From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #45 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 23 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 045 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: stretching the_dojang: sendmail & PERL help needed the_dojang: Re: frustration the_dojang: thanks the_dojang: fighter vs. artist/David Steffen the_dojang: RE: Frustration the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #44 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #44 the_dojang: different styles the_dojang: Leaving/Returning to the Martial Arts the_dojang: Stretching Manual the_dojang: more sadness the_dojang: Compliments and Thanks to Ray Re: the_dojang: more sadness Re: the_dojang: Stretching Manual the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! 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Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:26:11 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: stretching eduardo wrote: << I am looking for a Stretching book or manual, If anybody could help me I would appreciate >> eduardo, try brad appleton's stretching faq. it's great information: Stretching and Flexibility - Table of Contents or, http://www.bl.physik.tu-muenchen.de/~k2/budo/sfaq/stretching_toc.html hope this helps, melinda ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:12:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: sendmail & PERL help needed A couple of folks have tried to help me fix the bug with the missing 'From:' lines in the digest msgs. The latest person's Ex-wife just replied to my most recent status request e-mail telling me that she got the computer in the divorce, thus he would not be able to help. ??? Anyway, any other volunteers? Not sure, but it probably requires some basic knowledge of sendmail, more than basic knowledge of PERL, and perhaps even a little knowledge of majordomo's scripts. But I have a set of problem documentation that might be sufficient in the area of majordomo and its associated scripts. As ya'll may recall the problem began when I upgraded from one version of Unix to another. Anyone?? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Michael Osier Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:11:53 +0000 ( ) Subject: the_dojang: Re: frustration > How do you handle the "bad day syndrome," when nothing seems to go right > even though you *know* the techniques or form you are working on? With the short fuse I have, dealing with frustration was one of the main reasons I started in TKD. So when I had (have :) a bad day, I redirect the energy as appropriate. Deep breaths help to calm me down, while I release the rest of the energy in strong kicks (while focusing on keeping the anger from playing a role in the kick). Basically, I do everything I can do to use the energy while trying to reduce the anger. > And then, how do you help your students work through that frustration? Repeated reassurances in a calm, steady voice: almost like saying "nice kitty" to a roaring tiger. I can't deal with their anger, but I can try to present a calm environment to make it easier for them. Michael - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Osier = michael.osier@yale.edu | "He is not well rounded who does http://chloe.hgs.yale.edu/~og/ | not have an equally keen interest BS Biochemical Science - UVM | in all of the things within the Yale University | compass of painting." Human Genetics - Og | Leonardo da Vinci ------------------------------ From: "Perry Seto" Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:44:47 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: thanks Thanks for the post, Melinda. It's nice to find a forum like the Digest. It's also good to be back into TKD again. Though sometimes I think my body is going "What the Hell are you doing? You haven't done this in years!!" :-) But as with most things .... the longer I keep training, the more some of the techniques start coming back. I'm glad to meet another "short" person. Being short has never bothered me but has always made it a bit of a challenge when it same to sparring. With TKD being such a kick oriented art, I found that kicking my opponent was not always possible (unless I wanted to break his knee cap - like in a real life situation) :-) I would like your/anyone's comments on how you deal with sparring "bigger" people - especially in today's world where it seems like noone punches and noone scores punches. In my club I just punch them anyway. It may not "score" but it defnitely lets them know I'm "there". My strategy has always been to make sure I try to not let bigger guys get full extension on me with their techniques. I either stay out of their reach and keep moving until I can close or, when they attack, I rely on moving away angularly or move in and jam. I genrally follow jams with punches first then kicks, if I can. I've found sparring with the younger guys in the club (they're all younger - I'm the second oldest guy in class) that they are very subsceptible to punches - they usually fight with their hands down - Olympic style. Anyway, those are some preliminary thoughts. I could probably expound a little more but would rather hear what other people have to say. Thanks. - -Perry- pseto@aptl.com ------------------------------ From: David Steffen Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:02:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: the_dojang: fighter vs. artist/David Steffen > From: "Lasich, Mark D." > Mr. Steffen, > > WOW, I have to applaud you for your insight and ability to put into > words what I have been thinking for so long! Thanks, glad you liked it. I tend to write these things at 2 in the morning, and they don't always make a lot of sense! ;-) [SNIP] > It is a hard balance, but respect and discipline go with the hard > physical work of any martial art. Remember the Um-Yang (Ying-Yang)? > Can't really have one without the other! Precisely. The formality is IMHO one part of the mental/spiritual training that _should_ go along with the physical training. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Steffen Wave after wave will flow with the tide Dept. of Physics And bury the world as it does Colorado State University Tide after tide will flow and recede steffend@lamar.colostate.edu Leaving life to go on as it was... - Peart / RUSH "The reason that our people suffer in this way.... is that our ancestors failed to rule wisely". -General Choi, Hong Hi ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:10:19 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Frustration It's inevitable that you are going to have "bad hair days" :-) in the dojang, both as a student and an instructor. What we have to remember, INMHO, is that martial arts are for life, not for today. If you're having a bad day, both yourself and your students, accept it! I don't mean to just laugh about it and come back tomorrow. I mean accept that it's telling you something that you need to know. Look at how you felt before workout. Was your body telling you something? How about your students? Did they look tired, were they restless? Did you make mistakes in demonstrating techniques? What mistakes? I'm not saying you should spend hours navel gazing. But, you should spend a little time assessing what happened, and logging it for future reference, either in your head or on paper. MA is about knowing yourself, not just how your hands, legs and feet move, but how you communicate, how you feel, and how you react. I hope this doesn't come across too pompous. It's part of what I was taught many "training for trainers" courses over the years. I should really look at it and find a more relaxed way to say it. ;-) Ian McMillan Mt. Lehman TKD BC, Canada mtlehmantaekwondo@home.com ------------------------------ From: wayne allen Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:27:27 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #44 > From: Eduardo Miranda > Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:29:38 -0200 > Subject: the_dojang: Stretching Manual > > I am looking for a Stretching book or manual, If anybody could help me I > would appreciate > > Eduardo Miranda > dudamir@uol.com.br---------------------------- A really nice write-up is on the web (and free), just try the URL below to get you there. http://www.enteract.com/~bradapp/docs/rec/stretching/ ------------------------------ From: John Hancock <4karate@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 13:34:53 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #44 > An 11-year-old Emily Rosa came up with an experiment that clearly > demonstrated practicers of therapeutic touch were no better at detecting > an "energy field" than if they had just guessed. > Michael > 1st Dan TKD > Ph.D student in Human Genetics, Yale University > True..it was a fine example from a 11 year future scientist. However...it has one major flaw....Emily herself participated in the experiment. Therefore...it lost a bit of authenticity for me. I think the jury is still out on the Human Energy Field. I would have been much happier if it had been some sort of double blind study. John Hancock ------------------------------ From: David Steffen Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:36:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: the_dojang: different styles > From: Mika =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E4rvinen?= > > Hi folks, > > Is it harmful to my ITF-Taekwondo style to take lessons from other > martial art-styles ie. Taido, Aikido. I am pretty satisfied of our > methods, but I want to learn different styles. Should I practise > Hapkido or some other korean style? There are several viewpoints on this issue. First, check with your instructor. They are in charge of your training, so they are more qualified than anyone else to judge. I personally encourage my students to cross-train, but ONLY after developing a solid foundation in TKD first. To me, that usually means 2nd Dan or so. One of the difficulties in cross-training is that the other style frequently contradicts something in TKD - philosophically or technically. I've found it takes a lot of maturity, as well as a strong foundation in your "mother art" to understand and reconcile these differences. However, I believe cross-training could be damaging if you try it too early. A green belt (for example) has better things (read: more important things) to do than screw around with Aikido - at that level, there's far too much TKD to learn. I personally cross-train in Matayoshi Kobudo (a traditional Okinawan weapons system) and Aikido when I have the time. I've also done Wado-Ryu Karate, a little Goju-Ryu, and some jujitsu. I've found the experiences to be _very_ rewarding. It's good to have something to compare TKD to - it gives you a feeling for how our art fits in to the big picture. However, I should point out that A) my instructor approves of me doing this, and B) I hold a 4th Dan in the ITF, so I can reasonably claim to know what I'm doing. ;-) One other note: you can sometimes get in trouble because of this. For example, in the ITF there are some people (very high ranking) who's opposition to cross-training borders on paranoia. (There are good and bad reasons for this - or, more accurately, bad and _really_ bad reasons! ;-) I tend to keep my cross-training low key, and out-of-sight of the ITF upper ranks - not because my Grand Master would object, but because I don't want to give anyone any political ammunition. (So y'all just keep quiet about this, OK? ;-) ;-) So, I'd strongly recommend that you check with your instructor first. If your instructor approves, he/she might have some suggestions about styles and instructors. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Steffen Wave after wave will flow with the tide Dept. of Physics And bury the world as it does Colorado State University Tide after tide will flow and recede steffend@lamar.colostate.edu Leaving life to go on as it was... - Peart / RUSH "The reason that our people suffer in this way.... is that our ancestors failed to rule wisely". -General Choi, Hong Hi ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:05:40 PST Subject: the_dojang: Leaving/Returning to the Martial Arts Over time I've read quite a few posts where people have indicated they had to leave the martial arts for awhile, sometimes for a few months, sometimes for quite a few years. Some of the reasons were: pregnancy, illness, school, political conflict, job changes, military assignments, etc. but it never left their hearts or minds. When people leave the arts for whatever reason and then return I am sure that we all have a different take on it for many reasons. Everyone probably returns also in a different capacity. Perhaps if you were an instructor you no longer choose to instruct; if you were a competitor perhaps you no longer see competition as a priority anymore. Maybe you've returned to the same school you left but it no longer seems the same and so you had to seek out a new school, maybe even a new style. Well I'm sure I've just touched on the many reasons and was wondering if there are more out there. Was returning a positive experience? Was it better the second or third time or were you disillusioned? If you've had the good fortune to be a life-er I would also be interested if you had students returning after a leave and what changes you noticed or issues did you have to deal with including getting the students up to speed on the changes. If they were a black belt did they still meet school criteria for a black belt? Thanks. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 13:49:43 PST Subject: the_dojang: Stretching Manual Eduardo you asked for a stretching manual. Quite possibly the best one out there and most utilized by martial artists is Brad Appleton's ftp://ftp.enteract.com/users/bradapp/rec/stretching/ You might have to download Adobe Acrobat to access these files. I believe it is also in hard copy. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:07:28 EST Subject: the_dojang: more sadness All, I rec'd a call today that a young man I know (19) was injured today at a tournament. He took a spinning kick to the head. He was rushed via helicopter to the best critical care unit in the area. He was "awake" but not very coherent. I was NOT there and am not relating this to you as information, per se. Rather, it is therapy of a sort for me and actually has a bright spot I'd like to share. Please note that I have purposefully left out details and choosen vague words. This is because I do not feel it is my place to report on this accident. The bright area, IMO is that prior to today's tourney the-powers-that-be sat down at a meeting and said "lets have a designated doc on hand for this tourney" AND they did. And thank God or any/every power you believe it that they did!! As I write I have no further info., am very upset and am feeling so damn helpless! I rec'd the call several hours ago and was one of the first people to know outside of the eye-witnesses. There simply hasn't yet been an update. Several people have posted on potential solutions, ways to better tourneys and improve safety gear. Some have even suggested that we DEMAND certain actions be taken. The question becomes, outside of boycotting the tournaments HOW do we organize a grass-root approach to make these demands? To WHOM do we write/email/call? The tournament had appropriate medical care on hand. BUT...I keep thinking if it had been another major area tournament he usually competes in there WOULD NOT have been adequate medical care. I think now is a great time, an over-due time to establish a bare minimum of standards for all tournaments to adhere to. All help is appreciated, Dawne No1IDIC@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:17:09 PST Subject: the_dojang: Compliments and Thanks to Ray I want to take a moment to compliment Ray for this great forum, for allowing us to have this type of venue to discuss such sensitive issues such as groin shots, pregnancies in the dojang, and the risk and dangers of pursuing martial arts - in such a respectable format. Issues that are delicate but really need to be addressed. And for allowing us to discuss them in each of our own unique languages and styles of communication. No small task for Ray for sure. So thanks, Ray and to all the members of this digest that take the time to respond and to risk evaluation and critique by their peers. And thanks also for reading and responding to my thoughts via the digest or private email. Much appreciated. I learn much from this forum.. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:47:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: more sadness > Several people have posted on potential solutions, ways to better tourneys and > improve safety gear. Some have even suggested that we DEMAND certain actions > be taken. The question becomes, outside of boycotting the tournaments HOW do > we organize a grass-root approach to make these demands? To WHOM do we > write/email/call? You didn't mention if this was a USTU or USTF or ATA or ?? tourny. But either way writing letters to the org's main office is always a reasonable approach. IMHO, the letters should express your concerns, but also your ideas for how to improve the situation. Saying "things must change!" doesn't do nearly as well as "perhaps [fill-in-the-black] is one possible way to improve our art/sport's competitive events". Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:50:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Stretching Manual > Eduardo you asked for a stretching manual. Quite possibly the best one > out there and most utilized by martial artists is Brad Appleton's > ftp://ftp.enteract.com/users/bradapp/rec/stretching/ Brad's FAQ is also accessible from our website, http://www.martialartsresource.com Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 15:01:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #45 ******************************* Support the USTU by joining today! 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