From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #64 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 1 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 064 In this issue: the_dojang: Self Defense Against Hostile Animal the_dojang: Self-Defense Against Hostile Animals the_dojang: Re: United Tae Kyon Federation the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #59 "Making Your Art Street Effective" the_dojang: Older folks and free sparring the_dojang: RE: Flaming from on high ( digest #60 ) the_dojang: Re: battered women the_dojang: Re: is the flag hanging itself? the_dojang: Re: Bad Doggy! the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #54 Re: History the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #57 the_dojang: Thanks, Mary the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 06:54:29 PST Subject: the_dojang: Self Defense Against Hostile Animal To Eduardo regarding your question about liability: My experiences with this situation. Whenever there has been a dog attack (provoked or not) the dog is taken first into custody and tested for rabies and other diseases which will determine the course of treatment for the person that was bitten. Hopefully the dog had appropriate shots and is registered and has a license. Dog owners are expected at the least at their own homes to have a sign that says "Warning - Beware of Dog" posted somewhere on their house or garage, regardless if it's a small Taco Bell Dog or a Rot or cocker spaniel or Alaskan Huskie and regardless if it's an inside or outside dog. If you are out walking your dog in an area you are responsible for having the dog a on leash. If you decide to unleash the dog because you feel "your dog has been trained," or your dog is a mild mannered dog, you will be held liable. Dog doesn't even have to atttack an individual for a complaint to be filed. Many dogs today are being trained to protect their homeowners, and rightfully so. Unfortunately I have been witness to more than one dog this year needlessly and brutally being put to sleep for defending their owners and homes regardless of who provoked or instigated the act. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 07:41:25 PST Subject: the_dojang: Self-Defense Against Hostile Animals Would anybody happen to know that if a martial artist imposed injury on an animal if they were being attacked or the reality that an attack might occur; would the legal considerations be more harsh on them than a lay person just like the rules of fighting against another person. Would we be questionned for undue force and damage to the dog? Would our front kicks, round house kicks, etc. be seen as unnessary excessive and brute force rather than a kick to stop or stun, or deter an animal? Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Sean P. Hawkins" Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 10:54:31 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: United Tae Kyon Federation Ron, Sorry for the delay... I've been a little under the weather lately and am just now getting around to catching up on my email. The United Tae Kyon Federation (Master J. Klee, President) curriculum is essentially ITF Taekwon-do. I'm not sure of the etymology of the name... I'll query my instructor and let you know via private email. Sean P. Hawkins 2nd Gup Taekwon-do ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:17:34 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #59 "Making Your Art Street Effective" I definitely agree with practicing in street clothes. My old instructor, who unfortunately moved away, used to have us practice on pavement and grass from time to time. I am also a Military Policeman in the National Guard. When we practice self defense, we wear sweatshirt/pants. One of the moves we pratice is a roll, if we get pushed from behind. They teach two ways: Rolling on your shoulders and a regular forward roll. I disagree with the latter because you really can't do a forward roll when wearing a 2 1/2" duty belt, equipped with: (1) 9mm pistol, (1) Night stick, (1 or 2) pairs of handcuffs, (1) first aid pouch, (2) spare ammo magazines, and (1) canister of mace. If we practiced in our regular duty uniform, this fact would be self-evident. ------------------------------ From: Ray Simmons Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 11:16:59 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Older folks and free sparring Folks- I am 50 years old and a blue belt in TKD. I earned a black belt in HKD over 20 years ago. I really love this stuff. I have a couple of problems. First, my flexibility is poor (old muscles and some bursitis); second, my "response" time and "speed" are much slower than everyone else in the class. What I am looking for is a strategy that will allow me to be more effective in free sparring. Any help? - -Ray - -- Ray Simmons EMC Corporation res@mil.emc.com 5 technology Dr. (508)435-1000 x55669 Milford, Ma. 01757 - -------- Opinions are mine alone --------- ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:25:00 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Flaming from on high ( digest #60 ) > From: burdickd > Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 08:39:11 -0500 (EST) > Subject: the_dojang: History > > After > posting that first history, I got very used to receiving flames > and insults from t'aekwondo people, some of them fairly high-ranked. That's too bad. Unfortunately far too many people feel that respect travels only upward, forgetting that it's a two-way street. Kerry 1st Gup TKD kerry.atchinson@wichita.boeing.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:42:28 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: battered women <<< so why does she do it. LOVE. She loves him.>>> <> i suppose this really isnt a topic for this list, but someone did mention it in relation to teaching these women the martial arts so i'll go ahead and respond to this. ma is a great way to help these women, but they still may not recognize that it is ok to use what theyve learned against an abusive spouse. they may however find that it helps them in the area of self esteem which is an important part of this cyclic abuse. many of the women who are victims to this abuse see themselves with very little self worth. often they come from abusive family backgrounds and latch on to the first outsider to give them some positive attention. often, however, this outsider turns out to be just like good old dad, an abuser. still, in an effort to escape the initial situation, the abused jumps into the first option possible. this new guy will take her away from all of this. the abuse is not always out in the open for her. often it is subtle and more psychological in nature. usually, however, it graduates to physical violence. many times she wont even see it coming because she wants to be loved. however, her version of love, as mentioned in a previous post, is based on her past experiences: an abusive family of origin. she does not know any different because she has never experienced it. often, the abusive partner (and one should note that it is not always the man) is very controlling psychologically. he controls the money and their social life. therefore, she has no access to finances in order to run away. she has no friends to turn to. and even when she is offered help, she might not understand and feel hopeless about it. she may be scared of his former threats that he would kill her if she ever left. that if she left, he would keep the kids and hurt them. that if she left, no one else would ever love her. it is similar to a cult type of situation. often the victim is not aware of what is happening and it takes an outsider to point out that their dysphoria (intense unhappiness) is being caused by their current situation. there is programming as someone on this list mentioned. this is psychological abuse. calls to LEO's (law enforcement officials) about domestic violence are some of the scariest calls they might ever respond to. they are incredibly unpredictable. many officers have been injured by the person whom they were attempting to rescue from the situation. the battered woman often sees the outsiders/leo's as the enemy and the couple team together suddenly to fight off these intruders. i can compare that to my brothers as i was growing up (not a great comparison but...). they could pick on me, tease me, tie me up to a pole if they wanted....but let someone outside of the family mess with me and they'd better look out. abuser, protector. quite a mix. earlier i also mentioned that this abuse is cyclic in nature. this means that the situation goes from happy couple, to abuse, to his apology, her accepting, to happy couple and all over again. he is always sorry...or at least makes her think so. and he always blames some part of it on her. "well if you'd had my dinner ready on time" "if you hadnt tried to bother me while i was trying to do some work". therefore she must feel some blame. and how can she be angry with him when it was all her fault. it's hard for outsiders to break that mental mindset. and it is hard to change. people are resistant to change in spite of the positive results. ok....i'm done with this. and its probably time to take it off of this list if anyone wants further discussion. melinda student of administration of justice and psychology for...aw jeez....ten years ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:45:32 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: is the flag hanging itself? In a message dated 2/1/99 8:58:48 AM Central Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << (i) When displayed either horizontally or vertically against a wall, the union should be uppermost and to the flag's own right, that is, to the observer's left. When displayed in a window, the flag should be displayed in the same way, with the union or blue field to the left of the observer in the street. >> sam, you said sometimes you even confuse yourself....um...not to worry, looks like someone else started it. "the flag's own right"? well i hope that flag understands now. sheesh. now if that aint just plain silly. melinda chunjido@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Dylan Walsh" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:27:28 -0000 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Bad Doggy! >From: HThomas >Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 08:24:43 -0800 >Subject: the_dojang: Animal attacks >One of my HKD students, a long-term Special Forces trooper, told me that >he was trained to give an attacking dog one forearm, ramming it as >deeply as possible into the dog's mouth to jam the jaw and thereby >minimize the bite, followed by slamming the other arm on the dog's neck >and then executing a front roll. The idea is to break the dog's neck. When you slam an arm on the dogs neck, that is on the back of the neck I assume? On the subject of animal attacks, I would have thought the best source of advice would be animal handlers/vets/hunters, rather than MAs. No disrespect, but our arts are geared to fighting humans which is very different. ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:49:53 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #54 Re: History It is true that Korean Martial Arts were outlawed during the occupation of Korea by Japan. The story goes that some learned Japanese Martial Arts, which were then adapted into Korean Arts, and others learned Korean Arts in secret. The problem with the latter is that all records and proof of lineage had to be destroyed, since nobody wanted to keep proof that they were violating the law. (Which was probably "upon penalty of death" or something equally undesirable) In many cases these arts were reportedly passed down to one, two or three people. When it finally became OK to practice Korean Arts, those who had been taught in secret could come out and open their schools. But, again they had no proof to their lineage / history. So, what if an imposter claimed to be the heir to a 2,000 year old art? He could also claim that his records were destroyed. My advice: question everything! A 2,000 year old art should be multi-faceted enough to endure a few questions. If you don't like the answers move on! But don't place too much emphasis on the age of a martial art. More important: "Does it work?". If one art is 2,000 years old, but isn't effective and another is 2,000 days old, but works for me, then I'll take the latter! - -Jerry Steckmeister ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:27:39 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #57 Hello, Since we are on the subject.. I am trying to workout at least 5 days a week, and as a result, it would be hard to remove my makeup and perfume as it would require a shower before my workout. Also, I am in marketing and can't take time to re-do my nails every day just to get a workout. My schedule being what it is, I find that I am often arriving home just in time to grab my bag and head out to the dojang. Jewelry is something I try not to wear and agree with the safety reasons, I usually end up taking it off and stuffing it in the Gym bag as I am changing..On the makeup front, I was ending up with black eyes (mascara running when I sweat) but recently found an excellent product by Este Lauder that you can put on over your mascara and it keeps it from running when you are working out It really works! I no longer resemble a raccoon 1/2 through my workout! Hopefully my perfume is not offending anyone! Delcina > From: > Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:25:40 EST > Subject: the_dojang: Re: jewelry, make-up, etc > > then mary responded: > < about it so I am going to ask for opinions. I like to think that I am always > very careful to follow the "rules" in regard to respect and proper > conduct...however I do wear makeup (but not a lot) to class as well as > matching toe nail and finger nail polish. (OK and occasionally a little > perfume) I have often wondered if this is considered inappropriate. I would > comply with a request from instructor to stop, but the subject has never come > up. Sooooooo...I would love to hear from anyone that has an opinion on the > matter. I hope this isn't too trivial a subject...considering the recent in > depth discussions...I thought we could go for a little light hearted > conversation. >> > > mary, > hey, at least your toenails and fingernails dont clash ;). the only time i > ever have an issue with something along these lines, is when it could be a > safety issue. i asked someone last night to remove some big ole hoop earrings. > i dont believe that jewelry should be allowed, unless it is a wedding band. if > someone chooses to take that off, that is their prerogative. i would never ask > anyone to do so, though. those big ole diamond engagement rings can be > harmful, however. > I agree. In my dojang there was a fairly strict rule about not having ANY earings, finger rings, etc...(we even had one person who had a belly button ring!). In terms of a wedding band, that too can be dangerous to others and wearers were very strongly encouraged to remove them. > my gm also requires that finger/toe nails are trimmed short and not ragged. > this is for the hopefully obvious reason that we dont want to be a bunch of > slashers. i was guilty of that on one neglectful occasion and scratched yup....and you would be surprised at how little it takes to create a nasty cut. I've been both on the receiving and giving end of that , and got VERY careful with it. > > perfume, make-up (as long as yer not goin for the tammy faye look), nail > polish.... a non-issue. it's not a safety problem and will most likely not be > distracting to others. well, as long as the makeup doesn't start "melting" and blinding you *smile*...in addition, I'd make a plea for folks NOT to wear perfume to the dojang. Folks like me who have asthma can find any amount of perfume quite dificult to deal with in close quarters with inadequate ventilation. tough enough as it is. > > melinda > chunjido@aol.com thanks melinda, for your considered words along with a nice sense of humor! Jerry ------------------------------ From: "Perry Seto" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:52:30 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Thanks, Mary Mary, Thanks for the web site. I'll check it out when I get a chance. - -Perry- pseto@aptl.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:22:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #64 ******************************* Support the USTU by joining today! 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