From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #32 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 18 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 032 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #26 the_dojang: Re: Instructor Training the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #28 the_dojang: Re: profound impact the_dojang: First Aid the_dojang: Martial Arts License/Regulation the_dojang: Re: No blame in my post the_dojang: Medical "people/personnel" on site the_dojang: Another try at a constructive suggestion the_dojang: About Your Opponents Health the_dojang: Money/Profit Driven the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #31 the_dojang: Interesting Thought.... the_dojang: back spin kicks the_dojang: Re: good samaritan law the_dojang: Re: Different Styles the_dojang: Re: USTU Referee Course the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:18:12 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #26 At the school where I study, assistant instructors have a special class once a week. It's casually split between reviewing material -- to make sure we're doing the form or technique correctly -- and instructions about what and how to teach. The assistant instructors also keep in touch with one another by e- mail as different issues and events come up. JB ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 07:23:38 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Instructor Training <> My school, the American Taekwondo & Hapkido Academy, has an extensive Instructor training program. A sample of the course listings that I teach my Instructor Trainees: 1. Conducting a proper Warm-up 2. Psychology of Motivation 3. Teaching Children 4. First Aid (common dojang injuries and their treatments) 5. Legal issues 6. Competition and the role of a coach 7. Goal Setting 8. Talking to the Public about the School 9. Business Considerations in the Martial Arts 10. Sexual Harassement in the dojang 11. Forms and their development in the martial arts 12. The role of politics in the martial arts 13. Modern Inovations in martial arts trainning 14. Athletic Trainning 15. Body Motion Theory 16. Talking about weapons 17. Dealing with the subject of Rape. 18. Th School System and Self-Defense Issues 19. Answering the Phone Mike Rowe ATHA - Valley, Nebraska ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:10:17 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #28 A snip from the first post: This is not you say that you should not get certified for medical emergencies, this is just to state what some of my friends lives have been touched with. Then someone asked if they had been succesfully sued: my reply Yes, 2 out of the 4 cases have been successful. One a life gaurd and the other a security officer (off duty) both saved lives but payed for it. Additionally, I would like to state that I will be going for certification if and when it becomes financially possible for me. (Not to grip but I am barely breaking even and paying bills between a full time job and starting a MA school). I think certification is important, and I would not let me Mother or anyone else for that matter, die if I could prevent it. But people should be thoroughly aware of the risk of both parties. First and always dial 911, then ask yourself if there is anything you can do to help them, i.e. preform first aid. Yes, I would preform first aid if needed - but I would be the first to call the professionals. - -Stacy ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:24:51 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: profound impact john hancock asked: << What single event in your entire martial art training, teaching or experience, has had a profound impact upon your person that you feel the effect of even to this day? >> i dont know how fortunate or unfortunate this is....but i guess it's the fact that i was cheated by a grandmaster whom i trusted. the effect is that i want to train even harder so that i can open my own dojang. the experience has helped me to examine my own ethics and moral code and realize that no matter any other persons lack thereof... i still have mine. i want to develop a school where we do so much more than just meet and do technique two or three times a week, while the students drop over $120/month on the average. i want to help my students live more fulfilled lives wherever possible, not bleed them of it. and finally, i want to do everything i can to never, _NEVER_ abuse the trust that my students give to me. melinda chunjido@aol.com ------------------------------ From: burdickd Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:38:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: First Aid << or were they defended by the Good Samaritan Law? >> Melinda wrote: it is my understanding, that if you have recieved training, this law does not apply to you. what i mean is, you cannot be protected by this law if you are _trained_ in first aid, cpr, or medical techniques. any attorneys on the list know for certain? My answer: Yes Melinda, you are covered by those acts if you are trained in First aid and CPR. It's in the Red Cross Manual and one of the first things we address to new students. Check your local Red Cross and ask how the laws apply in your state if you have questions. Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:01:55 EST Subject: the_dojang: Martial Arts License/Regulation There have been several post in the past months regarding the Licensing of Martial Arts schools and or instructors. The general concessus seems to be that getting the government involved is a bad idea. There is no way to regulate fairly the diverse styles and even schools within a particular style. But, I think we all agree something needs to be done. I tend to favor self- regulation. There are several organization in existence now which will allow us to do that. The Martial Arts Registry allows a prospective student to call in and check out a school's or individual's credentials which had previously been verified. The American Council on Martial Arts (ACMA) has an instructor certification course that is generic to any style. While these types of programs are not comprehensive they seem to be steps in the right direction. We need an organization that is empowered by the majority of martial artist to regulate ourselves. It needs to set minimum standards for schools to operate such as: Instructor qualification, cleanliness of schools, conduct, First Aid\CPR, and arbitration. The list can go on and can evolve since we the Martial Artist, Instructors and School Owners are setting the standards. This is just an idea in its formative stage. I hope others can expand on this. Please no personal flames, discuss the ideas not me. Terry L. Davis TerryLamar@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:41:08 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: No blame in my post In volume 30 Ray said: <> However, having been identified by name in the public forum as one who had started the blame issue and one who had attacked Ray (neither of which I did intentionally) I feel that I am entitled to a public reply. If Ray elects to relegate this to the "bucket" then at least I have had the catharsis of writing it. In a message dated 1/16/99 7:20:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, John Hancock writes: << First it was attack Ray for calling it an accident. >> He then quotes the first half of my post, which I will not repeat here. John: I am beginning to understand how politicians must feel when they are quoted out of context. Quoting my post and deleting the entire second half totally changed the meaning, as perhaps you know. I doubt that Ray felt that I had "attacked" him when he read the post in its entirety. Certainly it didn't elicit a response from him. The point of the post, which was only evident from the portion you excised, was to offer a constructive suggestion--that we teach our students a less devastating way to throw back hook kicks in friendly competition, by striking with the ball of the foot, instep, or bottom of the heel, rather than the calcaneus, which is essentially unpadded bone. Unfortunately, that part of the post elicited no public response from anyone, including you. (I did receive, by private e-mail, a thought-provoking reply from Chet Chesher, suggesting that my idea would result in increased risk of ankle injury to the kicker.) I would still like to know what others of you think. If you honestly read my post to be suggesting that I felt that there was blame to be attached to some party in this tragedy then I apologize, but protest that I was misunderstood. Such is the imperfect nature of written communications. Since I have always been amused by your posts in the past ("Master of the Watermelon Way" I believe), I have given you the benefit of the doubt and have concluded that you were not intentionally misquoting me in order to generate controversy at my expense. Kurt Rommel tkdkurt@aol.com McLean Virginia, USA ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:45:23 PST Subject: the_dojang: Medical "people/personnel" on site A few more extended thoughts on Medical Personnel at tournaments. I have frequently seen posted by certain tournament directors that they have proper or adequate medical people/personnel on site. As we all look into our own tournaments I hope we look at what this very ambiguous statement means. In the medical field, to name a few: nurse practitioners, nurse practitioners-certified; physicians assistants, physicians assistants;certified; R.N's, M.D.'s; nurse clinicians, LPN's licensed practical nurses; medical assistants (M.A.'s) and para medics to name just a few. Some tournament directors believe that an intern in physical therapy or a physical therapist, sports therapist on hand is also considered proper medical care. Some also believe a massage therapist or wellness coordinator constitutes proper medical care. I hope that when we see these words (medical personnel on site) we ask for the credentials and background training of the medical person they have on hand and what state they are certified to practice medicine in. Thanks. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:41:25 EST Subject: the_dojang: Another try at a constructive suggestion I suggested in an earlier post that in tournaments and fighting classes it might be a good idea to have competitors throw back hook kicks with the toes pointed out so that the striking surface was softer (ball of foot, instep, bottom of heel) than the calcaneus, which is virtually unpadded bone. (Sorry for the redundancy, but I think it is as likely as not that Ray will have killed my earlier reply.) The only response I received to that part of the post was a comment that this involved a serious risk to the kicker's ankle. Whether that is true or not, as to which I am not qualified to opine, the suggestion is impractical, as my initial post recognized, since in the heat of a tournament, you are going to throw kicks instinctively, without reflecting on striking surface, and it would be impossible to enforce. Another thought... Does anyone on the list know why the WTF/USTU adopted the shin-instep style of foot protector as the required style? This leaves the calcaneus unpadded. Why not use the Rheemax, Macho, etc. boot-style foot protectors which pads most of the harder striking surfaces of the foot? I hope *this* post doesn't offend anyone. ;-) Kurt Rommel tkdkurt@aol.com McLean, Virginia, USA ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:03:40 PST Subject: the_dojang: About Your Opponents Health As we're talking about the medical consequences to competitors I briefly eluded to the at-risk competitors and just want to expand a bit more on this topic. I hope that all competitors and athletes in general get a physical at least once a year. A complete one not just a shorty one that someone signed off on. Think of it as respect not only for yourself but for your opponent. As we talk about the different kicks and punches and their impact on competitors I think it is important to also look at the health and health condition of the athletes. If two competitors are in equal health they will be generally be able to sustain the blows and kicks of a competition. But say one of the competitors has even one of the following conditions (and there are many more): heart murmur, irregular heartbeats, dizziness, asthma, diabetes, ringing in the ears, blurred vision, hemophilia, or on meds for depression, anxiety attacks, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, HIV positive, herpes. etc. Now a competitor could throw a hard punch or kick and would never be aware that his opponent was suffering from one or more medical conditions which made the impact more severe. Perhaps even the competitor (him/her) did not have themselves checked out and don't even know that they had a condition. I think we sometimes get into a mindset that because many of the competitors especially the young blackbelts are young and appear healthy that they must be. Actually this is not the case in more situations than we care to acknowledge. Sometimes conditions are hereditary sometimes not. I guess the tournaments have their responsibilities and we each have our own responsibilities to ourselves and to those we practice and compete with. Eliminating some of these health unknowns is also another way to make it safer for all involved. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:21:21 PST Subject: the_dojang: Money/Profit Driven Me? Boycott all events until these measures are put in place. Let's face it. Money drives everything....and it will drive this issue too. John Hancock - ------------------------------------------- An excellent point that to keep in mind even as we talk about medical care, good samaritans and other safety issues... These tournaments are profit driven(at least most of them). Cutting corners on the medical personnel and safety equipment is not the place to do it. So however you want to approach the health/safety concerns remember that if an incident does occur this is something else that will be looked at; who stood to gain/lose from the event; where and to whom did they invest their monies (what were the priorities. For the most part these are not charitable not-for-profit tournaments or demos although I'm sure some people have established not-for-profit accounts to put some of their profits. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Dennis McHenry" Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:35:35 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #31 < What single event in your entire martial art training, teaching or experience, has had a profound impact upon your person that you feel the effect of even to this day?>> Very good question. Mine would be a private instructor I had many years ago. Taught me mechanics and form, full power. Opened my eyes. Up till then, I was like everybody else (and all my young students) who are focused upon getting their next belt (rank), and I was an adult! My attitude changed to where rank didn't matter, but skill. I'd rather be a good Yellow belt and kick any Brown belt's butt (or out perform) then the other way around. Rank has is place, but doesn't always denote skill. He was crazy, but a great instructor and a good friend. To this day I prefer teaching one-on-one or very small classes. I'm not interested in quantity, but quality (I also don't have to rely on it for a living). Dennis Master.McHenry@USA.net ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:41:11 PST Subject: the_dojang: Interesting Thought.... Interesting thought. Any Lawyers on the list?? Eric __________________________________ Well if there are any best they don't identify themselves as such and just post in general fashion. Got to be careful here or their posts could be recognized or misinterpreted as giving legal advice. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:50:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: back spin kicks > was to offer a constructive suggestion--that we teach our students a less > devastating way to throw back hook kicks in friendly competition, by striking > with the ball of the foot, instep, or bottom of the heel, rather than the > calcaneus, which is essentially unpadded bone. I recall at least one, perhaps two, posts on this. It indicated that extending the toes to allow for the additional reach on the back spin kick was commonly taught. That is my experience, too. Of course that does not eliminate the chance of injury to the 'kickee'. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Oh Captain, my captain" Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:10:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: good samaritan law > it is my understanding, that if you have recieved training, this law > does not apply to you. what i mean is, you cannot be protected by > this law if you are _trained_ in first aid, cpr, or medical techniques. > any attorneys on the list know for certain? The purpose of a good samaratin law is to protect individuals when and if they decide to help an accident victim. It does not matter if you are trained in any kind of life saving measure or not. (The act came about several years ago after a doctor stopped to help an accident victim. The doctor left the victim to the care of the paramedics once they arrived on the scene. The victim worsened in transit to the hospital and the family sued the doctor and won. Subsequently, nobody would stop and help due to their fear of being sued by the victim if the victim later decided that they wanted money.) The law, although different between states, protects everyone from doctors to average people. The only time that a person is REQUIRED to give care is if they are WORKING at a job that requires it. i.e. lifeguard, paramedic, police/fire, etc. If these people are not on the job, I am almost certain that they not LEGALLY REQUIRED to help. Here is the actual law as it pertains to Indiana: Any person, who in good faith gratuitously renders emergency care at the scene of an accident or emergency care to the victim thereof, shall not be liable for any civil damages for any personal injury as a result or any act or omission by such person in rendering the emergency care or as a result of any act or failure to act to provide or arrange for further medical treatment or care for the injured person, except acts or omission amounting to gross negligence or willful or wanton misconduct. In a nutshell, as long as you aren't running a service that offers first aid and you are trying to help the person, this law will protect you if something goes wrong. James ------------------------------ From: "CALLAHAN" Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 15:50:02 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Different Styles > Hi folks, > > Is it harmful to my ITF-Taekwondo style to take lessons from other martial > art-styles=20 > ie. Taido, Aikido. I am pretty satisfied of our methods, but I want to > learn different styles. Should I > practise Hapkido or some other korean style? > > Regards. > Mika J=E4rvinen > I have been told that the Korean Grandmaster I train under has said -- You are not a complete martial artist unless you have Mastered at least three styles. Translating his comments is quite hard, at times, but I think what he basically means is -- learn and master as much as you can, it can only make you a better martial artist. I would not recommend stopping your training in TKD since you seem satisfied with it (there is always more to learn). Compliment your existing training with that of a style that interests you and you feel like you could excel at. Also, take a good look at the instructor of that different style, sometimes that is the deciding factor, instead of the style itself. Chris Callahan "Violence when there is an alternative, is immoral; Violence when there is no alternative, is survival" ------------------------------ From: "CALLAHAN" Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 15:50:45 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: USTU Referee Course > Does anybody on this list know if a person can attend the USTU Referee course > in anther State rather than his/her home State? > > Thanks! > > Peter M. I can tell you that I attend the USTU referee seminar in a state other than the one I live in. But, I also train in that other state, and my home state does not have a USTU organization nor referee seminars. I don't know if that helps you much. Chris Callahan "Violence when there is an alternative, is immoral; Violence when there is no alternative, is survival" ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:11:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #32 ******************************* Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. 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