From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #57 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 29 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 057 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #56 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #56 the_dojang: RE: Jewelry the_dojang: Ying Yang Mouse Pad for MA the_dojang: Re: Making your art street effective the_dojang: Coach Lee's Video Series http://www.coachhanlee.com the_dojang: Safety Zones the_dojang: Con Law- Not yet the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #55 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #55 the_dojang: Accidental Takedowns the_dojang: Korean Flag the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #55 the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jerseyj Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:52:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #56 > From: > Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:25:40 EST > Subject: the_dojang: Re: jewelry, make-up, etc > > then mary responded: > < about it so I am going to ask for opinions. I like to think that I am always > very careful to follow the "rules" in regard to respect and proper > conduct...however I do wear makeup (but not a lot) to class as well as > matching toe nail and finger nail polish. (OK and occasionally a little > perfume) I have often wondered if this is considered inappropriate. I would > comply with a request from instructor to stop, but the subject has never come > up. Sooooooo...I would love to hear from anyone that has an opinion on the > matter. I hope this isn't too trivial a subject...considering the recent in > depth discussions...I thought we could go for a little light hearted > conversation. >> > > mary, > hey, at least your toenails and fingernails dont clash ;). the only time i > ever have an issue with something along these lines, is when it could be a > safety issue. i asked someone last night to remove some big ole hoop earrings. > i dont believe that jewelry should be allowed, unless it is a wedding band. if > someone chooses to take that off, that is their prerogative. i would never ask > anyone to do so, though. those big ole diamond engagement rings can be > harmful, however. > I agree. In my dojang there was a fairly strict rule about not having ANY earings, finger rings, etc...(we even had one person who had a belly button ring!). In terms of a wedding band, that too can be dangerous to others and wearers were very strongly encouraged to remove them. > my gm also requires that finger/toe nails are trimmed short and not ragged. > this is for the hopefully obvious reason that we dont want to be a bunch of > slashers. i was guilty of that on one neglectful occasion and scratched yup....and you would be surprised at how little it takes to create a nasty cut. I've been both on the receiving and giving end of that , and got VERY careful with it. > > perfume, make-up (as long as yer not goin for the tammy faye look), nail > polish.... a non-issue. it's not a safety problem and will most likely not be > distracting to others. well, as long as the makeup doesn't start "melting" and blinding you *smile*...in addition, I'd make a plea for folks NOT to wear perfume to the dojang. Folks like me who have asthma can find any amount of perfume quite dificult to deal with in close quarters with inadequate ventilation. tough enough as it is. > > melinda > chunjido@aol.com thanks melinda, for your considered words along with a nice sense of humor! Jerry ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:46:06 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #56 In a message dated 1/28/99 11:54:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Mary, hey, at least your toenails and fingernails don't clash ;). the only time i ever have an issue with something along these lines, is when it could be a safety issue. i asked someone last night to remove some big ole hoop earrings. i don't believe that jewelry should be allowed, unless it is a wedding band. if someone chooses to take that off, that is their prerogative. i would never ask anyone to do so, though. those big ole diamond engagement rings can be harmful, however. >> I don't know, I think if your not sweating enough to make the makeup run right off your face, then you ain't working hard enough!! As far as perfume, again, if your sweaty, perfume won't help you none. Rings on the fingers?? down right dangerous when doing partner work, or sparring. Chains and earrings? .. Well, again, dangerous in my opinion. A hoop could get caught somehow on your partners hand or the like and then, owwww, they pull it right through the ear lobe. Chains make a nice mark on your neck if they get caught and tugged. Also the will take you off balance if it get caught and the chain doesn't break right away. Well, thanks for the replies, you two are funny. Just as a side note, I completely agree about the jewelry (any jewelry)...very dangerous. As far a wedding rings go, I was always taught that if someone insists on wearing them, they should at least tape them. You know Steve, you are right about something else...by the end of class my makeup is gone and I'm sure any perfume is as well....but I keep wearing it. (Must be a girl thing...hehehe) I also agree with Melinda on keeping all nails trimmed...they do hurt! Thanks, Mary ------------------------------ From: "John Franich" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:55:05 -0900 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Jewelry Melinda wrote: |hey, at least your toenails and fingernails dont clash ;). the only time i |ever have an issue with something along these lines, is when it could be a |safety issue. i asked someone last night to remove some big ole hoop earrings. |i dont believe that jewelry should be allowed, unless it is a wedding band. if |someone chooses to take that off, that is their prerogative. i would never ask |anyone to do so, though. those big ole diamond engagement rings can be |harmful, however. Please be sure to remove wedding rings when working with weapons. We had an incident at our dojang a few months ago where one of our instructors, an e dan, had her wedding ring smashed on her finger while demo sparring with a bo staff. We had to quickly figure out a way to cut the ring off to save her finger. We are now very conscious of the dangers of wearing jewelry. Our instructors always remind us to remove ALL jewelry before sparring or weapons training. We are also told when they join that we will have to keep our nails trimmed short. You can't make a proper fist if your nails are gouging your palms. - -John Franich ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:03:52 PST Subject: the_dojang: Ying Yang Mouse Pad for MA Just ran across a "Harmonious Mouse Pad" It is the Yin Yang design and the entire mouse pad is cut in a circle and 10.5" For the computer martial artist. #G-YYMP $19.00 from Pacific Spirit Whole Life Products 1-800-634-9057, and for those looking to enhance their websites here is the home of some 3 dimensional rotating ying yang symbols. Rather cool. http://www.andyart.com/f_amenu2.htm Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:43:58 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Making your art street effective << It does not become a regular part of the class. By the time they teach it again everyone has forgotten what was taught. This diminishes the seriousness of it and the ability to get efficient at it and understand what it is. I'm not sure having these types of courses as a sometime adjunct to the class helps or hurts the martial arts practitioner.>> Jamaica-- First of all, THANK YOU for pointing out something that many fail to realize. I can testify that while Hapkido is a good place to start learning self- defense, your best bet is to go to Hapkido classes specifically to learn self- defense if you feel that you aren't getting your fill in your current MA. However, I also support the point made that teaching it every blue moon is very bad because yes, you do forget what was taught the last time. I took Hapkido (to get out of taking phys ed my 8th grade year in Korea), but everything we learned was reviewed on a pretty frequent basis. White belt techniques were still being practiced towards the end of the school year when pretty much everybody was a green or blue belt. The main focus was on the defense techniques, sometimes with iddy biddy deviations thrown in like kicking drills or sparring (with only a hogu... occurred rarely... I count 5 times total on my left hand). (I made the switch to TKD only because the nearest Hapkido-only place was about an hour's ride away from where I live now.) << Additionally when these classes are taught there is sometimes a beginning uneasiness and a level of not being comfortable and a few giggles come out. This is certainly understandable and releases tension and eliminates some fear of the unknown. But what I've also seen from this is a definite destruction of seriousness when teaching street techniques. I've seen nervous giggles overtime escalate into fullblown "giggleshits." This means that everytime certain men or women do throws or do self defense against one another they have a propensity to turn it into a sexual encounter or mating ritual. For those that are trying to be more serious this is distracting. For the younger children this is misleading. This could be because it is not a standard part of the curriculum and so the understanding isn't there.>> Thank you for pointing this out! While younger children do need to learn self-defense, you might have to teach and reteach on a pretty regular basis... and for those of us who are more inclined to see a little variety in our MA learning routine, this gets VERY MONOTONOUS. Not only are those "giggleshits" (pardon my Anglo-Saxon fall-back) very annoying, they are VERY distracting. Very. And it also (on a very scary and frequent tendency) destroys the importance of the technique. But sometimes you'll find that the culprits happen to be adults, more likely parents watching the class. It's not like we're trying to re-enact an episode of Jerry Springer or Celebrity Deathmatch... if that was the case, I'd go to whoever does the storyboards for Celebrity Deathmatch and submit an idea... but this is NOT about that. The level of immaturity, especially coming from adults, sickens me truly. << When the instructor supports this behavior, I think this again diminishes the effectiveness of the training and what this is really all about. >> Need I corrobate this? There have been countless times when I never wanted to set foot back onto the mats because demonstrating the techniques in their entirety turns out to be some comedic or *stomach lurches* one of those late- night shows you can order on pay-per-view... you get my point. Those outbursts of laughter need to be quelled after the seven millionth time. If there's anything I honestly can't stand, it's when people take matters of learning to fend for the life as another joke. It makes me sick. Kim Jones AddidasTKD@aol.com "All warfare is based on deception." --Sun Tzu, _The Art of War_ ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:55:13 EST Subject: the_dojang: Coach Lee's Video Series http://www.coachhanlee.com I read Jeremy's comments on Coach Lee's video Tape 1 and wanted to expand on those thoughts. This video really is informative for all students from white belt up to instructor. I am a 2nd Dan and found the tape very helpful in refreshing the basics and why they work... it is also very motivating. I work with the Coach on these tapes and believe that everyone in this sport should own one. The site is located at http://www.coachhanlee.com, you may order from the site or call 1-877-4HanLee. Thanks, Roger Lee Productions ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:09:15 PST Subject: the_dojang: Safety Zones If someone becomes verbally aggressive and maybe downright belligerent to you what are your feelings on a safety zone to best resolve the conflict. Is it better if the person remains say 3 feet away or is it better if they move into your zone. Where do you feel you have the most control and comfort level; In or out or out of your safety margin. And is my information correct that a 3 foot radius is an acceptable zone. And when and where do you feel is the most likelihood for a physical confrontation to begin or end. Any warning signs to watch for. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:36:59 EST Subject: the_dojang: Con Law- Not yet In a message dated 99-01-28 14:50:09 EST, you write: << P.S. Alain-have you taken Con Law? >> Not yet. I sat in on three teaching demos last semester for the hiring of the new Con Law prof. I'll have him next year. Alain ------------------------------ From: Bernard Eddey Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:48:02 +0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #55 I have read with interest all the arguments for and agin the existence or not of chi. I guess like with god, prayer healing etc, it all comes down to a matter of faith. Faith, by definition, precludes proof - i.e. if something is proven you don't need faith. If someone actually proves the existence of god, prayer healing, chi etc. - they'll all disappear in a puff of logic! I suppose we'll all then have to go back to talking about MA's! BTW in mandarin chinese the qi character (pron. chi 4th tone) at a root level has 11 meanings - including air, breath, anger, weather, smell etc. In combination with other characters it has literally 100's of uses. No wonder there is confusion. Bernard Eddey 1st Dan TKD Shanghai ------------------------------ From: Chuck Sears Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:55:55 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #55 > > From: > Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:39:58 EST > Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #39 > > In a message dated 1/21/99 2:05:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang- > owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > > << Then there is jewelry. I was always taught never ever never to wear > jewelry. Then I began noticing an increase at tournaments and in the > schools where people would wear gold necklaces (men and women), gold > hoop earring, tons of makeup, etc. I was always taught it was a safety > issue not to wear rings, necklaces and hoop earrings >> > > Well, this has been on my mind since it was posted...I can't quit thinking > about it so I am going to ask for opinions. I like to think that I am always > very careful to follow the "rules" in regard to respect and proper > conduct...however I do wear makeup (but not a lot) to class as well as > matching toe nail and finger nail polish. (OK and occasionally a little > perfume) I have often wondered if this is considered inappropriate. I would > comply with a request from instructor to stop, but the subject has never come > up. Sooooooo...I would love to hear from anyone that has an opinion on the > matter. I hope this isn't too trivial a subject...considering the recent in > depth discussions...I thought we could go for a little light hearted > conversation. > Mary, most of my female students stop wearing makeup after they sweat through it a couple of times. :-) I will not allow my students to wear jewelry (with the exception of a wedding ring) during class or competition. After I graphicly describe an incident I witnessed where a young lady wore simple studs under her sparring gear and got an earlobe ripped up, there is very little argument. Safety first and foremost!! BTW, it has become a school tradition for the junior females to paint their toes and fingernails the color of the belt they are testing for on testing day. Even had some adults do it as well. I think it's a hoot. I'm still waiting for the day when a guy shows up painted.... ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:54:05 EST Subject: the_dojang: Accidental Takedowns >>being harassed by a bully last year. When the bully began to physically >pull >>stunts (tripping her, stepping on the back of her shoes on the staircase, >>etc.), I taught her how to take someone down and make it look like an >>accident. >I'm curious, could you describe that technique? Since this bully tended to attack her from behind, I taught my sd to hook her foot around the other girl's ankle and step forward, thus pulling the leg out from underneath her attacker. Since this was in school, I also suggested that my sd "fall" on top of the bully and spring up saying, "I can't believe what a klutz I am today, here, let me help you up..." Since the other girl would know it wasn't an accident (and would probably be hurting a bit at this point) there would be a loud and clear message of don't mess with me sent. I also knew the other girl wouldn't call foul in such a situation because bullies are basically cowards and calling foul not only takes guts but also means that the teachers keep an eye on things for a few days to make sure that there are no further problems, thus limiting her own reign of terror. We practiced this move several times on mats/grass/soft spots until my sd could pull it off without a hitch. She understood how serious a move this was and that the bully could get badly hurt if she hit the ground the wrong way and it was for an extreme use. Part of the reason I was comfortable teaching her this was because the bully was stepping on the back of sd's shoes on the staircases trying to make her fall. If my sd had fallen down the stairs, she would have been injured. Fortunately, just knowing how to do this was enough for my sd to carry herself differently (without realizing it) and the girl began to back off. One of the proud moments I had with my sd was the day she came home and said, "I don't know why she's backed off, but now she won't come near me and I didn't do or say anything." It's amazing how once you loose that scent of fear, things can happen. Once again proving that adolescents can be taught! : ) Tang Soo! Karla ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:15:02 EST Subject: the_dojang: Korean Flag I was asked recently about the Korean flag, so since I typed it out, I thought I'd share it with the list in case others are interested. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese The Korean National Flag, the T'aegukki, takes its name from the t'aeguk circle in the center of the flag, is divided equally and is in perfect balance. The red upper section represents yang and the blue lower section yin, an ancient symbol of the universe - of the great cosmic forces that oppose each other but achieve perfect harmony and balance: fire and water, day and night, dark and light, construction and destruction, masculine and feminine, active and passive, heat and cold, plus and minus, and so on. The three bars at each corner also carry the ideas of opposition and balance. The three unbroken lines stand for heaven; the opposite three broken lines represent earth. At the lower left hand corner are two lines with a broken line between, symbolizing fire. Diagonally opposite is the symbol of water. The white background symbolizes the purity of the Korean people and their peace-loving spirit. The flag as a whole symbolizes the ideal of the Korean people developing forever in harmony with the universe. - --- Hollym's FACTS ABOUT KOREA (revised 1995 edition) It's funny that they use yin and yang which is Chinese and usually in China has the dot of the opposing color in the main field. I guess because more Americans are familiar with the term yin and yang. In Korean it is actually Um and Yang. (Japanese In and Yo) ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:56:44 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #55 David Jewell wrote: >A woman is beaten by her husband and thrown out into the street. She returns> >to him next day. He gets drunk and beats on their children. She refuses to >leave him even though she is offered shelter elsewhere for herself and her >children. It doesn't make any sense at all, even the most basic of >biological instincts is for mothers to protect their young. Still she >returns to put herself and them at risk. Beats explaination, so why does she >do it. LOVE. She loves him. With apologies to Ray for perpetuating this off topic thing, sorry but I must respond to this. David, with all due respect, what you wrote above is PURE HOGWASH. Neither love nor ki is responsible for the above pattern of behavior. I will spare everyone else more detailed commentary. I have to wonder how you came up with something like this to bolster your position on the ki argument. Sandy - -- tokay@netwurx.net ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:41:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #57 ******************************* Support the USTU by joining today! 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