From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #63 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 1 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 063 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Superbowl BOUNCE the_dojang: Non-member submission from [Carsten Jorgensen (fwd) the_dojang: Re: Dogs and flags the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #58 the_dojang: Re: flags the_dojang: RE: Self-Defense Against Hostile Animals the_dojang: Re:my "top three scenarios" the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #61 the_dojang: KMA history the_dojang: Re: Perry's advice needed the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #60 the_dojang: Stretching Machines - Reply Re: the_dojang: Flags the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! 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Peter M. mjmpmm@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 13:28:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: BOUNCE the_dojang: Non-member submission from [Carsten Jorgensen (fwd) Carsten, you are subscribed as carstenj@dorit.ihi.ku.dk. Ray - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forwarded message: Subject: BOUNCE the_dojang: Non-member submission from [Carsten Jorgensen ] Date: 31 Jan 99 21:50:21 MET From: Carsten Jorgensen Subject: Re: Korean Martial Arts History Eduardo Miranda wrote: >There is a site from a former GM Joo Bang Lee that is full of texts >and photos about Korean Martial Arts history >. According to him GM Joo Bang Lee have >been associated to GM In Hyuk Suh before he founded Hwarang-do. Beside >that GM Joo Sang Lee, GM Bang's brother, used to teach Hapkido when he >first came to USA, then when his brother founded Hwarang-do he changed Unfortunately the guy don't know much about Korean Martial Arts history. I hope everybody who are interested in KMA history/Hwarang Do history would take a look at my letter about his page: www.ihi.ku.dk/~carstenj/soh.htm Also, if anybody have written to me at hwarang@usa.net for the last month I haven't been able to recieve your mail - could you please write again at my hwarangdo@usa.net address? Thanks! Carsten Jorgensen hwarangdo@usa.net ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ From: "Oh Captain, my captain" Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:34:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Dogs and flags I frequently encounter "hostile" dogs when I run, ride my bike or just go about my buisness. I've found that they tend to fall into two categories: dogs who bark just to chase you away and dogs who are really pissed that you are there and want you gone. In the case of the first, they will stop at the edge of their territory and make a lot of noise. I just keep on going and we part ways with no more problems. The second kind of dog is the dangerous one. I learned from working at a stable for a few years that showing the dog that you aren't afraid is usually a remarkable effective trick (to the dog and yourself). Look him in the eye and assert the fact that you are indeed much larger than he is. They will often compromise and decide to allow you to pass under their watchful eye. If such a situation became critical and the dog actually came at me, I don't think I would mess with trying to ram a fist down its throat. Front and half-moon kicks are just too quick and effective to let a dog get that close if at all possible. You don't even have to get them square. They aren't dumb and will often realize that they are outmatched and outgunned and let you pass. Don't get me wrong, I don't advocate striking animals without justification, but I certainly do advocate letting them know who's the boss in a situation. As for flags, our club bought a Korean flag from AWMA recently and I think it has the holes in the wrong end. It has two holes in the short end of the flag so that when you hang it vertically the three solid bars are in the lower left corner. Am I correct in thinking that the holes should be in the other end so that those solid bars are in the upper right? James ------------------------------ From: "Longhorn, Andrew" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:30:11 +1100 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #58 > << returns > to > her > she > >> > > If this is her idea of "love", baby, I'd not like to experience her > version > of "hate"! This ain't love, honey--it's temporary insanity. Thankfully, > many communities, once made aware of problems like this, would take her > children away from her (thus shielding them from their father & mother's > wonderful brand of "love"). Some would even declare her incompetent and > remand her to the custody of a mental health institution until she were > deprogrammed (still not clear on constitutionality of this, but sounds > fair), and throw her fine example of a man (ha!) into the lockup. But > perhaps in the end, after her skull is finally crushed, her battered body > rendered beyond recognition or healing by the man she "loves", the > dimensions of her disease will finally become evident, and those who stood > by, originally whispering praise about her ability to endure, her > "loyalty" > and "true love" for her "man", may dream about her crushed body, her > extinguished spirit in the dark and private hours of the night. > A few of you are posting reprimands to this original "love is what makes them come back" post, it appears a lot of these reprimands have little basis in psychology, and are more "from the gut". Can someone please educate us all with the real psychological factors that contribute to the battered women always returning. I vaguely recall a major factor was in fact "love", the word is quoted for a reason. There are therapies around for the families that suffer from this and sometimes the man is inept at controlling anger, being a consistent drunk, or something else. He may still "love" her, but his "love" is a twisted variation of the word. Maybe he is also a child survivor of a battered family, he was brought up in that environment and those 20 years or so of programming have stuck with him. There are many documented reasons that the woman comes back, and although I can't quote a study, it should be easy to track them down. Does anyone else have some references, or theory experience? For anyone interested in the topic, there are some survivor newsgroups. They are dedicated to talking about these things and act as a therapy. Andrew Longhorn ------------------------------ From: Sam McPherson Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 17:23:31 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: flags <> I made this less clear. Sometimes I even confuse myself. Refer to United States Code Title 36 Chapter 10 for further information. Section 175 (c) No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America, .... (f) ... No such flag or pennant may be placed above the flag of the United States or to the United States flag's right. (i) When displayed either horizontally or vertically against a wall, the union should be uppermost and to the flag's own right, that is, to the observer's left. When displayed in a window, the flag should be displayed in the same way, with the union or blue field to the left of the observer in the street. Tang Soo! Sam McPherson ------------------------------ From: "Longhorn, Andrew" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:00:59 +1100 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Self-Defense Against Hostile Animals > When I was a young child I got caught in a fight between two dogs. > (Marital dispute I suspect). I was severely bitten and rushed to the > closest hospital which was way out in the boondocks at the time. I was > visiting and staying with some people on a farm. By the time some > adults come upon the scene I was pretty well ripped. Then there is > always the question of rabies and did you have a tetanus shot aside from > the stichwork, blood transfusions and sometimes plastic surgery. > > Animal attacks and bites (by a variety of animals) have always been > around but they seem to either be more noticed now because the media is > bringing more attention to them and/or more people are buying dogs and > other animals for protection and so the incident rate is up. > > In the last few weeks I've read about 2 children and 1 adult being > attacked by a dog (all separate incidents). (Don't know if it was > prompted by the individual or other specifics). The specifics at this > point aren't as important to me as knowing what would you do if you came > upon a dog attacking a child or another adult. > > Would your martial arts training help you help someone else or yourself > in this situation? If yes, please share. Thanks. > I would say it's more owning a large dog that would help. We raise German Shepherds and play with them constantly, run from them and as they jump at you you block the neck and throw them away. I never really thought of it as strange but I'm not intimidated by dogs, I used to hate them as a child, chasing my bike and stuff. But that was before we started lokking after them ourselves. But when you have large adult german shepherds routinely charging at you and jumping on you you get desensitised and are able to handle them better. I think the biggest point is the fear of the unknown, faced with a foaming, growling rotty would make me a very cautious person. I did meet a dog about 5 years ago in Canada that chilled my bones. I was walking along and saw another man walking towards me on the path with a HUGE dog whose back came to his waist! I came close and it was an adorable dog, looked like an oversized husky, beautiful! As I stooped (only slightly! :) to pat him, he looked straight through my eyes into my soul with these piercing yellow eyes. I backed off and said "nice doggy" with a forced (no teeth) smile. The owner informed me he was a husky/wolf cross.... WOLF! :) Andrew Longhorn ------------------------------ From: steve mower Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 18:13:43 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re:my "top three scenarios" > > BTW Steve, you said of the top "3" scenarios this would be one. What > would the other two be??? > Thanks, as always. > > Jamaica I've derived my "top three scenarios" based on reading the local paper everyday, mind you, it doesn't mean I "expectant" any of these to happen, nor am I not prepared for other situations, I just maintain a "heightened awareness to my surroundings when... at an ATM machine, just about every month I read an account of an attack at an ATM machine, the scary part is the number of people who are shoot or stabbed even when cooperating with their attackers. another one, this I thought of on my own. We have a large mall (Franklin Mills), all the rest rooms are located away from the main shopping areas, off long hallways leading to the main shopping area. I just see this as the perfect place for a hold-up. A perpetrator could case the men's room, he would know that no one is in there, victim goes in, perpetrator knows it will be at least 90 seconds before anyone else comes down the hall to interfere, perpetrator goes in, victim is already in a vulnerable position/condition at the urinal, facing the wall. Perpetrator just slams the victim into the wall, etc... so whenever I'm at a urinal, I maintain a heightened awareness as to who is in the room with me, and who enters the room while I'm in there. You know, it's funny, during warm-ups (in class), when we do figure eight's (shoulder warm-up) I always turn and swing my arms as to circle the person behind me, I see this as a movement which helps me prepare for a attack from the rear. Hey, dinner's ready, then the games gonna start, gotta go... Tang Soo! Steve Mower smower@erols.com Woodbury Heights, NJ ------------------------------ From: "Longhorn, Andrew" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:12:53 +1100 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #61 > An intesting issue is: if severly hurt a dog, or even kill it, could you > be lawsuit by its owner? > I severely doubt it. I suppose it would be guided a bit by the local laws, but generally if a human is ever a recipient of a bite, not only will they not be in trouble, but the dog will probably be put down. It would be really hard to prove self defence for the dog. I heard also (probably another urban legend) somewhere that having a sign "beware of dog" on your gate is a good way to get sued if your dog bites someone. The argument goes like this: "if you are warning people of your dog, you must know it has the potential to be dangerous". Some people are stupid. Andrew Longhorn ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:37:20 +73600 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: KMA history > >There is a site from a former GM Joo Bang Lee that is full of texts > >and photos about Korean Martial Arts history > >. According to him GM Joo Bang Lee have > >been associated to GM In Hyuk Suh before he founded Hwarang-do. Beside > >that GM Joo Sang Lee, GM Bang's brother, used to teach Hapkido when he > >first came to USA, then when his brother founded Hwarang-do he changed > > Unfortunately the guy don't know much about Korean Martial Arts history. I > hope everybody who are interested in KMA history/Hwarang Do history would take > a look at my letter about his page: www.ihi.ku.dk/~carstenj/soh.htm I'm not sure I would attribute it to not knowing much about Korean martial arts history. As you know we've discussed this privately. I appreciate your comments re Bob's website and his comments, but I'm not sure I can agree with them. IMHO it is more a disagreement on exactly who did what when, not about being uninformed about KMA history. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 05:45:02 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Perry's advice needed >>>Anyway, what do you think? Should I do it? Have many of you competed in the executive or golden senior arenas-locally or nationally? What have your experiences been? What kind of condition do you need to be in compared to those in the "regular" draw? I'm assuming that many of us at this age aren't in the same kind of shape that we were in when we were twenty years old. Is the competition as intense in these divisions? I'm looking to have fun ... not to take on the world.<<<<< Perry, This web site is worth checking out, I hope it helps you! It is an eight week (I know you don't have quite that long) tournament training "guide" Good luck. http://www.baileylink.net/webfut/mafit2.htm Mary ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:07:57 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #60 In a message dated 1/30/99 9:04:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > I've been told by many Koreans that their flag should not be hung vertically, > only horizontally. > > Anyone??? > > Ray Terry hmm, I've only visited dojangs owned by Korean Masters and GMs and all flags are always vertical. Dawne ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 06:21:37 PST Subject: the_dojang: Stretching Machines - Reply Someone asked about the advantages of purchasing a stretching machine over having someone in class help you stretch. _______________________ The following are reasons I would invest in a stretching machine as opposed to relying on stretching and warmups in class. I feel the advantages far outweight the disadvantges, that is of course assuming you have the funds to purchase a machine. Over the years I have watched a variety of warmup classes and stretching exercises in classes, most of which have been done carelessly and sporadically. Usually when you are paired with a partner they have a tendency to first push down on your shoulders in a jagged, harsh, and random manner in an attempt to assist their partner in reaching the floor or touching their toes, instead of slowly and gradually pushing gently on the lower back and then releasing and then doing this again. I have also seen not experienced individuals actually stand or sit on their partners back to help them achieve optimal stretching. I've tried the wall stretching but didn't find this to provide any kind of consistent results. I've observed and participated in "the other partner approach" where you put your feet together and take turns pulling each other down and haven't seen or felt any good results from this type of training other than it's one of those "let's do something different in class" today, which is fine but I don't believe it assists a person in increasing their flexibility and caution needs to be taken as quick pulling and tugging can injure a person's back. With a stretching machine there are many advantages. First, you can use the machine as often as you like at your own pace. Which is certainly to your advantage. You can use it as often as you like. Consistency in stretching is important as well as slow and gradual improvement. You can maintain a position for a few minutes, release, and then do it again. You can then increase your stretch position by safe increments and continue this procedure which over the long run will help you increase your level of flexibility and lessen the chance of injury. When you are first beginning martial arts or stretching this is a good mechanism to help you warmup at your own pace before class. Usually your muscles are not very well developed so you are unable to maintain for any length of time a reasonable stretch position which would actually benefit you. Later, the stretching machine is a wonderful tool even after class when you get home and your muscles are stiff. Sort of a relaxing warmdown mechanism to keep you pliable. And it's great for those interim days between classes so you don't stiffen up. I also see an advantage to having a stretching machine as you progress through the different levels of martial arts and perhaps cross training. There will be various exercises and cycles where your muscles will tighten up and the stretching machine will keep you limber. Consistency and regularity in your stretching techniques is very important. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 06:58:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Flags > > I've been told by many Koreans that their flag should not be hung > > vertically, only horizontally. > > > > Anyone??? > > > > Ray Terry > hmm, I've only visited dojangs owned by Korean Masters and GMs and all flags > are always vertical. > Dawne That is what I, too, have seen here in the US where we hang the two flags side-by-side. But I haven't seen a single Korean flag hung vertically in Korea. But then I've only been to Korea twice... ??? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 06:59:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #63 ******************************* Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, California Taekwondo Standard disclaimers apply.