From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #36 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 20 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 036 In this issue: BOUNCE the_dojang: Non-member submission from ["Kenneth W. Legendre" (fwd) the_dojang: Re: attacker first-aid the_dojang: Re: Knock-Outs the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #33 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #35 Re: the_dojang: Re: Knock-Outs BOUNCE the_dojang: Non-member submission from [Michael Osier (fwd) [none] the_dojang: Re: The Chicken Dance the_dojang: Safety Tip Re: the_dojang: Words the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:57:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: BOUNCE the_dojang: Non-member submission from ["Kenneth W. Legendre" (fwd) Ken, you are subscribed as kwlegen@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu. Please correct. Ray - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forwarded message: >From the_dojang-owner Tue Jan 19 13:50:37 1999 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:50:37 -0500 (EST) To: the_dojang-owner Subject: BOUNCE the_dojang: Non-member submission from ["Kenneth W. Legendre" ] Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:49:57 -0600 To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com From: "Kenneth W. Legendre" Subject: Re:Impact Hello Throughout my training there have been many events that have had an impact on my life. I think the most important one would have to be one evening during a workout we were doing board breaking. I was trying to break a 12x12x2 in board. This had been the goal of several of the people in class for 6 months. The first try I was not able to break the board. One of the black belts who occasionally taught class was sitting in the back of the room and said one thing to me. "Come on. Its only one board." I broke after that. Each time I run up against something that I have been strugling with, either in martial arts or in life in general, I remember those words. I can still hear them in my head as if he were saying them to me right now. Thanks Ken Legendre 2nd Dan Tae Kwon Do kwlegen@ilstu.edu ------------------------------ From: "Oh Captain, my captain" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:17:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: attacker first-aid > Say you were attacked and you took down your attacker. The attacker > needed some First Aid or CPR. Would you provide it? Would you leave? > Would you call 911? Would you call 911 and stick around or leave in > case the attacker had friends nearby... I know that as a caring individual, I should be concerned about the person who I just disabled, but I have to be honest... If someone had the disrespect for me to attack me, I wouldn't be in a hurry to help them. I think one of my first reactions would be to get out of the area and then call the police to tell them what happened. I think you shouldn't be in a lot of trouble from a legal perspective since it was a rather passionate act. "I was terrified to stay there, Mr. Officer." James ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:10:28 +1300 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Knock-Outs Jamaica said.... >>>>>> I always get concerned at tournaments when I see someone get knocked out, knocked down/staggered but not for reasons you might think. Everyone frequently stands up and enthusiastically applauds the competitor that did the knocking down. But sometimes I see two people sparring and I say to myself "a knockdown?!!!" with that wimpy kick... and then I wonder was it really the kick or the punch that knocked the person down or was that competitor medically compromised to begin with. >>>>>> I had a recent experience with this very issue... At our 1998 National Tournament one of my students unfortunately knocked out his opponent (we were sparring by light-contact rules). However, he had hardly touched the guy. It was not only me that thought so, just about everybody watching thought that it was amazing how this guy had gone down. The technique was a very well controlled (and not very fast) reverse turning kick (spinning) that only touched the competitors head lightly After much discussion between the judges and referee, my student was eventually disqualified for excessive contact. It turns out that this guy had a "glass jaw" and seemed to get knocked out regularly. I wonder why he was competing at all! He had been knocked out at their regional tournament only a month or so before. The story has a really great ending though.....The other guy's coach/instructor was a true martial artist, and managed to get the decision overturned, and my student was awarded the bout. Even better, the guy recovered quickly and was not seriously hurt. I do hope that he does give serious consideration as to whether he competes again. Brett Kraiger Wellington, New Zealand brett.kraiger@clear.net.nz ------------------------------ From: Chuck Sears Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:38:56 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #33 > From: > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:13:48 EST > Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest: RE Burnout > > Hi I was just wondering if any one out there has had any experience with > burnout.... > > My instructor and family and people I train with seem to think that it's going > to happen to me so I was just wondering.... > Thank you You can prevent burnout in a variety of ways. The simplest is just to take a break. Go for a week without setting foot in the school or practicing your form. I would still stretch, but that's general health principles. You could also try learning something new. Get your instructor to show you something you've never seen before. Break the daily routine and get out of the rut. ------------------------------ From: Chuck Sears Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:51:46 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #35 > > > From: "Jamaica Power" > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:17:59 PST > Subject: the_dojang: First Aid to Your Attacker?! > > Say you were attacked and you took down your attacker. The attacker > needed some First Aid or CPR. Would you provide it? Would you leave? > Would you call 911? Would you call 911 and stick around or leave in > case the attacker had friends nearby... > > This question came to me from a male martial artist that is hoping to > get into law enforcement and/or perhaps personal security. Thanks. > > If you're not from the US what laws apply to your country. > In our litigation-happy society, if you injure your attacker, you can expect to be sued by him. The best recourse is to call for assistance from 911, get the cops and ambulance out ASAP and file criminal charges against your attacker. Don't drop them. If you leave the scene and leave the guy on the ground, there is a very real chance that you will wind up in jail charged with manslaughter or worse if the bozo dies. The point of view of our screwed up legal system is that, if you incapacitate him, you're responsible for him. How's that for justice? > ------------------------------ > > From: "Jamaica Power" > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:57:13 PST > Subject: the_dojang: The Chicken Dance > > Well this is a term affectionately used by a friend of mine for a hit to > the groin. I figured it was a polite and proper way to address this age > old issue for men and women. > > ...snip... > > Seriously now, what is the best, most effective method for healing and > getting rid of the pain...for men and women. I have been told to kneel > down and breathe deeply for a few moments, then I have seen other > competitors shake it off. etc. I've seen ref's insist the player get > on with the match when they are still in significant distress, others > are told (at competitions) to go sit by their coach in the chair for a > few moments. But I've literally seen some individuals almost pass out > from this nasty event. Thanks. > You ask good questions! So far, the most effective method I've found is to get the competitor up ASAP and have them do the bounce: rise up on the balls of the feet, then drop back down on the heels, while the feet are at least shoulder width apart. Usually, half a dozen good thumps does the trick. For some reason (and I have no idea why), this seems to really reduce the nausea and pain associated with a groin hit. Of course, it also leads to all kinds of jokes about "shking them back down from behind the breastbone", etc., but whattya expect from a bunch of guys, right? :-) ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:08:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: Knock-Outs > It turns out that this guy had a "glass jaw" and seemed to get knocked out > regularly. I wonder why he was competing at all! He had been knocked out at > their regional tournament only a month or so before. Many, not all, knockouts result from hitting a pressure/vital point. A blow to just under the ear, a upperward blow to the side/mid-point of the jaw, etc. There are many of them. Learning them means learning where they are located plus the direction of the force required to best activate them. When you work pressure points with a variety of people you'll see that some folks are moderately sensitive to all pressure points, while others are VERY sensitive to some, but far less sensitive to others. So what you're probably seeing with those that seem to get knocked out easily is that they are particularly sensitive to the wrong pressure points, or at least the wrong pressure points for those that want to engage in boxing, martial arts, etc. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:12:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: BOUNCE the_dojang: Non-member submission from [Michael Osier (fwd) You are subscribed as mail1@chloe.hgs.yale.edu. Please correct. Ray - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forwarded message: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:35:37 -0500 (EST) To: the_dojang-owner Subject: BOUNCE the_dojang: Non-member submission from [Michael Osier ] From: Michael Osier Reply-To: Michael Osier Subject: Re: Women instructors/male students On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 "Jamaica Power" wrote: > So what's your experience, good/bad/indifferent as to women instructors > and male students in particular but also women instructors in general. One of the more interesting positions I've been in while sparring was with a female instructor who is several inches shorter than me. One minute we're facing each other, the next she has bopped me on the nose with a downward kick. :) My experience has been about the same with both male and female instructors. Each instructor brings their own contribution to the art and I've benefitted from all I've had the pleasure to train with. Michael - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Osier = michael.osier@yale.edu | "He is not well rounded who does http://chloe.hgs.yale.edu/~og/ | not have an equally keen interest BS Biochemical Science - UVM | in all of the things within the Yale University | compass of painting." Human Genetics - Og | Leonardo da Vinci ------------------------------ From: Shara Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:57:54 -0500 Subject: [none] >So what's your experience, good/bad/indifferent as to women instructors and male students in particular but also women instructors in general. >Jamaica >jamaica_power@hotmail.com > This is an interesting question and one that was brought to the front of my mind last fall. Before then, I had always been part of a training hall in which the head instructors were a husband/wife team. Our students were male and female and ranged from 5yrs. to adults. As an assistant instructor, I had been expected to help all the students and although I was often instructing lower belts old enough to be my father, neither my gender or age was ever an issue. I never felt like there were any differences in the way the male and female students were treated during practice and some of the most influential instructors in my life have been women. However, this fall I started college and the club here is predominantly 20 something males. The club has ties to my home school, so the rank and everything transferred without any issues. It was a little awkward for everyone when I was put into the rotation for instructing but I think it was due to the fact that none of us really knew each other more than anything else. (since it is a university club, we have 3 instructors who take turns teaching rather than a 'chief' instructor who leads class every time). After a while, we were all comfortable with each other as martial artists and respected each other and our abilities. When I'm instructing, gender doesn't really come into play. The times I've found that gender is an issue is during sparring. I have heard a few of the guys say that they don't like to spar with me which is a little disturbing, but the situation is improving. It seems some guys don't want to fight with me because they were taught not to hit girls and one guy who was a much lower rank said he just couldn't take getting beaten in a fight by a girl regardless of rank. Any comments on this? Any of you women had similar experiences? Or do any guys want to share their feelings about sparring with women? Shara Hancock hancocsr@muohio.edu Fast as the wind, Quiet as the forest, Aggressive as fire, and Immovable as a mountain. - Samurai Battle Banner ------------------------------ From: Aaron J Woodburn Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:02:51 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The Chicken Dance in issue 35' Jamacia Wrote: Seriously now, what is the best, most effective method for healing and getting rid of the pain...for men and women. I have been told to kneel down and breathe deeply for a few moments, then I have seen other competitors shake it off. etc. I've seen ref's insist the player get on with the match when they are still in significant distress, others are told (at competitions) to go sit by their coach in the chair for a few moments. ++==========================================++ I have seen honey used although I dont know the reasoning behind it, probably somthing to do with sugar. I maintain the best treatment is lying down on your back with your knees bent and doing Ki exercises (breathing into your stomach slowly with your eyes closed, meditating), this always helps, not only with the pain but with the anger; face it guys (and Gals), we get pretty pissed when someone rings the Family Jewels, and it is very important to face your opponent with a clear mind and a sound body. *never go into a ring angry, you'll always beat yourself* AJ Woodburn Dragon102@juno.com 2nd Dan, TSD ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:24:24 EST Subject: the_dojang: Safety Tip I don't know how many times I see people being careless with money in public. I guess since I have lived in big cities and in the county, I've seen both sides. It does seem that people in the country are more careless. Today I saw a lady with a $100 bill in her wallet/purse at the post office. Sure, maybe I notice things a little more than others, but the fact is that I saw the money and that means others could too. It would have been very easy to snach the purse from her outside and run. I thought about saying something to her, but was looking sort of grungy and probably would have scared her. Just play it safe. If you are carrying larger amounts of cash, keep in from other's view. Why advertise? Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:10:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Words > What single event in your entire martial art training, teaching or experience, > has had a profound impact upon your person that you feel the effect of even > to this day? My turn... A little before 1980 I was making the switch from Tang Soo Do to Taekwondo (relocation to a new town and all). I was impressed by my new instructor, as many of us are. His physical skills were far superior that mine, he was amazingly flexible, yet trememdously strong. Built much heavier across the chest and shoulders that many Koreans. After time I began to notice that he NEVER missed teaching a class. We had a great many highly talented Dans that were very capable of teaching, but he LOVED to teach. He loved the martial arts. What I finally learned was that he loved whatever he challenged himself with. If he was ill he would just put a sweatshirt on under his dobak and come teach class. If if was playing tennis he worked and worked and worked and got his USTA ranking up from a 3.0 to a 5.0. He completed a M.S. and a Ph.D. Once each year he taught us how to party at our annual dojang tourny/celebration. His lesson... Whatever you do, do it with your all. Make the right decisions of what to get involved with and then get involved with passion, dedication, and ALL your effort. Except nothing from yourself but the best, force yourself to be the best. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:11:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #36 ******************************* Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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