From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #59 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 29 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 059 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Taking a forced sabatical the_dojang: My Inspiration w/ History the_dojang: Making Your Art Street Effective the_dojang: Abuse and Reality the_dojang: T'aekkyon the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Karas Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:19:48 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Taking a forced sabatical >Hello fellow posters. This will be my last posting for awhile (I can hear >the >cheers already) as the CPU comes >down today and I most likely won't have net service for about a month (now >>cheering is one thing...but doing >the WAVE is another). >However...I hope to be back in February. And speaking of which....once >>again...don't forget to pick up the >April 99 issue of Black Belt which will go on sale in mid February. >Yours truely will be in it. >(funny...I didn't notice those crickets chirping before) > >Maybe by the time I get back on line...the KI thread will have finally >died >(Ray...you may have to use a >virtual Dim Mak strike to kill the Ki thread) > Hurry back, John! Your unique point of view will be missed. Brian ------------------------------ From: "John Groff" Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:29:22 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: My Inspiration w/ History <> <> I originally started gathering information on Korean martial arts years back when I decided that the dearth of readily accessible and dependable information on this topic was, in an age where Tae Kwon Do is an international Olympic sport and there are Hapkido, TKD, KSW, HWD, & TSD schools in nearly every city or county, deplorable. Originally my interest was piqued in part by my own studies, but as my research became broader, I decided that the only sensible way to do this would be to include as much information about everything, pro and con, and let the reader decide. I'll admit that upon doing some serious, deep digging, I was surprised by how much was simply conjecture, and how many people tended to try and make themselves into something other than simple, dedicated folks. I suppose that's the competitive human way, though. The great thing about independent, honest self directed research (re; scientific method--yes, "soft science" has its version) is that the researcher isn't tied down by the official history of ones association/organization--not to say that there won't be reprecussions anyway. The toughest part was sifting through official histories which often include either factual errors, or simple untruths (intentional or not)--and figuring out how to point out their error in a manner which would allow the perpetrator to save face, remaining impartial myself. Considering the cultural context helped me accomplish this. At present, the book is nearly complete, save for a few maps, graphs and charts that are still being inked. I figure at the least, it will inspire others to look into thier arts, interview their teachers, and utilize the old "who, when, where, why & how". - --C.J. ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:18:41 PST Subject: the_dojang: Making Your Art Street Effective What other things can a person do, etc, that will help make their art more street oriented. WITHOUT changing their style too much. Alain __________________________________________________ I would like to see schools have at regular intervals "street clothes" days. This could be incorporated in a number of ways. I think it would be helpful if the students (all age groups) came in what they would normally wear to work or school (including backpacks) or what they would wear to go out at night be it suits or jeans, dresses, pantsuits, or whatever. Now, if you're teaching a traditional class with forms, sparring and such then you just do it in your street clothes, including the shoes you would wear. If you were doing self-defense classes; ditto. The point is to seek out and be aware of the level of discomfort and hindrances that you would encounter should you be accosted on the bus home from work, in the parking garage, behind the dorms, at the grocery store, after school, with grocery bags in your hand, etc. Where and what would the thief grab.. your purse, your wallet your briefcase, your school books. How could he use your clothing and accessories to hinder you, because perhaps he/she/they have watched your routine for quite sometime and knows you like a book. Because he/she/ehtey have probably already figured out how they could disable and disarm you. If the women typically wear high heel shoes to work and then change over to joggers when they leave I would encourage them to wear heels to class that night. There is always that night when you forget to change shoes. I realize some dojangs have floors that don't support street shoes and so you might have to find an alternate workout place but in the long run I think it would be a very good experience. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:49:00 PST Subject: the_dojang: Abuse and Reality >>>and those who stood by, originally whispering praise about her ability to endure, her "loyalty" and "true love" for her "man", may dream about her crushed body, her extinguished spirit in the dark and private hours of the night.CJ>>> _______________________________________ Unfortunately so very sadly true. The word that caught my eye was loyalty. Teaching self defense to a battered woman is probably the most difficult challenge a martial artist can face. Many battered woman really do take the concept of loyalty quite literally. And in the cases of many women the vows, "till death do us part," are not only something they live by but something they die by. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: burdickd Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:26:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: T'aekkyon Sorry I'm so late in responding! As Ray mentioned, I did T'aekkyon back in 1987 at Indiana University (to my knowledge, it was the first T'aekkyon club outside Korea -- at least, that's what my instructor said). When we practiced, there were three aims. You could get a point for kicking someone in the head, another for a sweep, and another for a throw (usually after grabbing an opponent's kick). Linear techniques other than kasumch'igi (palm heel push, not strike, to chest) were not taught as they were "too dangerous." My instructor was Do Ki-hyun, who trained under Son Kuk-gil. Mr. Do received his dan ranking from both Song Duk-ki and the other leading teacher (Mr. Han? My memory fails me here, sorry! -- he was a generation younger than Mr. Song). Mr. Do was from Seoul. Michael Pederson is in Pusan and belongs to another federation. Likewise, the videos that Robert Young sold (sells?) are from Pusan as well. In these, the masters use technique that looks a lot like what I learned, while some of the younger players obviously are t'aekwondo trained. Michael tells me that front kick and side kick are now allowed as well. Michael was also kind enough to send me a few t'aekkyon books, and if there is interest, I will give a short description of the techniques therein. What most people want to know is, how did t'aekkyon precede t'aekwondo? For my money, most of the early t'aekwondo masters were much more heavily influenced by Japanese karate and in fact, most of the early systems were almost purely this (save for Ki Hwang's early hwasudo, which he explains was unpopular because it was too flowing and Chinese in nature -- which is why he switched to teaching Tangsudo!). It is unclear when exactly t'aekwondo started changing, but I imagine it was in the early 1960s. There was renewed interest in t'aekkyon in the late 1950s, and Gen. Choi used this to back development of his t'aekwondo in opposition to Ki Hwang's Tangsudo (which claimed association to Subak through Hwang's examination of the Muye Dobo Tongji). When I learned them, which admittedly is several decades after this supposed influence, t'aekkyon kicks were almost all circular in nature. This kicking style also typifies the transition from "Traditional" t'aekwondo to Olympic, where front kicks and side kicks are no longer in great evidence. By the way, I much prefer wearing hanbok than a gi, even if you have to keep tying up those ankle ties! I'm also trying to get a wholesale account for modern Hanbok that run about $100-$300 each. These look very classy and although I wouldn't wear it for sparring, they would make great outfits for t'aegukkwon (taijiquan). I'll send more information about those later as well. Oh, I also saw another Korean style wearing hanbok (traditional ones, although they were burgundy) up in Canada -- those are the Dahn Moo Do (Danmudo) folks up in Ontario. Rambling again, Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:12:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #59 ******************************* Support the USTU by joining today! 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