From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #33 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 19 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 033 In this issue: the_dojang: Re:Impact the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #31 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #29 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest: RE Burnout the_dojang: USTU Referee Course the_dojang: ustu referee course the_dojang: Re: Different styles the_dojang: Re: important MA event the_dojang: Re: Lawyers the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #31 the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hancock <4karate@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:07:59 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re:Impact I can't believe it! Some people actually wrote nice comments in response to my last posting! Who would have ever guess? (OK...I'll put my sarcasm back in its box) Anyway....those were some good comments....but I was hoping for a little more detail. I'll try to give you a personal example: In 1984 I began instruction in Korean Sword (Sim Do) under Master Yang Chong Sik (7th Dan). There were many incidents during my training that effected me profoundly, but the sum total of the experience led me to conclude that Master Yang himself was the most profound influence. It is my understanding that I was his last disciple....and I do mean disciple. I was't just a mere student. But there is one incident that I have retold over and over again...because it examplifies what I have come to hold dear as the essence of a TRUE MASTER. Let me relate that story now. Very often, after our training sessions, Master Yang and I would go to the PX nearby our base school...and I would always offer to buy him a meal or atleast insist upon paying for his drink. It was at these times that I learned the most about Sim Do....and especially Master Yang. One day...after a particularly hard workout...we were there and were getting something cool to drink. Master Yang asked me, "What you getting?" I said, "Orange Juice. I like to put crushed ice in in. It makes it better." Master Yang nodded his head and then, pausing, said, "I am getting Chocolate Milks," then finished grinning sheepishly, "I am still little children." Doesn't seem like much does it. But here is the crux. This man had already demonstrated to me he could beat me senseless with a few strips of bamboo tied together. I had looked at his face wearing a demons mask of determination as I squared off across from him in sparring. He was a Master's Master. And here he was...a shy, gentle, sweet old man who could poke fun at himself for his own childlike natures. That was the moment of profoundness for me. And I never forgot it. In that moment...Yang Sabomnim taught me the essence of being a Master. John Hancock ------------------------------ From: "Longhorn, Andrew" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:08:04 +1100 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #31 > What single event in your entire martial art training, teaching or > experience, has had a profound impact upon your person that you feel the > effect of even to this day? > I started training in the martial arts. :) Andrew Longhorn ------------------------------ From: slem Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:24:35 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #29 To fellow Martial Artist, I have read many of the digest articles about training in other systems. I have been training in a traditional Korean Martial art for about 19 years. I am a 4th Dan and certifided master instructor. I feel that I am just begining to understand my art. There are many times when students approach with the this question. As a traditional Martial art there are a number of very important factors to consider. 1. Loyalty to the art 2.Loyalty to an instructor 3. Historical information 3. The importance of full knowledge of the art you practice. The instructor student relationship is a very basic concept to a traditional martial art. This is at its very core, some times this can be an indication of a lack of humility, or just the need for the student to grow. If we need to grow , I believe that we should take a closer look at our understanding of our own art. When we transfer information from different styles into one they begin to debase the core of the style, second it causes confusion, third it can change the basic philosophy of that art. We should be careful to not change, what we do not have the right to change. One of my most senior instructor has said "Discipline goes beyond personal feelings and desires". I have found this to help me make many great choices. We should ask ourselves what is it that we truly seek? What is it that we truly need? There are many great styles out there. However, there are some that have motives that are not true to the good of our fellow man. We, I feel should as Martial artist, be very careful to see the difference. I wish you, fellow martial artist...peace. Steve the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com wrote: > The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 17 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 029 [400 lines deleted. Please do not send an issue of the digest back to the list] ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:13:48 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest: RE Burnout Hi I was just wondering if any one out there has had any experience with burnout.... My instructor and family and people I train with seem to think that it's going to happen to me so I was just wondering.... Thank you ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:32:32 EST Subject: the_dojang: USTU Referee Course In a message dated 1/18/99 9:22:55 AM Central Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Does anybody on this list know if a person can attend the USTU Referee course in anther State rather than his/her home State? Thanks! Peter M. >> ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:34:05 EST Subject: the_dojang: ustu referee course In a message dated 1/18/99 9:22:55 AM Central Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Does anybody on this list know if a person can attend the USTU Referee course in anther State rather than his/her home State? Thanks! Peter M. >> Yes you can. you can also take it at national events. to get your upgrade be sure to include a copy of your kukkiwon and last referee certificate. ronda j. sweet tkdtiger@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Jewell, David" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:11:00 +1000 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Different styles Mika et al, Before thinking about training in another art you need to consider WHY!. If you are dissatisfied with you current art/style then maybe it is time to move on altogether and find an art more suited to yourself. One of the biggest problems with studying another art is the 'polluting' of your existing art. For example, you study ITF TKD which uses the sine wave method of applying techniques. If you were to take up Shotokan Karate which has a linear method of delivery you may start doing linear kicks in your ITF class or getting into an argument with the Shotokan instructor because he doesn't understand the advantages of the sine wave. By studying another art that is totally different from your first there will be minimal 'pollution'. TKD is a striking art so perhaps you should look at a throwing art such as Aikido or Judo, or perhaps a weapons art such as Aido. I have studied Aikido and found that it complimented my TKD without polluting it because Aikido has no kicks and minimal striking but I learnt a lot about body positioning, avoidance of attack, centering, relaxed techniques, using your opponents strengths against themselves. All of which I have applied to my TKD without creating yet another way of delivering a kick. :-) cheers DJ... djewell@trl.oz.au ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:38:41 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: important MA event Master John Hancock wrote: << What single event in your entire martial art training, teaching or experience, has had a profound impact upon your person that you feel the effect of even to this day? >> Without a doubt, the event which had the most profound impact upon me was taking my junior black belt test. That was 12/4/77-I remember the weather, the feeling of apprehension and then of utter joy when I had passed. One of the board who was not prone to giving compliments said that I did a "good job" explaining the tenets. I remember it took me two tries to break the 4 boards with a flying side kick. I remember having a black belt tied around my waist. That event has had such a big impact because I worked very hard for it. I achieved something special. I have always been able to point to that test and say, "if I could do that, I can do this." I have passed other martial arts tests, endured high school, college and law school, gotten married, had kids, etc. and along the way said, "if I could do that, I can do this." Thanks for making me remember that winter day! Peter M. ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:13:20 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Lawyers Eric asked if there are any lawyers on the list. I'm one and I know there are others. Re: Good Samaritan Law-I have no idea whether MI has any similar law-I specialize in real estate and estate planning (wills and trusts). Never practiced personal injury law. Take Care, Peter M. ------------------------------ From: Chuck Sears Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:00:38 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #31 > > > From: John Hancock <4karate@bellsouth.net> > Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:47:44 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: Words > > You know....I had a nice post already to go....and then I deleted it. I want to try something different instead. > > To all Digest posters: > > What single event in your entire martial art training, teaching or experience, has had a profound impact upon your person that you feel the effect of even to this day? > > Through my Taekwondo training, I met the lady who fills my life with happiness. She is now my partner in the school and every day, we show our students that the family that kicks together, sticks together. > ------------------------------ > > From: > Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 23:56:47 EST > Subject: the_dojang: Re: good samaritan law > > In a message dated 1/17/99 7:27:35 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang- > owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > > << or were they defended by the Good Samaritan Law? >> > > it is my understanding, that if you have recieved training, this law > does not apply to you. what i mean is, you cannot be protected by > this law if you are _trained_ in first aid, cpr, or medical techniques. > any attorneys on the list know for certain? > The interpretation of the Good Samaritan law, AFAIK, has always been that if you act within the limits of your knowledge with no expectation of reward, you are covered. If I, currently certified as having attended and passed a Red Cross CPR course, administer CPR correctly to someone at a car wreck (for example), I am not liable if that person dies. If I do it wrong and cause more damage, there is a question of liability. If that person has an obstructed airway and I attempt to clear it using the methods taught in the class, I am covered. If I cannot clear it and decide to perform an emergency crychothyroidectomy with a ball point pen, even if I save the person's life, I will probably have my butt sued off. ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:59:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #33 ******************************* Support the USTU by joining today! 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