From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #47 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 24 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 047 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #46 the_dojang: Women's Studies the_dojang: You be the Judge the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #46 the_dojang: Re: lifer the_dojang: "comebacks" the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #46 the_dojang: netisms? the_dojang: Re: Understanding Ki Re: the_dojang: Re: Understanding Ki the_dojang: "netisms": email acronyms and "emoticons" (fwd) BOUNCE the_dojang: Non-member submission from [Black Belt Systems (fwd) the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hancock <4karate@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:30:35 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #46 > You are refereeing a match - two females, and one of them suddenly gets hit by > Mother Nature. I'm going to assume by this you mean she started her period. > Do you stop the match and let her take care of the little problem? > Do you let her continue knowing how embarrassed she is going to be when she > finds out? > Do you leave the problem to her coach? > Ronda J. Sweet > Ladytkd@aol.com > You stop and give her a 15 min. break due to illness/injury ( I believe most rules allow for this...and if not...they should). If she cannot return to the ring in that time....it is a forfiet. This is common sense. John Hancock ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 08:33:20 PST Subject: the_dojang: Women's Studies Do you stop the match and let her take care of the little problem? Do you let her continue knowing how embarrassed she is going to be when she finds out?Do you leave the problem to her coach? The referees in this ring were so embarrassed, they did nothing and let her fight, unknowing. In the two cases I had, it happened just before the fight started, and I sent coach and competitor off to deal with it and went on to the next match - coming back to them later. But.........What does anyone else think? ========================================== On this one I would have done as you did. Don't know why referees continue to be embarrased about something like this. Heaven's knows we deal with much more than this on a daily level. Martial arts is not a modest sport. Situations arrive and we must deal with them on the spot. There are no written protocols for these types of occurrences. But I think in one way or another we can all relate to these type of circumstances and that includes the men. If someone gets a bloody nose it doesn't seem to affect us in the least, we just deal with it. I thinking tending to those things that need attention just makes it better for everyone involved. These things aren't planned. But I also know when I used to ref that I ran into this same issue as a ref. I went to the head of court and asked for a few moments to tend to some very personal issues. They declined (even thought it was funny). Unbelieveable. I told them that they would be more embarrassed then me if I were not permitted a few moments of personal time. Great topic... Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Eric Mueller Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:38:43 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: You be the Judge The following is in a kids division in which Jr. Safety rules apply: The order to begin (sijak) is given, Red immediately aggresses, Blue executes a one step retreat (Ilbo Whojin) and delivers a roundhouse which strikes red on his left back/buttocks. Red simultaneously delivers a Roundhouse badah-chagi (counter kick) which strikes blue squarely in the chest. Although this kick does make a decent "thwack" Blue is not displaced by this kick, but his forward momentum is stopped. Blue hits red with a weak roundhouse to the back of reds left lower thigh, Red proceeds to deliver a roundouse then a hook kick, neither of which make contact as blue retreats. Red follows up with a strong roundhouse which catches blue squarely in the chest and displaces blue. Blue counters with a right Pick- Chagi (45 Degree Roundhouse) which hits reds Hogu on the left lateral side and causes "Trembling chock" to Reds Hogu. Red throws a high roundhouse which blue easily ducks, and follows up with a skip side kick which strikes blues Hogu in the scoring area and causes blue to stumble back 3-4 steps. The Ref calls Kalyo (break) and determines that blue is OK. Blue and Red are repositioned at the starting marks, and the order to begin (sijak) is given. Red immediately aggresses, blue side steps to the left. Red throws a high Jump front snap to Blue's right which causes blue to shift his body weight and head to his left. Red throws a right roundhouse which catches blue on the left earpiece and neck. The Ref orders (Kalyo) break and checks on blue, who is crying. After 45 seconds Blue has re-donned his headgear and (except for a few sniffles) appears ready to fight. How many points? / for who?? any deductions/penalties?? I will tell the actual outcome in a later post. ------------------------------ From: "John Groff" Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:29:09 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #46 >You are refereeing a match - two females, and one of them suddenly gets hit by >Mother Nature. >Do you stop the match and let her take care of the little problem? >Do you let her continue knowing how embarrassed she is going to be when she >finds out? >Do you leave the problem to her coach? Since blood can be a contaminent, and since sometimes our bodies just plain do unpredictable things, it sounds like temporarily stopping the match is the most sensible thing to do for all concerned. Why would someone let a person who obviously has an easily correctable temporary problem continue fighting? If someone had a -nosebleed-, wouldn't referees halt the match temporarily while tissue or gauze was put in place? Or would they be to embarrassed to stop the match? - --C.J. - ---------- > From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #46 > Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 8:05 AM > > > The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 24 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 046 > > In this issue: [~800 lines deleted. Please do not send issues of the digest back to the list.] ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:28:37 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: lifer Jamaica asked: <> I had to leave the various dojang I've trained at for various reasons: school (2x) and job (2x). Returning meant starting over at a new school(or starting my own)-have been a white belt on several occasions because that was the individual school's policy. My training has always been very important to me and returning was always positive. I've never been disillusioned because each instructor had their strong points on which I've tried to focus and make my own. The only "disillusionment" was with prospective instructors who would look at me solely as a car payment. I had a 3 hour talk with one instructor before joining his school. He remains one of my closest friends to this day. Take Care, Peter M. ------------------------------ From: "Perry Seto" Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:52:23 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: "comebacks" Thanks for another thought provoking post, Jamaica. As I put in my first post, I made my comeback to TKD in 1998 after an 11 year layoff. I have to say that the return has been an overall positive experience but definitely not without its disappointments. As with most of things in life, martial arts evolve, I believe sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse. Its probably a matter of perspective. The thing that has been energizing about my return to TKD is watching and trying to learn some of the "new" techniques that have gained an emphasis over the last ten years - I'm talking about WTF/Olympic style stuff here. In particular the competitors look like they've gotten faster and stronger (or am I getting older and slower?). I am amazed when I watch them do their double, triple and quadruple round house kicks. I still can't get the hang of the turning/spinning 360 roundhouse. (my hips rebel everytime I try these "newfangled" things) And just the sheer athleticism is astounding. Just trying to learn these techniques will probably keep me busy for the next two or three years. :-) On the disappointing side: I think we've lost almost complete touch with the "traditional" aspects of TKD, ie many of the self defense and more "practical " aspects of the art. It has become a martial sport and not necessarily a martial art. For instance, we've gone weeks, probably months, in our class without doing a blocking or punching drill. I don't think I've seen more then a couple of occasions when we've done anything that even closely resembles a self defense technique. These are the things that disappoint me. I hope people don't get me wrong. I still love going to practice and I very much enjoy the workouts. I just miss doing the "old" stuff from time to time. Maybe somebody else can jump in here. For those of you who have been around TKD awhile, say 15 - 25 years, how have your dojangs changed? Do you still do as many "traditional" drills and techniques as you did 5, 10, 15, 20 years ago? (This is particularly aimed at the WTF/Olympic guys.) That brings me to another philisophical point. What is a "traditional" style or technique? Is it traditional because we did it 15 years ago. What about the tecniques people are doing today. Will they be the "traditional" tecniques in 15 years. Is it traditional because somebody told us it was? WOW ... starting to get too deep for my simple brain. :-) Anyway, would love to hear what you all have to say. Thanks. - -Perry- pseto@aptl.com ------------------------------ From: "The Hostetlers" Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:54:13 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #46 >From: >Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:46:34 EST >Subject: the_dojang: woman's studies > >OK - since we have hit on dating and pregnancy are you ready for a real tough >question? > >One of the referees at the recent US OPEN asked me this question, and while i >have dealt with this situation only twice in my many years, I toss it out to >you. > >You are refereeing a match - two females, and one of them suddenly gets hit by >Mother Nature. > >Do you stop the match and let her take care of the little problem? >Do you let her continue knowing how embarrassed she is going to be when she >finds out? >Do you leave the problem to her coach? > >The referees in this ring were so embarrassed, they did nothing and let her >fight, unknowing. > >In the two cases I had, it happened just before the fight started, and I sent >coach and competitor off to deal with it and went on to the next match - >coming back to them later. But......... > >What does anyone else think? > >Ronda J. Sweet >Ladytkd@aol.com > Well, if it happens DURING a bout, the presence of blood is grounds for stopping the match. AFAIK, it doesn't have to be from an injury. The embarrasment potential is done at that point anyway Before the match, as in what you described, I'd use a discreet word to the competitor, and then juggle the schedule according to her wishes; forfeit, fight when ready. Robert W. Hostetler hostetb@iserve.net Indianapolis, IN 1st Dan I assume makes an ass out of u and me. ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:30:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: netisms? For those newer to the net and distribution list chatter, I'd like to include a list of common netisms to the FAQ that is sent to each new subscriber. e.g. a list showing what IMHO, FYI, CYA, FWIW, etc mean. If you have one, please send it to me directly at the addr below. I'll combine them or send the most complete one back to the list -and- include it in the FAQ. Thanks. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:29:07 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Understanding Ki Michael wrote... > As an acupuncturist with 20+ years martial arts experience, I just HAVE to step in here. The statement above served no purpose for me other than to cause disbelief in the fact that a PhD student could say such a thing. Let me see if I can explain this so you can all understand with some clarity... "Ki" (or whatever other word you choose to use) has a very simple explanation - it is "energy." Nothing more, nothing less. There is nothing "mystical" about it anymore like there may have been centuries ago, before we came to understand biology, physics, physiology, kinetics, etc. Ki is nothing more than a word that can be used to describe anything that has the power to influence anything else. Sunlight is ki (we need sunlight for life). Food has ki (we need food for energy). Adrenaline is ki (it compliments our normal energy levels under stress). Proper breathing techniques raise the level of "ki" (or energy) in our bodies. The higher the oxygen saturation of our blood, the more efficiently our bodies work. Our attitudes and intentions are ki (if you are focused on accomplishing a task, it is more likely to happen than if you aren't concentrating on it). The bio-magnetic (electromagnetic) current that runs through our body is ki. This current can be traced and measured with modern scientific equipment, so don't anyone try and say it doesn't exist. If someone speaks of "ki" and you interpret what they are talking about as some mystical, unexplainable force, then you are misleading yourself. Don't think of ki as some ancient force that only some little old Aikido master possesses -- you all have ki -- there is ki in everything around you. In its most basic form, "ki" is the energy that makes protons and electrons zip around in an atom. Electricity is ki. A magnetic field is ki. When you hear people talk about "ki" flowing through your body - there is nothing magical about that - unless you find the simple flow of blood magical - - unless you find the simple flow of electromagnetic energy through your body magical - unless you find the simple assimilation of oxygen magical - unless you find it magical that adrenaline raises your energy level temporarily - unless you find it magical that when you are focused on a particular goal (like breaking a board) it is much easier to accomplish (than if you just walk up and punch it with no thought). Don't make understanding "ki" harder than it has to be. You have to understand how the Asian people use the word to understand its meaning. In Korean, the word "ki" is used in many ways (for examples, visit my website at http://members.aol.com/intlkido/hapkido.html). Michael Burnett, C.Ac. Shin Koo Hapkido Yoo-Sok-Kwan ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:47:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: Understanding Ki > As an acupuncturist with 20+ years martial arts experience, I just HAVE to > step in here. The statement above served no purpose for me other than to > cause disbelief in the fact that a PhD student could say such a thing. Let me > see if I can explain this so you can all understand with some clarity... "Ki" > (or whatever other word you choose to use) has a very simple explanation - it > is "energy." Nothing more, nothing less. There is nothing "mystical" about > it anymore like there may have been centuries ago, before we came to > understand biology, physics, physiology, kinetics, etc. Ki is nothing more > than a word that can be used to describe anything that has the power to > influence anything else. Sunlight is ki (we need sunlight for life). Food > has ki (we need food for energy). Adrenaline is ki (it compliments our normal > energy levels under stress). Proper breathing techniques raise the level of > "ki" (or energy) in our bodies. This is the way Do Ju JI Han-Jae, founder of modern Hapkido, defines Ki. It is the 'super hormone', which is adrenaline. Thru proper diet, meditation, etc. etc. we can keep the organs in balance. When they are in balance we are best able to produce more super hormone, which causes us to be able to generate more Ki. Or at least that is my understanding of Do Ju Nim's teachings in this area. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:52:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: "netisms": email acronyms and "emoticons" (fwd) This looks like what I was looking for. Thanks to Mik. Ray - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forwarded message: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:09:08 -0600 To: raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: "netisms": email acronyms and "emoticons" Ray, Check out http://faculty.web.waseda.ac.jp/vicky/projects/e-mail/emote.html. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:55:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: BOUNCE the_dojang: Non-member submission from [Black Belt Systems (fwd) I believe you are subscribed as bblish@blackbelt.com. Please correct. Ray - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forwarded message: >From the_dojang-owner Sun Jan 24 16:28:51 1999 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:28:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: BOUNCE the_dojang: Non-member submission from [Black Belt Systems ] From: Black Belt Systems Subject: Re: Quote / TDD V6 #46 Michael Osier wrote: >When dealing with a situation like this we must remember that >"extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof". (Does anyone remember >the original source of the quote?) Carl Sagan? And wasn't it "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"? It's a bit fuzzy, tho... :) /========================================================================\ | Black Belt Systems, Inc. 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