and Chris, I posted this to another list last week. It may be appropriate here now. As someone who has lost a son to an accident (NOT Taekwondo), I believe I can speak with some degree of knowledge in this matter. Because I was not there, I wanted to know everything I could about the circumstances, including every detail that led up to his accident. I didn't want to hear about anything afterward, other than that everything that could have been done had been done - -- but I really, really wanted to know what led up to it. In talking with other parents whose children have died, they've always said the same thing about wanting to know. Somehow it helps, don't ask me how. Sally CBAUGHN@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:03:58 EST Subject: the_dojang: suggestions In a message dated 1/17/99 2:17:42 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << 2) Change the rules to encourage more body strikes. Allow punches to score again. Limit head contact to "Light Contact." 3) Mandate mats in all rings. >> answer to #2 - 95% of all techniques scored are body shots - and 95% of those are roundhouses. Punches are allowed and referees have been pushing for an end tot he "unofficial old-time view that u had to knock them on their rears to get a point for a punch." The rules already says punches properly executed do count. Answer to #3. I have never been to a USTU national event that did not use mats - in the last ?????? years. Only at local tournaments do I see hardwood floors and I know that Guy Poos and Oren Gautraux to name two rent out their mats. Ronda J. Sweet tkdtiger@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:12:01 EST Subject: the_dojang: scoring In a message dated 1/17/99 2:17:42 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << The great thing about electronic scoring is that you can tell exactly what the corner refs are counting and what they aren't. I love it... >> Thanks ray for hitting my soapbox. I firmly believe electronic scoring will force referees to improve scoring. Remember how people complained about poomse scores when they were on paper and secret? And then how outraged when the scores were posted for all to see? What happened ? People conformed to how it should be done - or they didn't judge forms. Give it 2 years and same thing will happen here - slower because not everyone has access to electronic scoring. Ronda J. Sweet tkdtiger@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:33:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #29; the_dojang: ???????????????????? > Somehow it helps, don't ask me how. Sally, yes I agree completely. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: John Hancock <4karate@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:47:44 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Words You know....I had a nice post already to go....and then I deleted it. I want to try something different instead. To all Digest posters: What single event in your entire martial art training, teaching or experience, has had a profound impact upon your person that you feel the effect of even to this day? ;-) John Hancock I seek not to know all the answers....but to understand the questions. (and for bonus points on Dojang Digest jeopardy....who said that?) ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:52:08 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: USTU Ref Course Does anybody on this list know if a person can attend the USTU Referee course in anther State rather than his/her home State? Thanks! Peter M. ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 23:56:47 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: good samaritan law In a message dated 1/17/99 7:27:35 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << or were they defended by the Good Samaritan Law? >> it is my understanding, that if you have recieved training, this law does not apply to you. what i mean is, you cannot be protected by this law if you are _trained_ in first aid, cpr, or medical techniques. any attorneys on the list know for certain? melinda chunjido@aol.com ------------------------------ From: sbryan@dpmicro.net (Shane Bryan) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 23:12:46 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Different styles Mika Wrote: ".....I am pretty satisfied of our methods, but I want to learn different styles. Should I practise Hapkido or some other korean style?" I'm not too qualified to make an answer, But I do so love to help people find the right art for them that I'm going to. Myself, I am a beginner in Combat Hapkido. I chose that because I wanted ,IMO, the best self defense I could learn. Plus I had taken some Hapkido before, wanted to continue it, and found my CH instructor to be one of the coolest people. To get to the point, studying another art won't hurt what you have learned, only compliment it. But it all depends on what you want to do with it. If you want to learn a self defense, then you NEED to take something else. If you want just a sport, then stay with something that has a competitive spirit, like judo, jiujitsu, shotokan karate, etc. You may decide that since you have taken a Korean art, staying with Korean arts would be the best idea. Hapkido doesn't have a whole lot in common with TKD though. It's a whole different concept. I am a firm believer in a "cross-training" martial art like Combat Hapkido, or jeet kune do, but they aren't for everyone. It all depends on your attitude and what you want to do with what you know. Shane Bryan ------------------------------ From: "Lasich, Mark D." Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 08:36:07 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: instructor training The ATA has a very formal Instructor's Training Program that requires at least 300 hours of in-class instruction before becoming eligible to go to Instructor's Training Camp. The end result of camp (basically a boot-camp atmosphere, from what I understand) is becoming a certified instructor. (There is a new middle-ground program in place that puts you in a "semi-certified" state where you are 'certified' by your instructor, but not the ATA, yet.) - -Each receives an Instructor's Manual, which contains all the rank material, organizational stuff about the ATA, tips on class management, planning guides, etc. - -Each Instructor Trainee must be tested on the Youth Protection Program - -Each Instructor Trainee must "KNOW" CPR (my card says: 'has participated in .....') - -We have regular meetings with our Master Instructor to remain true to how he wants us to teach and to work out any problems we may encounter in class - -Leadership is EXPECTED. The recent discussion about Black Belts not taking charge and taking over the class would have definitely resulted in a "discussion" about leadership, etc. - -You have to apply to join the Instructor Trainee program - the theory is not everyone is accepted - -Each Instructor Trainee is recognized by a Red Collar. - -Each, what I call, semi-certified instructor is recognized by a Red/Black collar - -Each fully certified instructor is recognized by a Black collar - -You can NOT become a fourth degree in the ATA without being at least an Instructor Trainee There may be more, but it is definitely more than just calling someone an instructor! In the spirit of TKD... Mark.Lasich@alcoa.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------------------- Mark D. Lasich Email: Mark.Lasich@alcoa.com Phone: (724) 337-5702 Fax: (724) 337-2394 *** I asked for everything so I could enjoy life. Instead, He gave me life so I could enjoy everything. - Unknown author. *** ------------------------------ From: Stan Lim Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 06:05:45 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Greetings from Seoul I'm here!! Unfortunately, the agenda is so tight, even meals are scheduled. Doesn't look like I'll have any time to sight see or go shopping :-( Stan ------------------------------ From: "Stephen Sanner" Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 07:00:12 PST Subject: the_dojang: TKD Training Hello everyone, I need addresses of TKD training center abroad for a friend of mine, ideally in Europe or Asia (Korea). It would be for a period of two weeks (intensive training) if possible something cheap. Thx for your help. Stephan xtreme_36@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 07:25:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #31 ******************************* Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. 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