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The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 23 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 045
In this issue:
the_dojang: Re: stretching
the_dojang: sendmail & PERL help needed
the_dojang: Re: frustration
the_dojang: thanks
the_dojang: fighter vs. artist/David Steffen
the_dojang: RE: Frustration
the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #44
the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #44
the_dojang: different styles
the_dojang: Leaving/Returning to the Martial Arts
the_dojang: Stretching Manual
the_dojang: more sadness
the_dojang: Compliments and Thanks to Ray
Re: the_dojang: more sadness
Re: the_dojang: Stretching Manual
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From:
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:26:11 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re: stretching
eduardo wrote:
<< I am looking for a Stretching book or manual, If anybody could help me I
would appreciate >>
eduardo,
try brad appleton's stretching faq. it's great information:
Stretching and Flexibility -
Table of Contents or,
http://www.bl.physik.tu-muenchen.de/~k2/budo/sfaq/stretching_toc.html
hope this helps,
melinda
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From:
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:12:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: the_dojang: sendmail & PERL help needed
A couple of folks have tried to help me fix the bug with the missing 'From:'
lines in the digest msgs. The latest person's Ex-wife just replied to my
most recent status request e-mail telling me that she got the computer in the
divorce, thus he would not be able to help. ???
Anyway, any other volunteers? Not sure, but it probably requires some basic
knowledge of sendmail, more than basic knowledge of PERL, and perhaps even a
little knowledge of majordomo's scripts. But I have a set of problem
documentation that might be sufficient in the area of majordomo and its
associated scripts. As ya'll may recall the problem began when I upgraded
from one version of Unix to another.
Anyone??
Ray Terry
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From: Michael Osier
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:11:53 +0000 ( )
Subject: the_dojang: Re: frustration
> How do you handle the "bad day syndrome," when nothing seems to go right
> even though you *know* the techniques or form you are working on?
With the short fuse I have, dealing with frustration was one of the main
reasons I started in TKD. So when I had (have :) a bad day, I redirect
the energy as appropriate. Deep breaths help to calm me down, while I
release the rest of the energy in strong kicks (while focusing on keeping
the anger from playing a role in the kick). Basically, I do everything I
can do to use the energy while trying to reduce the anger.
> And then, how do you help your students work through that frustration?
Repeated reassurances in a calm, steady voice: almost like saying "nice
kitty" to a roaring tiger. I can't deal with their anger, but I can try
to present a calm environment to make it easier for them.
Michael
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From: "Perry Seto"
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:44:47 -0800
Subject: the_dojang: thanks
Thanks for the post, Melinda. It's nice to find a forum like the Digest.
It's also good to be back into TKD again. Though sometimes I think my body
is going "What the Hell are you doing? You haven't done this in years!!"
:-) But as with most things .... the longer I keep training, the more some
of the techniques start coming back.
I'm glad to meet another "short" person. Being short has never bothered me
but has always made it a bit of a challenge when it same to sparring. With
TKD being such a kick oriented art, I found that kicking my opponent was not
always possible (unless I wanted to break his knee cap - like in a real life
situation) :-)
I would like your/anyone's comments on how you deal with sparring "bigger"
people - especially in today's world where it seems like noone punches and
noone scores punches. In my club I just punch them anyway. It may not
"score" but it defnitely lets them know I'm "there". My strategy has always
been to make sure I try to not let bigger guys get full extension on me with
their techniques. I either stay out of their reach and keep moving until I
can close or, when they attack, I rely on moving away angularly or move in
and jam. I genrally follow jams with punches first then kicks, if I can.
I've found sparring with the younger guys in the club (they're all younger -
I'm the second oldest guy in class) that they are very subsceptible to
punches - they usually fight with their hands down - Olympic style.
Anyway, those are some preliminary thoughts. I could probably expound a
little more but would rather hear what other people have to say.
Thanks.
- -Perry-
pseto@aptl.com
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From: David Steffen
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:02:08 -0700 (MST)
Subject: the_dojang: fighter vs. artist/David Steffen
> From: "Lasich, Mark D."
> Mr. Steffen,
>
> WOW, I have to applaud you for your insight and ability to put into
> words what I have been thinking for so long!
Thanks, glad you liked it. I tend to write these things at 2 in the
morning, and they don't always make a lot of sense! ;-)
[SNIP]
> It is a hard balance, but respect and discipline go with the hard
> physical work of any martial art. Remember the Um-Yang (Ying-Yang)?
> Can't really have one without the other!
Precisely. The formality is IMHO one part of the mental/spiritual
training that _should_ go along with the physical training.
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Dave Steffen Wave after wave will flow with the tide
Dept. of Physics And bury the world as it does
Colorado State University Tide after tide will flow and recede
steffend@lamar.colostate.edu Leaving life to go on as it was...
- Peart / RUSH
"The reason that our people suffer in this way....
is that our ancestors failed to rule wisely". -General Choi, Hong Hi
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From:
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:10:19 -0800
Subject: the_dojang: RE: Frustration
It's inevitable that you are going to have "bad hair days" :-) in the
dojang, both as a student and an instructor. What we have to remember,
INMHO, is that martial arts are for life, not for today.
If you're having a bad day, both yourself and your students, accept it!
I don't mean to just laugh about it and come back tomorrow. I mean
accept that it's telling you something that you need to know.
Look at how you felt before workout. Was your body telling you
something?
How about your students? Did they look tired, were they restless?
Did you make mistakes in demonstrating techniques? What mistakes?
I'm not saying you should spend hours navel gazing. But, you should
spend a little time assessing what happened, and logging it for future
reference, either in your head or on paper.
MA is about knowing yourself, not just how your hands, legs and feet
move, but how you communicate, how you feel, and how you react.
I hope this doesn't come across too pompous. It's part of what I was
taught many "training for trainers" courses over the years. I should
really look at it and find a more relaxed way to say it. ;-)
Ian McMillan
Mt. Lehman TKD
BC, Canada
mtlehmantaekwondo@home.com
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From: wayne allen
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:27:27 -0500
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #44
> From: Eduardo Miranda
> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:29:38 -0200
> Subject: the_dojang: Stretching Manual
>
> I am looking for a Stretching book or manual, If anybody could help me I
> would appreciate
>
> Eduardo Miranda
> dudamir@uol.com.br----------------------------
A really nice write-up is on the web (and free), just try the URL below to get you there.
http://www.enteract.com/~bradapp/docs/rec/stretching/
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From: John Hancock <4karate@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 13:34:53 -0500
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #44
> An 11-year-old Emily Rosa came up with an experiment that clearly
> demonstrated practicers of therapeutic touch were no better at detecting
> an "energy field" than if they had just guessed.
> Michael
> 1st Dan TKD
> Ph.D student in Human Genetics, Yale University
>
True..it was a fine example from a 11 year future scientist. However...it has one major flaw....Emily herself participated in the experiment. Therefore...it lost a bit of authenticity for me. I think the jury is still out on the Human Energy Field. I would have been much happier if it had been some sort of double blind study.
John Hancock
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From: David Steffen
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:36:13 -0700 (MST)
Subject: the_dojang: different styles
> From: Mika =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E4rvinen?=
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Is it harmful to my ITF-Taekwondo style to take lessons from other
> martial art-styles ie. Taido, Aikido. I am pretty satisfied of our
> methods, but I want to learn different styles. Should I practise
> Hapkido or some other korean style?
There are several viewpoints on this issue.
First, check with your instructor. They are in charge of your
training, so they are more qualified than anyone else to judge.
I personally encourage my students to cross-train, but ONLY after
developing a solid foundation in TKD first. To me, that usually means
2nd Dan or so. One of the difficulties in cross-training is that the
other style frequently contradicts something in TKD - philosophically
or technically. I've found it takes a lot of maturity, as well as a
strong foundation in your "mother art" to understand and reconcile
these differences.
However, I believe cross-training could be damaging if you try it too
early. A green belt (for example) has better things (read: more
important things) to do than screw around with Aikido - at that
level, there's far too much TKD to learn.
I personally cross-train in Matayoshi Kobudo (a traditional Okinawan
weapons system) and Aikido when I have the time. I've also done
Wado-Ryu Karate, a little Goju-Ryu, and some jujitsu. I've found the
experiences to be _very_ rewarding. It's good to have something to
compare TKD to - it gives you a feeling for how our art fits in to
the big picture.
However, I should point out that A) my instructor approves of me
doing this, and B) I hold a 4th Dan in the ITF, so I can reasonably
claim to know what I'm doing. ;-)
One other note: you can sometimes get in trouble because of this. For
example, in the ITF there are some people (very high ranking) who's
opposition to cross-training borders on paranoia. (There are good and
bad reasons for this - or, more accurately, bad and _really_ bad
reasons! ;-) I tend to keep my cross-training low key, and
out-of-sight of the ITF upper ranks - not because my Grand Master
would object, but because I don't want to give anyone any political
ammunition.
(So y'all just keep quiet about this, OK? ;-) ;-)
So, I'd strongly recommend that you check with your instructor
first. If your instructor approves, he/she might have some
suggestions about styles and instructors.
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Dave Steffen Wave after wave will flow with the tide
Dept. of Physics And bury the world as it does
Colorado State University Tide after tide will flow and recede
steffend@lamar.colostate.edu Leaving life to go on as it was...
- Peart / RUSH
"The reason that our people suffer in this way....
is that our ancestors failed to rule wisely". -General Choi, Hong Hi
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From: "Jamaica Power"
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:05:40 PST
Subject: the_dojang: Leaving/Returning to the Martial Arts
Over time I've read quite a few posts where people have indicated they
had to leave the martial arts for awhile, sometimes for a few months,
sometimes for quite a few years. Some of the reasons were: pregnancy,
illness, school, political conflict, job changes, military assignments,
etc. but it never left their hearts or minds.
When people leave the arts for whatever reason and then return I am sure
that we all have a different take on it for many reasons. Everyone
probably returns also in a different capacity. Perhaps if you were an
instructor you no longer choose to instruct; if you were a competitor
perhaps you no longer see competition as a priority anymore. Maybe
you've returned to the same school you left but it no longer seems the
same and so you had to seek out a new school, maybe even a new style.
Well I'm sure I've just touched on the many reasons and was wondering if
there are more out there. Was returning a positive experience? Was it
better the second or third time or were you disillusioned?
If you've had the good fortune to be a life-er I would also be
interested if you had students returning after a leave and what changes
you noticed or issues did you have to deal with including getting the
students up to speed on the changes. If they were a black belt did they
still meet school criteria for a black belt?
Thanks.
Jamaica
jamaica_power@hotmail.com
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From: "Jamaica Power"
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 13:49:43 PST
Subject: the_dojang: Stretching Manual
Eduardo you asked for a stretching manual. Quite possibly the best one
out there and most utilized by martial artists is Brad Appleton's
ftp://ftp.enteract.com/users/bradapp/rec/stretching/
You might have to download Adobe Acrobat to access these files.
I believe it is also in hard copy.
Jamaica
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From:
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:07:28 EST
Subject: the_dojang: more sadness
All,
I rec'd a call today that a young man I know (19) was injured today at a
tournament. He took a spinning kick to the head. He was rushed via
helicopter to the best critical care unit in the area. He was "awake" but not
very coherent. I was NOT there and am not relating this to you as
information, per se. Rather, it is therapy of a sort for me and actually has
a bright spot I'd like to share. Please note that I have purposefully left out
details and choosen vague words. This is because I do not feel it is my place
to report on this accident.
The bright area, IMO is that prior to today's tourney the-powers-that-be sat
down at a meeting and said "lets have a designated doc on hand for this
tourney" AND they did. And thank God or any/every power you believe it that
they did!! As I write I have no further info., am very upset and am feeling
so damn helpless! I rec'd the call several hours ago and was one of the first
people to know outside of the eye-witnesses. There simply hasn't yet been an
update.
Several people have posted on potential solutions, ways to better tourneys and
improve safety gear. Some have even suggested that we DEMAND certain actions
be taken. The question becomes, outside of boycotting the tournaments HOW do
we organize a grass-root approach to make these demands? To WHOM do we
write/email/call? The tournament had appropriate medical care on hand.
BUT...I keep thinking if it had been another major area tournament he usually
competes in there WOULD NOT have been adequate medical care. I think now is a
great time, an over-due time to establish a bare minimum of standards for all
tournaments to adhere to.
All help is appreciated,
Dawne
No1IDIC@aol.com
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From: "Jamaica Power"
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:17:09 PST
Subject: the_dojang: Compliments and Thanks to Ray
I want to take a moment to compliment Ray for this great forum, for
allowing us to have this type of venue to discuss such sensitive issues
such as groin shots, pregnancies in the dojang, and the risk and dangers
of pursuing martial arts - in such a respectable format. Issues that
are delicate but really need to be addressed. And for allowing us to
discuss them in each of our own unique languages and styles of
communication. No small task for Ray for sure.
So thanks, Ray and to all the members of this digest that take the time
to respond and to risk evaluation and critique by their peers.
And thanks also for reading and responding to my thoughts via the digest
or private email. Much appreciated. I learn much from this forum..
Jamaica
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From:
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:47:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: the_dojang: more sadness
> Several people have posted on potential solutions, ways to better tourneys and
> improve safety gear. Some have even suggested that we DEMAND certain actions
> be taken. The question becomes, outside of boycotting the tournaments HOW do
> we organize a grass-root approach to make these demands? To WHOM do we
> write/email/call?
You didn't mention if this was a USTU or USTF or ATA or ?? tourny. But either
way writing letters to the org's main office is always a reasonable approach.
IMHO, the letters should express your concerns, but also your ideas for how to
improve the situation. Saying "things must change!" doesn't do nearly as
well as "perhaps [fill-in-the-black] is one possible way to improve our
art/sport's competitive events".
Ray Terry
raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com
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From:
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:50:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: the_dojang: Stretching Manual
> Eduardo you asked for a stretching manual. Quite possibly the best one
> out there and most utilized by martial artists is Brad Appleton's
> ftp://ftp.enteract.com/users/bradapp/rec/stretching/
Brad's FAQ is also accessible from our website,
http://www.martialartsresource.com
Ray Terry
raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 15:01:49 -0800 (PST)
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