From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #55 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thurs, 28 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 055 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: rip off the_dojang: Packages arrive in Sarajevo the_dojang: Korean Martial Arts History the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #54 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #39 the_dojang: Re: Taekyun the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #53 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #54 the_dojang: Re: Ki and G/god(s) / TDD / V6 #54 the_dojang: re: Ki the_dojang: Re: Ki and Acupuncture the_dojang: Re: Ki and Religion the_dojang: Re: Id rather discuss the great Gonzo than read any more of these 30 page Ki posts the_dojang: Re: United Tae Kyon Federation the_dojang: Making your art street effective the_dojang: Offline Ki/chi discussion the_dojang: Chi - the last word?? the_dojang: Greetings from Malaysia the_dojang: Questions for the Historians the_dojang: Re: What to teach family members Re: the_dojang: Re: Taekyun the_dojang: My Ki is KOed the_dojang: . ......................................................................... 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Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Longhorn, Andrew" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:51:55 +1100 Subject: the_dojang: RE: rip off > > Her younger brother attended a Tae Kwon Do school that fell into what > Ray > > described so aptly as a Take my dough school. > We used the phrase "Take one's dough" it sounded closer to the real thing. :) Andrew Longhorn ------------------------------ From: Judi Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:58:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Packages arrive in Sarajevo Folks, Nedzad has received the packages filled with gear, dohbaks and mag/manuals as collected from this community. If you wish to donate some items or contribute to the cost of shipping please let me know via direct email. Of course you may send directly at the following address. (N.B. this is rather expensive to send a package but a letter or photo would encourage them as well..!) WTF-ITF "HWA-RANG" KAPIC NEDZAD TRG ZLATNIH LJILJANA 11 71000 SARAJEVO BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA If you unfamiliar with Nedzad and his efforts to join the people of his country through TaeKwonDo in Sarajevo, Bosnia-Herz please see the following : http://www.acdk.org/kapic.html Attached below is Nedzad's message Judi http://www.bcity.com/osa U.S. Headquarters of the Korean Tigers Learn Discipline. Earn Respect. Build Confidence. Practice Self-Defense. DEAR DALE WE RECEIVED YOUR AND JUDI'S PACKAGE FEW DAYS AGO. THOSE PACKAGES ARE WITH REBREAKABLE BOARDS AND CDK MANUAL INSRUCTIONS. FROM JUDI WE RECEIVED SPORT GEAR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SUPPORT AND HELP. IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO FOR YOU? PLEASE GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEND YOU SOME PHOTOS OF US AND HWA RANG CLUB AND SARAJEVO SINCERELY YOURS WITH HOPE THAT WELL STAY IN TOUCH KAPIC NEDZAD AND ANELA BURDZOVIC ------------------------------ From: Eduardo Miranda Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:25:11 -0200 Subject: the_dojang: Korean Martial Arts History > Anybody > know anything else about all this? > There is a site from a former GM Joo Bang Lee that is full of texts and photos about Korean Martial Arts history . According to him GM Joo Bang Lee have been associated to GM In Hyuk Suh before he founded Hwarang-do. Beside that GM Joo Sang Lee, GM Bang's brother, used to teach Hapkido when he first came to USA, then when his brother founded Hwarang-do he changed his school name. There are also some pictures showing GM Bang, GM Suh, GM Ji and many others hapkido stylist together, despite that if you look at the kuk sool site there is an apologies for a misunderstanding on kuk sool text book translation affirming that despite the textbook, GM Suh has never been GM Choi student. At my opinion Hapkido, Kuk Sool, Hwarang, Han pul come from the same place: Daito Ryu Aiki jujitsu mixed with striking techniques from Tae Kyun. Despite these discusion I would never doubt the great martial artist all these GM are, and how great are their systems. Eduardo Miranda dudamir@uol.com.br ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:25:46 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #54 Ask a Chinese master how to break a stack of twenty 4-inch boards: (translated: karate chop the boards damn hard) Loved this one! Thanks for making me laugh! Mary ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:39:58 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #39 In a message dated 1/21/99 2:05:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Then there is jewelry. I was always taught never ever never to wear jewelry. Then I began noticing an increase at tournaments and in the schools where people would wear gold necklaces (men and women), gold hoop earring, tons of makeup, etc. I was always taught it was a safety issue not to wear rings, necklaces and hoop earrings >> Well, this has been on my mind since it was posted...I can't quit thinking about it so I am going to ask for opinions. I like to think that I am always very careful to follow the "rules" in regard to respect and proper conduct...however I do wear makeup (but not a lot) to class as well as matching toe nail and finger nail polish. (OK and occasionally a little perfume) I have often wondered if this is considered inappropriate. I would comply with a request from instructor to stop, but the subject has never come up. Sooooooo...I would love to hear from anyone that has an opinion on the matter. I hope this isn't too trivial a subject...considering the recent in depth discussions...I thought we could go for a little light hearted conversation. Thanks, Mary (The3Shaws@AOL.Com) ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:41:48 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Taekyun Has anybody on the list ever seen a Taekyun demonstration? If so, can you relate what you saw and how it differs from TKD/HKD/KSW? Taek (pun) Care, Peter M. ------------------------------ From: Chuck Sears Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:25:10 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #53 > ------------------------------ > > From: "Jamaica Power" > Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 06:21:24 PST > Subject: the_dojang: Your Family's Personal Safety > > ...snip... > > I know, I know, it's pretty pathetic when I start answering my own posts > but hey, I've been known on occasion to talk to myself so I figured > what's the difference. > Jamaica, that's not a problem. You can even argue with yourself. It's when you lose the arguments that you have to start worrying.... ------------------------------ From: Chuck Sears Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:38:03 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #54 > > > >>From: "Dylan Walsh" > Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:14:57 -0000 > Subject: the_dojang: This list and histories of Korean MAs. > > In the past on this mailing list, there has been a lot of divergence > with, and criticism of, the histories and lineages put forward by Korean > martial artists and governing bodies. To put it more bluntly, various arts > claim to go back centuries in Korea, whereas the position of many on this > list is that they were derived in the 20th century from Japanese arts, as > the indigenous arts had been wiped out. > > I have noticed posts of the former type of history have gone uncontested > lately, so have people moved of the list, or given up? > > Dylan Walsh There are statues and drawings and writings in old Korean temples, showing people in martial arts poses, that have been reliably dated back to the third century, so there is some justification in the claim. There is also justification in the claim of Japanese influence, due to the way they killed off Korean martial artists during the occupation of the first part of this century. One of the reasons that Grand Master H. U. Lee founded the Songahm style of Taekwondo was to return to the Korean roots. The forms bear no resemblance whatsoever to Japanese styles and they emphasize kicking from white belt onward. The style is very traditional and follows several modern-day interpretations of the old code of honor of the Hwarang-do. - -- The Force is like duct tape - there is a Dark side and a Light side, and it holds the universe together. ------------------------------ From: Ben Blish Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:36:40 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Ki and G/god(s) / TDD / V6 #54 Eduardo Miranda wrote: >Scientist are usually sceptic about issues they can't prove, but along >the centuries many "crazy" theories became accepted despite the >scientist sarcasm and prejudice. In the same way many scientifically >_controlled experiences turn out to be frauds or untruth. This is exactly true. In the cases where the science, or sometimes the politics, of the day has erred, these issues eventually do come to light, and specifically because they *are* false, the studies and tests and comparisons get done, and they enter the realm of fraud or error. Nukes were thought to be likely to blow up *everything* the first time one was set off; Wrong. The sound barrier was thought to be an impenetrable one; Wrong. The Earth was thought to be flat; Wrong. The Sun was thought to go 'round the Earth; wrong. In every case, science eventually figures it out, *preceisely* because science is the most powerful mental tool that humans own. It's not intuition, it's not spirituality, and it's not intent. All those things work wonders, but none of them is in itself inherently likely to uncover the truth - science is, and for that reason, I give it *huge* credit. Science IS the "search for truth" that many religions claim to be. The difference is that science backs it up with years of progress and discovery after discovery - and debunking after debunking. No religion has such a good track record. If ki has a basis in fact, then I, and a lot of other people, will eat our words. Speaking for myself, I'll do so willingly - I only want to know what is, not what "I want to be true." Conversely, as I have said before, each generation looks back on the errors that have been revealed by their new science and shakes their head. Western snake oil and Eastern I Ching. One and the same, no society better than another. One (of many!) examples where Eastern society advanced over Western is found when you look at the timelines for the development of gunpowder or writing - societies advance unevenly, and there are good and bad in both. Science says that you must proceed based upon what you know; and as of now, there are no studies or other evidence to support the existance of those mystical things that tend to be lumped under "ki". So for now, the only thing I am willing to look at regards ki is SHOW it to me, prove it exists by TEST. Create a falsifiable procudure that can only succeed if ki is true. Now you have my complete attention. And all of science's, for that matter. Until and unless that can be done, ki is just another folk legend, albeit of long duration. >My point is: >Just because you prove it doesn't mean it does not exist. Energy flow in >the humam body is a key concept to oriental medecine, culture and >philosophy, therefore you are saying that asian are pretty stupid when >it comes to medecine, culture and philosophy. Why Asians? The US is home to crystal gazers, channelers, religionists of every stripe - and most, perhaps all, of them are full of beans. There's no surprise to the development of mysticism in a culture, it still exists in most of them, including ours. "In god we trust" is mysticism, no more, no less. And a huge number of the population (worldwide, in fact) still buy into this. There is no evidence for it at all, and it in many respects resembles ki in that it is embedded in the society deeply, has absolutely no supporting evidence other than hearsay, yet is taken as "fact" by many - depsite the lack of evidence. We can all point to culture wide assumptions that make us look "pretty stupid". Scientists said that aircraft would never fly, until Wilbur & co proved them wrong. In the US, we have a base tenet that says that "all men are created equal", which is unmitigated nonsense. Note that it doesn't say that "All humans should have equal rights", it says "created equal". Bring Einstein to a table with a down's syndrome child and ask them a few questions and you'll soon drop that silly idea down the tubes. Most societies are prone to mystical influences, and the less education and self confidence that people have, the more prone to it they are, as far as I can tell. Add to that errors that are simply errors without intent to defraud, intentional frauds, the tendancy of things to get "odd" when carried as part of an oral tradition (think what happens as gossip goes from person to person), and then add the politics of the day to it. If there's a society that is NOT mystical to some degree, then maybe we do have proof of [a] G/god(s), because it would surely be a miracle! > You guys problably think >the only quality they have is martial techniques. Oh, poo. >PS: Tricky question for the sceptics: Don't you belive in God? Is there >any scientific study proving God existence? I don't think so... What's tricky about it? I don't believe in [a] G/god(s) even the least little bit. I have never seen even one minor reason to believe in [a] G/god(s). I view the whole thing as mysticism, plain and simple. If you'd like to learn more about my position, you can visit the pages that are rooted at the following URL... http://www.dojang.com/aa/aa_aaronics.html ...as I rather doubt that Ray is even the slightest bit interested in having a thread on religion erupt in the Digest. :) Ray, that'll be my last 'ki' post unless asked a direct question. Thanks for providing the vehicle; I believe this to be a more important issue for martial artists than most that we discuss. Ben "30 years of training, 3 languages, several more dans, several arts, and so what, anyway. :)" - --- Ben Blish Mi Kuk Tae Kwon Do Ji Do Kwan - -> bblish@dojang.com [or] - -> bblish@blackbelt.com [or] - -> bblish@glasgow.com [or] - -> 2blkbelt@nemontel.net ------------------------------ From: "Jewell, David" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:28:00 +1000 Subject: the_dojang: re: Ki A woman is beaten by her husband and thrown out into the street. She returns to him next day. He gets drunk and beats on their children. She refuses to leave him even though she is offered shelter elsewhere for herself and her children. It doesn't make any sense at all, even the most basic of biological instincts is for mothers to protect their young. Still she returns to put herself and them at risk. Beats explaination, so why does she do it. LOVE. She loves him. There are many things that science cannot explain, things that appear contrary to all scientific "laws" but are understood by those who experience them. Love is one, Ki is another, God is another. Maybe one day science will explain these phenomenon by way of mathematical formulae and theorums but in the mean time let's not get emotive while we wait. If you can't accept the existence of things beyong the physical then allow others to do so, without the 'flat earth' lecture. Of course there is also a warning here to be aware that some people try to take advantage of others because some things can't be proven at this point in time. Just thought I'd throw that in before some 'scientist' tries to throw in this red herring to hijack the discussion. Peace .....oh, and love all round. cheers DJ... Melbourne, Australia ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:44:13 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Ki and Acupuncture Dave wrote... <> Um, pardon me, but it seems you don't have a clear understanding of acupuncture. What is your education in acupuncture -- how can you make such statements? On the contrary, the meridians in most cases do not approximate particular individual neural pathways. Sure, there are places where the meridians are adjacent to nerves, but there is not a single meridian which comes even close to "following" a specific nerve. <> Not to those of us who hold credentials demonstrating education in the field. "Complete mystery???" There are some aspects that are not fully understood -- but there is much about acupuncture that has been well established in various highly respected journals. To say it's a complete mystery is simply ludicrous. <> Um, yes! Faith demonstrates intention -- and intention is "ki". Michael Burnett, C.Ac. ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:56:25 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Ki and Religion Ben wrote... <> That's a good point. I'd venture that many of you who simply refuse to believe in "ki" - even though it can't get any more simple to understand -- believe in a "God" or some kind of other deity. You'll never come anywhere as close to proving the existence of a "God" as you will in proving the existence of "ki". Ki is electricity. Ki is adrenaline. Ki is attitude and intention. Ki is oxygen. What is a "God"? Can you describe (define) a God in a way that is tangible in the physical world? No. Does that mean I don't believe in something spiritual? No. I don't need to read it in the New England Journal of Medicine to believe it exists. Reminds me of that saying...."Tell a man that the universe is infinite and filled with billions of stars [read as: God] and he will take it on faith, but tell him that the bench has wet paint [read as: ki] and he'll have to touch it to prove it." Michael Burnett, C.Ac. ------------------------------ From: Aaron J Woodburn Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:06:32 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Id rather discuss the great Gonzo than read any more of these 30 page Ki posts Greg Giddens wrote: KARATE CHOP THE BOARDS DAMN HARD Amen, Greg, AMEN! AJ Woodburn Dragon102@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ From: Michael Pederson Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:20:23 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: United Tae Kyon Federation > I was looking through Rays "patch" listed and one particular > organization caught my eye. It was "Sean Hawkins, Beacon, NY, United > Tae Kyon Federation." > - ------------------------------------------ The only Taekkyon school I know of in the U.S. is in Los Angeles. For what it's worth, the (Hangul) spelling of "Tae Kyon" used on the patch is out of date in Korea, though you can still find it in some dictionaries. Michael Pederson Seoul ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 01:18:43 EST Subject: the_dojang: Making your art street effective Greetings all, You don't see me as often because I have been busy with a number of other projects, including law school that started up again. I'd like to start a new thread, and ask for peoples opinions, views, etc. One of the projects I'm working on is a program directed to all styles of martial artists on the topic of making your art street effective. We all know that different arts and styles have different emphasis. I do not want "this art is the best because" type of comments. What I'd like is ideas that can be taught to any martial artist of any style to help make that art more effective on the street. An example, if you choose to do forms, you can do them with intensity and realize what the motions are for, etc. Yes, there is a controversy over if forms can help for self-defense, and I don't want to get into that. I don't want to tell someone in a school that practices forms that they shouldn't do them. I want to tell them how they can improve on them and by doing forms still help their self-defense skills. Forms is just one example. What other things can a person do, etc, that will help make their art more street oriented. WITHOUT changing their style too much. Again, I don't want to tell someone they should train in a different style, or stop what they are doing, I want to help them maximise what they are doing. If you are an instructor, I'd really like your ideas as to the things I should address and ways to address it. If you are more of a beginner, what would you like to learn about to make your art more street effective? If you went to a class with this title, what would you expect to learn? Thank you in advance for all responses, Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:44:00 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Offline Ki/chi discussion I agree with Ray that we should either stop the ki/chi thread or take it offline. Because I like this thread I would be in favor of taking it off the dojang digest, thus we can continue to discuss the pros, cons, mystical, scientific, and martial arts aspecs of the ki/chi. And if something from this develops that is relavant to Martial arts we can send it to the digest. I don't know how we would organize it unless we get everybodies email address or take it to the physics lists. let me know what people think, Stacy stacy.owen@marcam.com ------------------------------ From: Bernard Eddey Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:45:07 +0800 Subject: the_dojang: Chi - the last word?? I have read with interest all the arguments for and agin the existence or not of chi. I guess like with god, prayer healing etc, it all comes down to a matter of faith. Faith, by definition, precludes proof - i.e. if something is proven you don't need faith. If someone actually proves the existence of god, prayer healing, chi etc. - they'll all disappear in a puff of logic! I suppose we'll all then have to go back to talking about MA's! BTW in mandarin chinese the qi character (pron. chi 4th tone) at a root level has 11 meanings - including air, breath, anger, weather, smell etc. In combination with other characters it has literally 100's of uses. No wonder there is confusion. Bernard Eddey 1st Dan TKD Shanghai ------------------------------ From: Stan Lim Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 01:50:03 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Greetings from Malaysia Hello from Kluang, the town of fruit bats! After 6 years, I am back in the town of my birth, and the place where I first learned TKD. I finally had a few moments to catch up with all the postings - A lot of interesting discussions! (For the new members who have recently joined, I'm now live and work in San Jose, CA) Sadly, my old dojang is no longer where it used to be. I hope that it has merely moved to a newer location. A couple of people posted on returning to MA after a long hiatus. Well, welcome to the club. I took a 12 year break myself. Getting back wasn't too hard for me, fortunately. Apart from the injuries, it has been a real blast getting back into the routine. (For those that remember, my knee is still healing slowly. I can do light kicking now.) Mr. Terry, I am happy to inform you that rummaging through my old closet, I was able to find a couple of pretty old TKD patches. One is for the TKD association for the town I live in. The other one is for the TKD club in my high school, which I co-designed in 1985. I'll send them to you for your collection when I get back to CA next week. Now, to respond to a post or two... About having a bad day or two. I try to never forget that I got back into MA for a number of specific reasons, mainly to get exercise and to HAVE FUN. Yes, attaining a BB is a worthy goal, but that doesn't mean I can't afford to have some off days. So, on the days where my forms are formless, my kicks waver like a beginner or my energy level is low, I remind myself to take it easy, keep up with the class and try to have as much of a workout as I am manage and still enjoy the class. Like many people, the MA workout is a way to relieve stress at the end of a long work day - not another source for high blood pressure. Also, as a higher belt, I know I am a role model for others and I want to help develop a positive training environment. One of the other senior belts here occassionally cusses at himself when he doesn't execute a move properly, and while he isn't hostile or showing any temper, it makes me wonder why he is taking things so hard on himself. >Subject: the_dojang: Re: Control vs. Full Contact > >We still practice this at my school...not only with foot techniques but >with hands as well. For example, doing backfist drills with a partner. >The upper belts should be able to make their partners' hair move. ;-) >Of course the other person has their teeth clenched just in case. We get to practice control during our one step sparring drills. Our instructor always tells us to make it "real" meaning for the attacker and defender to execute the moves with control and power. >My personal favorite is stopping a round kick and barely touching their >hair. Just love the look on my sparring partners face... A couple of tests ago, I executed a one step sparring drill where the counter attack was a right roundhouse to the attacker's head. I scared the daylights out of my partner and drew a bunch of "Oooohs" from the spectating family and friends when my kick stopped after making a light tap on my partner's left temple (By light, try tapping your index finger on your face.) Of course, I wasn't aiming quite that close :-) Okay, better stop here for now. Dial-in access from here is quite expensive. Stan Lim 4th Kup TKD, San Jose ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:18:58 PST Subject: the_dojang: Questions for the Historians I ask these questions of the historians on this forum as a person that has studied "why people study history." The history thread (as with others) reappears as a thread in a cyclical fashion. I enjoy the threads and the wealth of information provided and have become aware of certain authors works and styles. There is also a wide range of age groups on these forums and amongst the authors and posters. Now I come from the "Boomer" Generation (born between 1943-1960). Most of our athletes are considered the "13th" Generation (1961-1981). There are a some out there that are the "Silent Generation" (1925-1942) and I'm sure some that are the "G.I. Generation" (1901-1924). I have been associated with historians that study for a wide range of reasons which are; to check and provide accurate historical data, because they believe that history repeats itself and thereby you can predict tbe current generation and it's future by studying historical data, and those that are just curious and have a quest for knowledge. If you were a martial arts coach/instructor of today's youth and wanted to better communicate with this 13th generation, you might want to study the descriptions, dimensions, characteristics and predictions of this age group which would increase your likelihood of success. I've seen that some of the authors on this forum have either written a thesis or a book or published a paper. I am very curious as to what inspired you to study and collect martial arts history? And is it just martial arts history that intrigues you or do you seek out the same veracity bout your own roots. If it is just the martial arts then what fascinated you and prompted you to study only this field and to share with others. Thanks. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Dylan Walsh" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:11:08 -0000 Subject: the_dojang: Re: What to teach family members > >From: >Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:13:38 EST >Subject: the_dojang: What to teach family members > >Jamacia asked: > >>I was curious how many individuals that don't have spouses or SO's that >>are in the martial arts; what type of safety and self defense do you >>teach them, if any? > >I learn from my sons (both of whom rank their good ole' mom) and my s/o did >take a year of Judo long before he met me. My step daughter; however, was >being harassed by a bully last year. When the bully began to physically pull >stunts (tripping her, stepping on the back of her shoes on the staircase, >etc.), I taught her how to take someone down and make it look like an >accident. I'm curious, could you describe that technique? >Karla > ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:36:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: Taekyun > Has anybody on the list ever seen a Taekyun demonstration? If so, can you > relate what you saw and how it differs from TKD/HKD/KSW? I have two or three videotapes of Taekkyun being practice/demoed. But Dakin B. studied it for awhile, so he might join in. There is also a short description of it in the KMA FAQ. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:44:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: My Ki is KOed Ok, folks, time to kill the Ki thread. I know that my ki is KOed... We can try it again in a month or so, but for now please continue the thread offline. Thanks! Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:45:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #55 ******************************* Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, California Taekwondo Standard disclaimers apply.