From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #69 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thurs, 4 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 069 In this issue: the_dojang: Masters, uniforms and belts the_dojang: Korean Hapkido Federation the_dojang: KKW vs kwon rank the_dojang: Elderly Elite the_dojang: Old farts the_dojang: ATA Mastership and Uniforms the_dojang: Dojangs too safe? the_dojang: Run Around the Ring-Cowardice the_dojang: Old Folks and Sparring the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800+ members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HThomas Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 20:14:41 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Masters, uniforms and belts Chris Porter wondered: > > . . . at what level (3rd,4th,5th degree black belt) in your arts do you > become ranked as a master? > Generally, in the Korea Hapkido Federation, you are addressed as "sabom" at 4th dan and above. The title is generally translated as "master." I believe, but am not sure, that you cannot receive a teaching license from the federation unless you are 4th dan or above. By teaching license, I mean the desigantion as the head of a dojang (eg, "kwanjang"). > > What type of uniform and belt combo does a master wear? > Anthing he or she wants to wear? :-) Actually, while there is now an association uniform (a fairly new proposition), for many years, dojang have been free to set their own uniform policies. Most people I know wear the regular uniform (ie, whatever their dojang wears) and a regular black belt. Some add stripes for the number of the dan grade. My school in Seoul does, but mainly for the kids. The kwnajang instructor and the various sabom wear plain black belts. Does this help? Holcombe Thomas ------------------------------ From: HThomas Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 20:25:43 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Korean Hapkido Federation Jim Lacquement wrote: > > I am looking for information on the Korea Hapkido > Federation,i.e. history of,contacts,address, ect. > Jim, what are you trying to find out? The best published source of info on the history of the Korea Hapkido Federation is in Dr. He-Young Kimm's "Hapkido." I think most Korean MA historians would say he's pretty accurate. He is certainly more knowledgable than I am. Again, for contacts in the KHF, what are you looking for? If it's general info on the association, perhaps I can help. Holcombe Thomas ------------------------------ From: HThomas Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 20:52:23 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: KKW vs kwon rank I understand that typically one's kwan dan certificate will be one rank higher than the KKW rank. For example, a kwan 4th dan will have Kukkiwon 3rd dan. Does anyone know much about this? Thanks. Holcombe Thomas, whose expertise in TKD ends with being able to spell it. ------------------------------ From: Joan Bostic Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 21:18:28 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Elderly Elite - --------------FAFF18239A2CBA31AD95B37A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been quietly reading for a month or two now, learning a lot and enjoying all the debates. But, since we've found our way through dating in the dojang, and martial arts pregnancies, and have now gotten around to the topic of "elderly" martial artists (Is this a pattern? You date, mate, produce offspring and promptly become decrepit?!), does anyone out there have any advice for a first-time TSD student in her early 40's? The flexibility and balance just aren't what they used to be, and I'm having a really difficult time maintaining my balance and getting good height on my kicks. Joan Bostic 9th Gup, TSD Two Harbors, Minnesota - --------------FAFF18239A2CBA31AD95B37A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been quietly reading for a month or two now, learning a lot and enjoying all the debates.  But, since we've found our way through dating in the dojang, and martial arts pregnancies, and have now gotten around to the topic of "elderly" martial artists (Is this a pattern?  You date, mate, produce offspring and promptly become decrepit?!), does anyone out there have any advice for a first-time TSD student in her early 40's?  The flexibility and balance just aren't what they used to be, and I'm having a really difficult time maintaining my balance and getting good height on my kicks.

Joan Bostic
9th Gup, TSD
Two Harbors, Minnesota
 
  - --------------FAFF18239A2CBA31AD95B37A-- ------------------------------ From: "Perry Seto" Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:18:41 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Old farts > Kerry wrote: > Hey, why not? We've got something special going for us just because we're > still here. Of course, we've also got a screw loose because we're trying to > act like Nureyev with all our jumping and spinning kicks... ;) All in all, > I constantly wish I had kept up with TKD when I started 26 years ago. 1 > year of training, 20 years of layoff, then start over at age 40... Ah, > there's nothing like a good mid-life crisis. So you like my suggestion for a name, eh? hehe Watch what you say buddy .... some of us can STILL do our jump and spinning kicks (maybe not quite as many nor as high though) :-) And boy, I thought I laid off for a long time. 11 years seems like nothing now compared to you. lol I'm glad you got back into it though, Kerry. Good luck on your imminent 1st dan test. - -Perry- ------------------------------ From: "Lasich, Mark D." Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:01:07 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: ATA Mastership and Uniforms In the ATA (American TaeKwonDo Association), you can NOT be considered for Mastership until you reach your 6th degree. It is NOT a given that all 6th degrees will be awarded the title of Master! You need to be a 6th degree for at least a year, work on promotion of the art, hold an organization position (Regional Director of Tournaments, Director of Instruction, etc.), demonstrate commitment to the organization, etc. The Uniform is white and silk (higher degreed Masters have a gold uniform). It has a black collar and has the "SongAhm Star" on the back. Quite nice looking, actually. From what I hear, you have to be careful of your dry-cleaners!!!! Mark.Lasich@alcoa.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 9:16:07 +0000 Subject: the_dojang: Dojangs too safe? ____________ My KCN has had many instances in the past where people have hurt themselves doing activities he was administering=2E ____________ I've seen a number of students hurt themselves (feet, ankles, knees, back)=20 because my previous instructor had no idea about basic physiology and, like= =20 many old-school instructors, was inclined to disregard the physical=20 limitations or apprehensions of students who were perhaps overweight or not= =20 as fit for other reasons=2E This got me pretty mad=2E Worse, having suffere= d=20 back problems myself for as long as I can remember and having learned how t= o=20 deal with it, I was appalled at the inappropriate advice given to one man=20 who had hurt his back=2E That's not something you mess around with=2E However, if you twist your ankle attempting something new then unless you=20 are a spoilt brat shouldn't you just grin and bear it? People can't progres= s=20 unless they try things they can't already do, within reason, and when you=20 join a martial arts class you can't realistically expect an easy ride all=20 the way to black belt - if nothing else you know for sure you are going to=20 get punched and kicked! Irene=2E p=2Es=2E I'm in the UK so sorry if I'm underestimating how crazy the whole=20 lawsuit thing is=2E ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 07:35:14 PST Subject: the_dojang: Run Around the Ring-Cowardice While fortunately this doesn't happen too often it does happen often enough where one of the competitors literally runs around the ring either perceiving themselves as using a strategic approach to a match or just plain being a coward. I have yet to see a really effective strategy for the opponent. I am also taking into consideration that the ref usually doesn't do too much about the match either and they let it continue like some kind of three ring circus. Most of the time the opponent is so surprised that their competition runs around instead of fighting, that for a few dazed moments they look like they don't know what to make of the situation so they stand there trying to figure out what's happening. I've seen more aggressive fighters attempt to counter the runner and perhaps corner them but they usually wind up looking like they are chasing them. I've seen others attempt to stand their ground in the middle of the ring while this person plays ring around the rosey, pocket full of poseys... Does anyone have a good technique to absolutely put an early halt to this type of match. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 07:57:28 PST Subject: the_dojang: Old Folks and Sparring Folks- second, my "response"time and "speed" are much slower than everyone else in the class. What I am looking for is a strategy that will allow me to be more effective in freesparring. Any help?- -Ray +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ To Ray and Perry: First good luck on your tournament Perry and also good luck to Ray. One of the best martial artists that I have seen spar was an instructor approximately 50 years old. He approached sparring as he did board breaking and the rest of his martial arts. He approched it from a "physics" standpoint and every move was executed to almost perfection. He would do a backspinning kick into 5/6 boards and they would snap on the first attempt. It was quite beautiful to watch. And these were green boards not dried. He did sparring the same way. He took his time in the ring.. He was patient and unflustered and a quiet soul. He was stable and balanced (mentally and physically) which added to his strength. He was not a big person by any means, actually on the small side. But he took that same kick he used in breaking and used it in sparring - when the time was right. He had excellent timing. He also used punches. His matches were a delight to watch. Pure excellence. He knew how to score points and he knew how to set his opponent up. Many a larger opponent left the ring quite surprised at the outcome. I think it's important not to become complacent and assume that your competitors will not be formidable opponents. I have seen some of the most skilled competitors come into their own in the 35-50 age group. It is their patience, understanding, and timing. They have let their egos go. They have nothing to prove other than to better themselves and it becomes quite a challenge to beat these individuals. I also know many older individuals (men and women) that are in far better physical shape than they were in their younger days. They have a better appreciation for the value of their health and their life. They are tenacious on a deeper level than the young competitors. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:45:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #69 ******************************* Support the USTU by joining today! 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