From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #35 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 19 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 035 In this issue: the_dojang: Unique Training Techniques the_dojang: Medical Records the_dojang: Women Instructors/Male students the_dojang: TKD in Korea... the_dojang: First Aid to Your Attacker?! the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #33 the_dojang: A profound impact the_dojang: Connections the_dojang: Re: Profound Impact the_dojang: the source of power the_dojang: Re: CPR Certification the_dojang: The Chicken Dance the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:06:40 PST Subject: the_dojang: Unique Training Techniques I was wondering if anyone has any unique training techniques that they use (those out of the ordinary that present a more difficult challenge). Something like say, tying one arm behind the back for fighting (and perhaps your favored arm), perhaps holding your ankle, techniques and challenges used for multiple sparring partners, throwing a piece of cardboard or something like it into the air and seeing if your students can kick it or punch it, etc. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:34:31 PST Subject: the_dojang: Medical Records From: Piotr Bernat: Since I sam many letters dealing with the medical aspects of the competition in the U.S. recently, I thought it would be a good idea to post some information on how the situation is like in Poland. In my country, ALL students participating in sport TKD training are OBLIGED to visit specialized sports medical centers every three months and undergo a series of tests. After first visit, one receives a "Medical Card of an Athlete", ........ ================================= Thanks for the detailed information. I appreciate it. I would suspect it must also put the competitors at ease a bit knowing that they are on equal ground. I always get concerned at tournaments when I see someone get knocked out, knocked down/staggered but not for reasons you might think. Everyone frequently stands up and enthusiastically applauds the competitor that did the knocking down. But sometimes I see two people sparring and I say to myself "a knockdown?!!!" with that wimpy kick... and then I wonder was it really the kick or the punch that knocked the person down or was that competitor medically compromised to begin with. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:56:35 PST Subject: the_dojang: Women Instructors/Male students This is sort of a rhetorical question since I already know the answer but I'd like to get some opinions anyway from both genders. (smile) Women are still in the minority in the martial arts although the numbers are increasing and quite a few more are moving into the ranks of black belts and instructors. So what's your experience, good/bad/indifferent as to women instructors and male students in particular but also women instructors in general. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:30:25 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: TKD in Korea... >At the Kukkiwon instructor course, when talking about running the dojang business, they used ATA methods, and even told us those methods were from ATA, it's even printed in the book. They even told us we should be running Cardio Kickboxing classes in our Dojangs. < I am glad that you brought this up. Are there any cardio kickboxing classes in the Korean dojangs? I am being faced with a situation that may have me moving to Korea in the near future. My wife's sister runs an "after school" school. It is a place where many of the grade school kids go to after there regular school to study longer. The problem is that another school similar to hers has added an English conversation class to their agenda. My wife told me that a lot of the grade school kids are now being required to learn English. The other school hired a national who has done business in the US to teach at their school. Now a lot of the kids are going there instead of my wife's sister school. Unfortuneately she can not afford to pay for an instructor to come in and teach and she does not know any English herself. He husband can teach grammar but not conversation. They have called us up and asked us to move over there and teach. They say that there is a lot of money in it. I would love to move there, but I am caught. I just started a business on my own that I would like to see grow first. Plus, I want to still practice martial arts, but my Korean is about as good as my knowledge of OSTKD. ha..ha.. So the reason why I ask about the cardio classes, is because I thought about doing that as a supplemental income if we did move. Any thoughts or advice from anyone? I could definetly use it right now. Jeremy ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:17:59 PST Subject: the_dojang: First Aid to Your Attacker?! Say you were attacked and you took down your attacker. The attacker needed some First Aid or CPR. Would you provide it? Would you leave? Would you call 911? Would you call 911 and stick around or leave in case the attacker had friends nearby... This question came to me from a male martial artist that is hoping to get into law enforcement and/or perhaps personal security. Thanks. If you're not from the US what laws apply to your country. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jana Lise" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:48:41 PST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #33 > What single event in your entire martial art training, teaching or > experience, has had a profound impact upon your person that you feel >the effect of even to this day? Before I state my experience, I have to say two things. First, I have to thank Joh Hancock for this question...it brings all that study the art together in their common interest. Second, I thoroughly enjoyed everyone's answers, esp. the one about Master Yang. OK, I think the most important -event- in my training was what got me started in martial arts in the first place. Taking a short self-defense course I experienced a rush of what I can only describe as power (the 'snap' that my masters are constantly requiring) during a sequence of punches. I seriously took up TSD after this because such power coming out of me completely surprised me (I tend to be shy, quiet and reserved). The art has given me confidence that i never thought I would find. And so I guess I should also thank Master Yi, my Kwan Chang Nim, for taching me this. He would be the most influencial person in my martial arts training. Tang soo! jana ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jana Lise" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:49:08 PST Subject: the_dojang: A profound impact > What single event in your entire martial art training, teaching or > experience, has had a profound impact upon your person that you feel >the effect of even to this day? Before I state my experience, I have to say two things. First, I have to thank Joh Hancock for this question...it brings all that study the art together in their common interest. Second, I thoroughly enjoyed everyone's answers, esp. the one about Master Yang. OK, I think the most important -event- in my training was what got me started in martial arts in the first place. Taking a short self-defense course I experienced a rush of what I can only describe as power (the 'snap' that my masters are constantly requiring) during a sequence of punches. I seriously took up TSD after this because such power coming out of me completely surprised me (I tend to be shy, quiet and reserved). The art has given me confidence that i never thought I would find. And so I guess I should also thank Master Yi, my Kwan Chang Nim, for taching me this. He would be the most influencial person in my martial arts training. Tang soo! jana ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:11:04 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Connections Does anyone have any connections to any dojangs in the Chunju area of Korea? Or do you know someone who knows someone? Just looking ahead in case I move there. Thanks. Jeremy ------------------------------ From: Aaron J Woodburn Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:45:00 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Profound Impact <<< What single event in your entire martial art training, teaching or experience, has had a profound impact upon your person that you feel the effect of even to this day? >>> I'm at my Kwan Chang Nim's annual Gardenstate Invitational and I am in the Weapons division, there must have been 30 people in that division and this is the VERY FIRST tournament my parents actually came to to see me (TSD's my "Thing", they really dont take intrest in it but are very proud of me). The Weapons in this division ranged to everything from chain whips, to various types of swords, to sai and tonfa, to that three piece bow/nunchaku chain thing (man is that an amazing weapon!). My weapon of choice was and still is the Bo-staff. I did a form that one of my nicest instructors taught me called Yum Bong Hyung, the forth and last bong form in my organization. It's a very involved form with kfancy bo work involved. When I finished with a sidesplit/horizontal bo slap to the ground the whole auditorium stopped and all you could hear was my kihap as I did my kick spring onto my feet, I bowed and quickly turned my back so as to be scored, suddenly the whole tournament roared in applause. It took me a few moments to see what all the comotion was about, ME! The largest surge of happiness swelled up in me when I thought about how beautiful my form must have looked to get that kind of atttention, I won third place in that division, but that didnt really mean anything to me, what I treasure to this day are the words spoken by A Master I respect greatly: "THAT Was Beautiful.............." I almost cried Thank you for the renewed memory, AJ Woodburn Dragon102@juno.com 2nd Dan, TSD ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ From: "Jana Lise" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:38:54 PST Subject: the_dojang: the source of power >He explained how power came from the ground. That if one focuses >power directly from the source to the destination it is much more >effective than twisting and turning in unnatural ways to generate> >some convoluted form of "power". Is he referring to 'Ki', Scott? I guess it could come from the ground, but I always understood it to be more of a controllable "aura" of energy and power all around you. I'm not the greatest person to explan this...maybe someone else could elucidate for me. Jana ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Eric Mueller Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:12:08 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: CPR Certification > > > From: "John Bennett" > Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:21:03 -0600 > Subject: the_dojang: There is no CPR "certification" > > There is no such thing as being "certified" in CPR. > > A person may become "trained" in CPR, but not certified. If a person > were "certified" in CPR or First Aid, both the person and the > organization that trained them could be held legally liable for their > actions in the field. > > Thus, no one is "certified" in CPR or First Aid. > > Regarding the length of time between refresher training, that is > determined by whatever organization is requiring that you be trained. > > The American Heart Association recommends two years. My employer > requires yearly updates. Some organizations require refresher > training every three years. > > John Bennett > > ------------------------------ > > From: > Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:19:11 -0800 (PST) > Subject: Re: the_dojang: There is no CPR "certification" > > > There is no such thing as being "certified" in CPR. > > > > A person may become "trained" in CPR, but not certified. If a person > > were "certified" in CPR or First Aid, both the person and the > > organization that trained them could be held legally liable for their > > actions in the field. > > Had to check mine. Yep, that looks right. I have several 'Certificates > of Recognition' for attending Medic First Aid classes with an issued and > renewal date, but nothing about being 'certified'. (The renewal dates are > one year later.) > > Ray Terry > raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > I checked with my hospitals Nursing Educator regarding "CPR Certification". She stated that We (Hospital Employees/ Medical care providers) are in fact "Certified" because the level of testing for the healthcare provider is higher than what is taught to the general public. {My Card reads: Cardiopulmonary Rescuscitation and Emergency Cardiac Care Provider....Healthcare Provider Course} She did state that the ACLS "Certification" (Advanced Cardiac Life Support) that I hold is no longer called "Certification", it is now called "Proficiency". There is no change in the knowledge or skills we needed to demonstrate for this "Proficiency" vs the "Certification" and she wasn't sure of the legal reasons behind the recent change in wording of ACLS. I left an internal e-mail for my hospitals in-house lawyer (who is also an RN) regarding Certification, The good Samaritan Law, and some of the Liability issues that have been brought up, She is currently on Vacation, but Once I get an Answer I'll certainly post it. John, What field are you in?? Eric ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:57:13 PST Subject: the_dojang: The Chicken Dance Well this is a term affectionately used by a friend of mine for a hit to the groin. I figured it was a polite and proper way to address this age old issue for men and women. Now whether we're in class and out of the blue we decide to show a few sparring techniques to a color belt without any type of protection, then zam, wham,,,and ouch,.. we're down....or we're at a tournament and in the fast and frenzied pace just as we're airlifting off the ground for a great devastating round house the opponent comes in with an equally devastating blow...to a very sensitive area. And I'm most serious please...it just seems the method for treatment seems always to be in question and everyone seems confused as to what to do. This includes the person in pain, the referee, the spectators. I know the men on this forum would probably debate the issue if I even suggested that it is equally painful for a woman to get hit here but that's another issue. Seriously now, what is the best, most effective method for healing and getting rid of the pain...for men and women. I have been told to kneel down and breathe deeply for a few moments, then I have seen other competitors shake it off. etc. I've seen ref's insist the player get on with the match when they are still in significant distress, others are told (at competitions) to go sit by their coach in the chair for a few moments. But I've literally seen some individuals almost pass out from this nasty event. Thanks. 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