From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #61 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 31 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 061 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: flag hanging the_dojang: Flags the_dojang: Re: more flag hanging the_dojang: Taekkyon Etc. the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #60 the_dojang: Animal attacks the_dojang: Re: Self-Defense against Animals the_dojang: Re: Taekwondo History the_dojang: Re: T'aegukki the_dojang: Self-Defense Against Hostile Animals Re: the_dojang: Animal attacks the_dojang: has it? ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! 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Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:46:43 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: flag hanging << That was a good point you brought up Melenda, thanks. >> welcome :). and you make some excellent points yourself. btw, i forgot to mention that i learned that information in tkd times magazine. it's a back issue and i cannot recall which one. just caught it while flipping through. melinda ------------------------------ From: Sam McPherson Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 22:38:54 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Flags Most of the references I looked at showed that showed the Korean flag hung vertically had the red Um to the right and the symbol for heaven in the upper right. This doesn't mean that it is correct because I have seen plenty of people in this country improperly display our flag also. Generally the US Flag should be to the left (its own right) and the union (field of stars) should be in the upper right. Also why do most people wear the flag patch backwards. Most wear it on the right (correct) sleeve but they wear it with the union to the rear. I've only the military and veteran organizations wear the correct flag patch with the union to the front. Maybe it is just a military thing? Tang Soo!! Sam McPherson mcpherson@digizen.net ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:58:31 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: more flag hanging << I've been told by many Koreans that their flag should not be hung vertically, only horizontally. >> i dunno. my gm (a korean) hung both flags (korean and u.s.) vertically one day to take everyone's pictures in front of it. usually, however, they hang horizontally. melinda ------------------------------ From: Michael Pederson Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 14:42:21 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Taekkyon Etc. > Michael, Do you have an approximate location, or address? I work in (&out) > of LA, and would love to find out more. . . > - --C.J. - ---------------------------------------- Sorry to be so late in answering! The LA school is under the Korea Taekkyon Association. My instructor mentioned it to me once, but he didn't give me the address. I'll ask him about it on Monday. There may even be other schools in the U.S. by now, for all I know. There's also the possibility that it's no longer there. The KTA sent an instructor to New York once, but he had to come back very soon after, evidently because of visa problems. Anyway, I'll try to find out soon. As far as comparing Taekkyon to TKD/TSD/SBD, I don't think I'm qualified for that since I've never studied any of those styles. I've seen a lot of TKD in Korea and read a lot about it on the Digest, but I don't think that gives me enough knowledge to make a meaningful comparison. Since Dakin knows both Taekkyon and TKD I think he'd be better for that. There doesn't seem to be any significant difference between what he and I have studied, except for the front/side push kicks and maybe some other things. I could just give my impressions of Taekkyon and how I think it's different from other styles in general. I've been studying it for about a year and a half. Oh yeah, Dakin, I live in Seoul! I like Pusan more, but I've only been there as a visitor. Michael Pederson Seoul ------------------------------ From: alrac@iprolink.ch (Jeff Moore) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 09:05:05 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #60 Master Choi, a Korean who has his dojang in Lausanne Switzerland hangs it vertically. >I've been told by many Koreans that their flag should not be hung vertically, >only horizontally. Jeff Moore Geneva, Switzerland alrac@iprolink.ch ------------------------------ From: HThomas Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 08:24:43 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Animal attacks Jamaica wrote, re attacks by animals: > > Would your martial arts training help you help someone else or yourself > in this situation? If yes, please share. Thanks. > One of my HKD students, a long-term Special Forces trooper, told me that he was trained to give an attacking dog one forearm, ramming it as deeply as possible into the dog's mouth to jam the jaw and thereby minimize the bite, followed by slamming the other arm on the dog's neck and then executing a front roll. The idea is to break the dog's neck. The technique assumes that only one dog is attacking, that the soldier cannot fire a weapon (Special Forces guys tend, in war time, to be behind the enemy lines and do not want their presence known), and that some other weapon, a stick, for instance, isn't available. Personally, I haven't a clue as to whether this would work. Clearly, it requires considerable presence of mind for sucessful execution. Wearing heavey clothing, such as military BDU's, wouldn't hurt at all. Hope this is helpful. Holcombe Thomas ------------------------------ From: Eduardo Miranda Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 12:24:33 -0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Self-Defense against Animals Good issue you brought us. Down here in Brazil (specially Rio de Janeiro) it became a kind fashion among Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu fughters to have hostile dogs like pitbulls. Now besides to be aware of the BJJ guys which are usually violent we have to be alert about their dogs. There have been some attacks situation that end up on the newspaper pages. These dogs can really hurt a person. I've been told first of all give them the arms or legs, it's better been bite in a limb than in the neck or the body. The next move should be strike the dog at the ribs trying to hurt and scare it. An intesting issue is: if severly hurt a dog, or even kill it, could you be lawsuit by its owner? ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 09:55:53 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Taekwondo History Dakin: I was very impressed with your work in Journal of Asian MA. You attempted to corroborate what you had received with other sources. When there was a contradiction, you pointed that out as well. Keep up the good work. I look forward to any updating of your article that you post. Please do not be discouraged by what people say/write. You wrote your piece based on people's recollections/notes, therefore, if there is inaccuracy, it is not with you as the author, but, alas, with the recollections/notes of the prominent players. I recall the Chris Thomas article in BBM "Did Funakoshi Found TKD" and all the negative things which were written about him-far as I know, he is still around! Take Care, Peter M. ------------------------------ From: "CALLAHAN" Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 09:40:04 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: T'aegukki > > I believe this is true when the Korean flag is hung horizontal, but you > > would rotate it to the right for vertical. Therefore, the three solid lines > > would then be in the upper right and the red half of the Um/Yang would be on > > the right hanging it vertical. > > I've been told by many Koreans that their flag should not be hung vertically, > only horizontally. > > Anyone??? > > Ray Terry > raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Ray, Personally, I don't have any idea as to which is culturally correct. But, I train under a Korean 9th Dan, and in his dojang he hangs both Korean and American flags vertically. Chris Callahan "Violence when there is an alternative, is immoral; Violence when there is no alternative, is survival" ------------------------------ From: steve mower Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:30:07 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Self-Defense Against Hostile Animals In the last few weeks I've read about 2 children and 1 adult being attacked by a dog (all separate incidents). (Don't know if it was prompted by the individual or other specifics). The specifics at this point aren't as important to me as knowing what would you do if you came upon a dog attacking a child or another adult. Excellent topic, seems I've read more and more accounts recently of dog attracts against children and adults (here in Jersey, last week officials had to shot an escaped lion running around in a residential area). I run in rural areas and have had several encounters with dogs running loose. I guess the first thing to keep in mind is, it's not the dogs fault, some human is not doing his job. In most cases the dogs are very territorial, and will back off once they are convinced that you are not a threat to their food dish. During my runs if I'm in an area where I know a dog encounter is likely I'll carry a stick (just grab one off the ground), the very sight (of a stick) normally will keep the dogs at bay. I've also had luck with just reaching down and faking that I'm picking up a rock or something, and had dogs back-off, also yelling at the dog in a stern voice has stopped dogs in their tracks. I would like to point out that the conventional advice, to stop, stand still, don't make eye contact and slowly back away IMOHO is most likely to encourage the territorial dog attack. (He's winning, why would he quit?) I often think, what if the normal tricks won't work, and I find myself in a more determined dog attack? I would hope that front kicks to the head, and chest would be an effective deterrent, but I've read that in the some case's eye gouging and throat strikes are necessary. (In fighting choose with sense and honor..). I do feel strongly, that when you consider the top three most likely scenarios where you might have to use your martial arts skills to defend yourself. Self-defense against a hostile animal should be one of them. Tang Soo! Steve Mower smower@erols.com Woodbury Heights, NJ ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 08:11:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Animal attacks > > Would your martial arts training help you help someone else or yourself > > in this situation? If yes, please share. Thanks. > > One of my HKD students, a long-term Special Forces trooper, told me that > he was trained to give an attacking dog one forearm, ramming it as > deeply as possible into the dog's mouth to jam the jaw and thereby > minimize the bite, followed by slamming the other arm on the dog's neck > and then executing a front roll. The idea is to break the dog's neck. I've heard this from the military, too. The very important point Holcombe mentions is to jam your forearm deep into the dog's mouth. As another military K-9 trainer told me, "Hell, my dogs would bite through truck tires". !!! Ouch! Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 08:14:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: has it? Has the Super Bowl started yet??? :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #61 ******************************* Support the USTU by joining today! 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