From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #42 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 22 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 042 In this issue: the_dojang: Ki/chi the_dojang: Romance in the Dojang the_dojang: Re: Romance in the Dojang the_dojang: Re: Romance in the dojang the_dojang: RE: Romance in the Dojang the_dojang: MA and pregnancy the_dojang: frustration the_dojang: Hummmm..... the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:25:06 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Ki/chi Hello all, Scott, I don't know if what i will say is going to help you or start another discussion. Having studied holistic healing and being a Reiki master I would just have to comment on this. Reiki, is one of many ways of applying energy to re-aline the chakras or you could say chi energy to promote healing, health and balance. It seemed to me that you were asking about Ki energy in objects we do not consider alive. However, they are alive in the sense that they are made up of molecules (protons/neutrons/electrons) which can have certain reactions to things such as heat (energy), wind (energy), water (energy). Everything has an energy to it (which is why we have harnessed that energy for electricity over many years), everything can have a reaction to an action, hence the sword bends against the ki energy. It is possible to channel this energy to change things (not like alchemy sp?) but to redirect or restore energy. Think about this, when you are doing an aerobic workout like sparring, what is your energy like and where do you feel you energy? The next time you spar or do an aerobic type of workout - try breathing deep and focusing your energy/ki on you goal, what is your energy like and where do you feel your energy? try this a few times and note the differences. Nothing is different physiologically. You are doing the same exercise, but your intent, focus and energy/ki are in alinement to acheive a certain goal. Thus you ki energy has changed. Science and other sources have come to acknowledge these forces as exsisting (they actually have proof of ten deminsions, ki energy or the human energy field would be one of these - from japanese scientists and others). However they have very fews ways of quantifying and controlling the energy/ki, making standard experiments with independent and dependent variables almost impossible. This is making is a very long and drawn out process to apply in every day life and medical practices. Albert Einstien and many other famous scientist have discovered and laid the ground work for science to look into energy such as the ki/chi, however nobody seems ready to accept the fact that we, as human beings, energy. We have energy within our physical self that can be used outside of our physical self. The proof is there, it is just a matter of time before this door swings wide open to the world of science and to us. "The real voyage of Discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes." Marcel Proust Through the practice of Reiki and TSD's Chil Sung forms I have experienced the ki energy's in ways which are virtually impossible to discribe with words. The ki energy is as individual as the human being who holds it, making each person's energy/ki as usinque as their fingerprint. I hope the disscussion of Ki/chi energy continues on this list and I would be interested in hearing from people who have experienced it. Stacy Owen Cho Dan in TSD and Reiki Master ------------------------------ From: Heidi Strom Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:02:52 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Romance in the Dojang I had to throw my $.02 in on this thread because it's close to home. My boyfriend of 7 years is the one who got me started in the martial arts. I was a freshman in college, he was a junior and a blue belt/red stripe. He told me how great it would be, so I finally went along. That was 10 years ago and I've been doing tae kwon do ever since -- so the romance with the martial art was first, and with the boyfriend was second! The irony is that, although he got his black belt first, he had to discontinue training during graduate school and medical school (and recent ACL surgery didn't help) ... so I now outrank him as a 2nd dan. Our little joke around the house is that he has to call me "ma'am." I think respect is the key. Whenever we've trained together, we've been serious about treating one another as fellow martial artists. And he was and still is one of my primary role models in the arts. On a side note, our instructor in college days married a black belt and during their reception, they changed into doboks and did a forms demonstration for the guests. I always thought it would be cute to have a wedding cake with 2 figures in uniform on the top. Heidi in DC 2nd dan WTF TKD ------------------------------ From: jberwin@sc45.dseg.ti.com (John Brett Erwin 972-952-3738 ERWN) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:01:31 -0600 (CST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Romance in the Dojang If two people are in love, nothing should come between them. People should just be professional and mature about things. I don't think there's ever really a problem with "romance" in the dojang. But... When the romance ends, is when it gets hairy. A nasty breakup, divorce, etc. This type of tension can often lead to one of them leaving the dojang permanently. When I was a freshman at Auburn (WAR EAGLE!!!) my girlfriend of only a few months watched me compete at a tournament as a brown belt (2cd Gup). A few weeks later, she signed up for classes, and didn't even tell me about it! I was a little nervous about it at first, but it didn't matter. I married her 5 years later. We are now both certified instructors and 3rd degree black belts. There was never any weird situations or awkwardness in the dojang, even when I was teaching and she was still a student. Just be grown up about it. We just treat each other like best friends in the dojang - which is accurrate. No big deal. Brett Erwin Allen, TX jberwin@ti.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:36:24 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Romance in the dojang When I separated from my husband 2+ years ago, my older son decided that I could *only* date doctors or blackbelts. When I asked him why, he told me that they were the only people he had ever seen treat me with respect. I must admit that I shied away from dating guys in the dojang because it was just too weird to have a nice dinner with someone on Friday night and then, when the uniforms were on Saturday morning, bow and say "Yes sir!" to the same guy. Part of the reason I agreed to marry my s/o is a story I like to tell. We met on-line. (yeah, yeah, I know about the perils of doing so...it wasn't like that, really...you can stop laughing now) One of our first dates he watched me break wood at a tournament. .. His reaction was "cool, if we ever get jumped, you can beat the guy up!" After being vaguely threatened by several black belts (starting at E Dan) about if he ever hurt me...he made it clear that he didn't need their threats to be with me, he thought I was special enough as is. *sigh* Tang Soo! Karla ------------------------------ From: "Lasich, Mark D." Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:41:34 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Romance in the Dojang OK, here's my $0.50 worth: If you have two people committed to being the best they can inside and outside the Dojang, their relationship SHOULD NOT interfere with their duties, roles, training, etc. I have been in situations where a Mother was concerned about judging her child at a tournament. My comments to here were, "If you can not be impartial, find a replacement judge." She choose to stay and, from my point of view, was indeed impartial. Judging your students against those from other schools at a tournament could also be difficult if you did not have the INTEGRITY to do so impartially. I guess it boils down to whether or not you let the relationship, whatever the relationship may be, get in the way of your training, instructing, and judging. If it does not get in the way, I see no reason why it can't continue OUTSIDE the dojang. Perhaps this is all part of your training: developing the integrity within yourself and the respect, for your art and those practicing your art, that emotional issues do not interfere! In the spirit of TKD... Mark.Lasich@alcoa.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:32:58 PST Subject: the_dojang: MA and pregnancy The first thought that came to my mind on this great thread is not why wouldn't you continue working out but "why would you?" I find this an interesting topic especially since we just continued threads on the high risk and dangers associated with martial arts. I know women are being supported and almost pushed into continuing all of their exercise activities that they were doing prior to pregnancy. I guess that's womens rights and for some it works. I figure a couple more years down the line and the new statistics will be out that show why women shouldn't be doing it. That's the way it usually goes. My first concern would be for the baby, then my own health, although they are really one and the same. My next concern would be for my classmates. I personally find it interesting that anyone would just assume that everyone in class should want to continue to work out with someone that's pregnant or to have the classes adapted when you consider the high risk factor not only when you're healthy but when your pregnant. I hate to say it but not everybody is into having children. I do realize some schools operate more as families and certainly that's the schools decision. I'm just throwing a few thoughts out there. I think we put our classmates and instructors in a very compromising position resulting from our own personal choice. If they like you in class they would certainly find it difficult to turn down your request to continue to work out. Even if every precaution is taken as to keeping the individual safe I know from personal experience that kicking/punching/pushing/shoving/falling accidents happen no matter what precautious we take. I would hate to be the one that it happened to or the person that caused an injury to someone with child. Injuries and accidents are hard enough if caused by or resulting from a stranger but can you imagine if it happened by one of your closest friends in class? It would be devastating for all parties and a wound that would take a long time to heal or probably never mend. Since this is a personal choice (getting pregnant) then I think as one option we should at least consider the noble road and put aside something we love for a few months (martial arts) and continue to work out at home until that other something we love arrives. It's not like you're giving up the sport forever. Just taking a sabbatical. Don't even have to quit training, just do it in a safer environment, maybe with a few friends at home. And maybe I just have to get with the new way of thinking. Maybe I'm as you would say, old-fashioned. I know it's worked for some and that's great. If I were put into that position I would probably make the choice of going on a sabbatical myself until my friends pregnancy was completed. If there were enough class choices and days available then I would try and reschedule my times. Just wouldn't be worth the risk! Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Sara" Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 14:28:56 PST Subject: the_dojang: frustration Question for experienced martial artists: How do you handle the "bad day syndrome," when nothing seems to go right even though you *know* the techniques or form you are working on? And then, how do you help your students work through that frustration? one_sara@hotmail.com "The Lord is my light and my salvation. Whom shall I fear?" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:52:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Hummmm..... Hummm... Romance in the dojang and training while pregnant. Wonder why those two threads are active at the same time??? :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:53:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #42 ******************************* Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. 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