From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #65 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 2 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 065 In this issue: the_dojang: Are Dojangs Too Safe? the_dojang: 2nd Taekwondo Training Seminar the_dojang: Korea Hapkido Federation Re:the_dojang: Older folks and free sparring the_dojang: Re: geared to fight humans Re: the_dojang: Korea Hapkido Federation the_dojang: RE: Sparring, old age & treachery the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #64 the_dojang: UC Open info the_dojang: TAGB the_dojang: Bad Doggy! the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 11:19:17 PST Subject: the_dojang: Are Dojangs Too Safe? Over the years and with the Americanization of martial arts the atmosphere in many of the dojangs has taken on a new persona. In the transistion, however, I wonder if we have created a too safe, sterile, and climate controlled environment which could mislead the clients and lull them into a sense of false security. Many instructors have geared toward making their schools more socially-oriented largely based on consumer demand. Aside from the dispensing of belts more frequently another issue is that individuals that join for social reasons are frequently looking for group support, acceptance, and socializing and the martial arts becomes a second priority. (Not saying there's anything wrong with that because we all join for different reasons.) When individuals put on their dobak, tie on that belt and join the group in the same building with regular and systematic schedules they can count on, they feel safe and protected as well as having the feeling they can also protect. Through this isolated group support they sometimes give to each other undeserved applauds and recognition for M.A. skills that aren't really very good, mediocre at best, nor would they be useful in any confrontation and sometimes might prove to be dangerous. Confidence is one thing but unchecked enthusiasm and an over-evaluation of these skills can be harmful to themselves, family, and friends. Sometimes this overconfidence can even provoke fights and confrontations outside the school. I find another group uses and perceives the dojang as say a "fitness club" rather than a martial arts school aided by the promotion of the new m.a. type fitness tapes and infomercials. Doesn't matter if your school offers the newer programs the overall perception is influencing all styles of martial arts. I would appreciate some other views on this especially since there is still a reality in the minds of the general public, in the courts of law, on TV that if you're a martial arts practitioner you are skilled at techniques of self defense and carry the burden of greater resonsibility and accountability for your actions in any community and all that comes with it and yet soft style martial arts is taking precedence and at a face pace. Do you feel these perceptions will change our world of martial arts positively and significantly, or diminish it's respect level? Have the discussions now extended beyond TKD traditional vs. TKD Olympic to TKD traditional vs TKD Olympic vs TKD Fitness Club. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Peter Bardatsos Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 14:14:35 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: 2nd Taekwondo Training Seminar Have you ever wanted to train and learn from the elite players and members of the US National Team, who will most likely be representing the US in Sydney? Well this is your chance! The Time has come! 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Visit our website for more information - http://www.bardatsostkd.com You must "Train with the Best to Become the Best!" - -- Sincerely, Peter Bardatsos 6-time US Team Member and US Team Captain Bardatsos Taekwondo ** http://www.bardatsostkd.com ------------------------------ From: Jim Lacquement Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:23:13 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Korea Hapkido Federation I am looking for information on the Korea Hapkido Federation,i.e. history of,contacts,address, ect. I am also looking for information on Richard Hacksworth in Florida. ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:31:17 EST Subject: Re:the_dojang: Older folks and free sparring In a message dated 2/1/99 14:18:36 Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Folks- I am 50 years old and a blue belt in TKD. I earned a black belt in HKD over 20 years ago. I really love this stuff. I have a couple of problems. First, my flexibility is poor (old muscles and some bursitis); second, my "response" time and "speed" are much slower than everyone else in the class. What I am looking for is a strategy that will allow me to be more effective in free sparring. Any help? - -Ray >> Ray, Due to my schedule, I only train once or twice a week, while many of the other students train 3 or 4 days a week. As a result many of them are faster than I am. I concentrate on learning a few basic techniques, and mastering them. Although I learn the fancy spinning / jumping kicks, I don't use them in sparring. I'm not fast enough to get them off without getting hit first. If you go to a tournament, watch the older black belts. They may know a hundred different kicks and punches, but many of the matches are won by four or five techniques. Also, practice switching your stance while sparring. If you start with your right side in front, practice switching after a kick, punch or block. This will force your opponent to readjust, and might buy you some time. This usually works for me. Hope it helps!! - --Jerry FirecopEMT@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:48:48 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: geared to fight humans << On the subject of animal attacks, I would have thought the best source of advice would be animal handlers/vets/hunters, rather than MAs. No disrespect, but our arts are geared to fighting humans which is very different. >> course if we go by the kkw textbook, kma's were started as self defense against animals, and then eachother. survival. melinda chunjido@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:20:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Korea Hapkido Federation > I am looking for information on the Korea Hapkido > Federation,i.e. history of,contacts,address, ect. Holcombe and Alain are two of our resident KHF experts. But The Korea Hapkido Federation is located at 18-11 Rung-dong, Kwangjin-ku, Seoul, Korea 143-180. 02-452-3538, FAX=02-456-0953. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:37:26 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Sparring, old age & treachery > From: Ray Simmons > Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 11:16:59 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: Older folks and free sparring > > Folks- > > I am 50 years old and a blue belt in TKD. I earned a black belt in HKD > over > 20 years ago. I really love this stuff. I have a couple of problems. > First, > my flexibility is poor (old muscles and some bursitis); second, my > "response" > time and "speed" are much slower than everyone else in the class. What I > am > looking for is a strategy that will allow me to be more effective in free > sparring. Any help? > > - -Ray > > I'm not alone! I'm not alone! Yippee! Sorry, Ray, I just can't help it. It's nice to have company. I'm just a little younger (45), but boy, do I understand about the old muscles and bursitis. (And I do have several classmates in the same age bracket... we all commiserate) My 2 cents worth: diligent stretching and concentration on relaxing during sparring. That seems to be my best combination for acquiring quickness ( I think "speed" is out of the question for me ). Hey, while we old geezers have the floor, what do think we can do to get rid of that obnoxious "Golden Seniors" designation? I think something like "Ancient Warriors" has a lot more going for it. Somehow the GS sounds like we're all using walkers and carrying ear-trumpets. Kerry 1st Gup TKD kerry.atchinson@wichita.boeing.com ------------------------------ From: Chuck Sears Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 20:08:43 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #64 > > > From: Ray Simmons > Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 11:16:59 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: Older folks and free sparring > > Folks- > > I am 50 years old and a blue belt in TKD. I earned a black belt in HKD over > 20 years ago. I really love this stuff. I have a couple of problems. First, > my flexibility is poor (old muscles and some bursitis); second, my "response" > time and "speed" are much slower than everyone else in the class. What I am > looking for is a strategy that will allow me to be more effective in free > sparring. Any help? > > Never lose sight of the fact that age and treachery will almost always defeat youth and stamina!! I have changed to a more defensive sparring style. I make them come to me and then break the attack up with a defensive sidekick or a block and counter. Once they get the mindset that I am in defensive mode, I'll throw a fast attack just to get them off balance again. Occasionally, I'll come up against someone else in defensive mode. When that happens, I switch to trap and usually score the point. They will then get offensive and I can go back to being defensive again. - -- The Force is like duct tape - there is a Dark side and a Light side, and it holds the universe together. ------------------------------ From: "Perry Seto" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 23:04:50 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: UC Open info OK all ..... here's a little more detail regarding the UC Open, to be held on March 20, 1999. Once again, please email me with your snail mail address if you want a full registration package. Time: March 20, 1999 Place: Henry J. Kaiser Convention Center, Kaiser Arena, Oakland, CA Deadline: Applications must be postmarked by March 6, 1999 Other Stuff: Participants must be USTU members Traditonal Poomse (WTF) is available to all rank levels and to all ages from 5 on up. Juniors are 5 -17, Seniors 18-34 and Executives 35 & older. Competitors will be divided by age and rank There will also be a division for Creative Poomse (WTF guidelines) open to black belts. Gyoroogi is available for green belts (6th kup) and higher with a minimum age of 7 years. Juniors are 7-17, Seniors 18-34, and Executives 35 and older. Competitors will be divided by age and rank. Modified USTU rules will be used for the tournament. Junior rules for head contact will apply to all competitors 17 and younger, all colored belt divisions and executive competitors. This means light foot contact to the head will score one point. Head contact resulting in minor injury (bruising, abrasion or bleeding) will result in the deduction of one point from the attacker. Excessive head contact resulting in the cessation of the match will mean disqualification of the attacker. These are just SOME of the rules that will apply to this competition. For a more comprehensive look, please request a registration package. Once again, I'm hoping that lots of you can come and join us to help celebrate 30 years of the UC Martial Arts Program (UCMAP) at Cal!! As soon as they get it back up and running - there have been server problems with the isp - you can also get more information from the UCMAP website - www.ucmap.org. - -Perry- pseto@aptl.com ------------------------------ From: "Raymond Brennan" Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:23:01 -0000 Subject: the_dojang: TAGB Hello, I've been lurking (sounds sick, that) around this newsgroup for a couple of months. I live in the UK (though am originally from Ireland)and am thinking of taking up TKD. There is a club in the area I live which is run by the TAGB(Tae Kwon-Do Association of Great Britain). Does this association teach ITF or WTF style ( and what does that mean to me as a new student ?) I hope asking like this isn't offensive to anyone and would be grateful for any advice, suggestions etc. Raymond "Being Irish, he had an overarching sense of tragedy which prevented him from enjoying anything for too long" - -Brendan Behan ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 06:22:23 PST Subject: the_dojang: Bad Doggy! On the subject of animal attacks, I would have thought the best source of advice would be animal handlers/vets/hunters, rather than MAs. Nodisrespect, but our arts are geared to fighting humans which is very different. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Since I am the person that started this particular thread I will respond to your questions. My original question was: with the high incident of dog attacks in the US and abroad if you came upon a child or an adult that was being attacked would you help them? And do you think your martial arts would assist you in helping them. If so, how? Being a person that was attacked by two dogs I was curious. I also found your comment that "our arts are geared to fighting humans" very interesting. I have always been trained in the martial arts that they are not only for self defense but self preservation. I was never taught that the self defense was exclusive to fighting humans. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 07:09:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #65 ******************************* Support the USTU by joining today! 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