From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #80 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 9 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 080 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: criticism the_dojang: Born a BlackBelt the_dojang: Choi, Young Sool the_dojang: RE: Dedicated Students the_dojang: Predicting a Match Outcome the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #79 the_dojang: Berkeley BOUNCE the_dojang: Non-member submission from (fwd) the_dojang: from WTF News, Vol3 No1 the_dojang: WTF events calendar the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800+ members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:06:34 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: criticism << That if you do see something that needs to be corrected that you should do it immediately or within the first few moments you see it. Otherwise people have a tendency to forget what exactly they are being corrected for if too much time lapses. Most people need to relate it to a particular situation otherwise it won't make any sense and the situation will be more likely to occur again. >> i can relate to that. sometimes i even need to ask the master to show me what i was doing wrong, then show me what he wants done. i guess i just gotta have that visual occasionally since sometimes i cant see the difference. (we didnt have any mirrors in that dojang). melinda chunjido@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 13:11:55 PST Subject: the_dojang: Born a BlackBelt We don't get to the pinnacle because the teacher pointed to it--we get there because _we_ walked (or crawled, in some cases) ourselves. While that pointing finger may have helped us notice the mountain the first place, nobody carried us up there. Everyone's trip is different. some fall. Some are pushed! Some have to pull themselves up to begin with! Some turn and go in the opposite direction of the finger--and still find interesting, useful things. Wherever they go, they leave the past behind, but also carry small bits of it into the future. The present? That's our actual conscious time. I'd say the here-and-now, but --d'oh!!-- it, too, has passed.- --C.J. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Thanks for your thoughtful and thought provoking post and for answering my question. I have always felt that some people are born blackbelts. And while we join the martial arts for various reasons and work hard and sometimes struggle to attain our various levels of blackbelt;for some individuals they didn't need the blackbelt to convince me of their integrity, strength of character, and beauty of soul. They were blackbelts when they were whitebelts. For those unique individuals I always felt it was merely a validation of who they already were. While I am sure they learned much in class I do believe they brought an equal amount, if not more, to the class and their presence has a remarkable yet quiet effect on everyone who's lives they touch. Doesn't mean they were the most gifted or talented. I have been honored to know a few of these people and while they may not be reading this forum this is my way of thanking them for adding so much to my life. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Jim Lacquement Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:30:09 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Choi, Young Sool I have been told that an Aikidoist by the name of Stan Prannin has a picture of Young Sool Choi, the founder of Hapkido, with Sokaku Takeda at a seminar in Japan. As I am interested in the history of Hapkido and of found a lot of the stories to be untrue, I would be extremely interested if anybody has seen this or any other evidence (not heresay) of Choi's presence in Japan. I would also be interested in others opinions of the history of Hapkido (please do not bring up the Hwarang of the Silla Dynasty). Kamsa hapnida, Jim ------------------------------ From: "Longhorn, Andrew" Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:51:44 +1100 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Dedicated Students > Absolutely. The worst example I've seen happened about 3 years ago when > one of our cho dans was leading warm up exercises for a class in which > his > wife, a 7th gup, and several other adults and children were participating. > > Our warm ups consist of a set of calisthenics and dynamic stretching > followed by a set of basic strike and kick drills, with a short rest > period > between the two sets. When this particular rest period had ended, the cho > dan instructed the class to line up. Everyone but his wife jumped up and > immediately did so. He waited a few seconds, and, when she didn't move > from her seat on the floor, said, "come on, get back in line, please". > Her > response was "I'll get up when I'm d*** good and ready". While this > anecdote is a bit amusing on one level, it demonstrates a profound > ignorance of the principles upon which martial arts training must be > based, > not to mention setting the worst example possible for the children in the > group. Even sadder, the woman is a school teacher. Fortunately, she no > longer trains. Unfortunately, neither does her husband. > >I guess my biggest pet peeve is saying yeah or ok or sure or nah to > > the instructor. Yes sir/m'am, no sir/m'am or beginning a question > > with sir/m'am. There must be some respect that is maintained in the > > > dojang even if the person who you are teaching is your mother. (I > have > > trained my mom and she does address me as sir within the dojang.) > > Tang Soo! > Scott A. Miller > samiller@bix.com samiller@cyberenet.net > This is a joke right? I can't believe she would have done that! Unbelievable. I suppose she was only a 7th gup, but still... I can't believe it. Andrew Longhorn ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:59:41 PST Subject: the_dojang: Predicting a Match Outcome A long time ago when I was competing one of the blackbelt higher ranking referees would always tell me he could always tell who was going to win the match by the look in their eyes (determination, focus, etc). Now my questions are: Do you find this to be true with any certain amount of predictability? If a referee feels she/he can do this do you feel they are really just predisposed to making it happen and isn't that really a prejudice or favoritism for one of the competitors. Or do you feel you can still have that feeling, that awareness but still be objective (sort of like a wager on a fight). Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:49:52 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #79 In a message dated 2/9/99 12:50:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Gosh, there are alot of martial artisits out there with those patches, stripes and trim. And alot of martial artists who work much harder in class in order to someday get them. That sounds like some terrible advice. By saying this you have just demeaned the thousands of martial artists who wear symbols of their achievemnt on their UNIFORM. >> Thanks for sharing your dissenting comments, I must, however, stick to my opinion on this one. Here's why: Am I to construe that just because "thousands" of people sew patches on their martial arts practice attire, that makes it a worthy practice? I am sorry if my view offends you, but I do not equate a practice which is popular, and possibly effective, necessarily with one which is good. Do you? Even if though they are widely popular and enhance athletic performance dramatically, should I be using anabolic steroids? ...Besides, do you suspect that the folks you referenced would not train hard and improve their skills in the absence of some token or patch attesting to their prowess? That is like saying I busted my backside all through college because I was motivated primarily by an 8 by 10 inch piece of paper with my name on it. Maybe I am extremely odd, but I worked hard in school to receive the education that the paper represented. Sincerely, S.E.Silz ------------------------------ From: burdickd Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:08:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Berkeley Thanks for the information on Berkeley's program Perry. I'm also at a university (Indiana University Bloomington). We have an enrollment of about 1,000 students each semester (out of 30,000 in the entire university) in martial arts classes. There are also clubs (TKD, HKD, taijiquan, aikido, fencing, jujutsu, judo, shotokan karate) which charge no more than $35 per semester (testing fees to black belt are about $300 total, including all lower rank tests). $5 of the club fee goes to insurance, $5 to the club and the rest to the instructor. How does that $85 charge breakdown at Berkeley? And does any of that $2 million grant the Martial Arts program there received a few years back go to supporting classes or materials, or is it all earmarked for the book series? Lastly, I'm really curious about those single wrap belts. Does anyone else use them? If not, what was the rationale behind them? Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:03:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: BOUNCE the_dojang: Non-member submission from (fwd) You are subscribed as jberwin@sc45.dseg.ti.com. Please correct. Ray - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Forwarded message: Subject: BOUNCE the_dojang: Non-member submission from [jberwin@sc45.rsc.raytheon.com (John Brett Erwin 972-952-3738 ERWN)] Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:04:00 -0600 (CST) From: jberwin@sc45.rsc.raytheon.com (John Brett Erwin 972-952-3738 ERWN) Subject: Re: Pointless >Because stripes on one's black belt, "Assistant Instructor's Club" >patches on one's sleeve, or special "rank trim" on one's dobok are all >pointless ways to advertise something that warrants no advertising. But in some respects, rank and instructorship do warrant advertising. In class, lower ranked students can easily identify instructors to gain help from. (Yes, I know the instructors are the ones leading the class, but other instructors should be working out in class). These minor stripes, patches, etc. (though sometime can get excesssive, I admit) can show: 1) rank 2) instructor (trainee or certified) 3) Tournament judging level certification 4) organizational patch - good for identity at tournaments or visiting other schools. 5) school patch - good for tournaments or visiting other schools. I have MADE NEW FRIENDS simply because they came up to me because they though my school patch looked cool! Brett Erwin Allen, TX jberwin@ti.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:35:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: from WTF News, Vol3 No1 From The WTF News, Volume 3 Number 1 Two Head Gears for One Contestant Contestants who will participate in the 1999 World Taekwondo Championships to be held in Edmonton, Canada on June 2-6, 1999 and Taekwondo Qualification Tournament scheduled for July 8-11, 1999 in Zagreb, Croatia shall bring the WTF-recognized protective equipment for personal use as mentioned in invitations of these two events. By the way, as to the head gear, the WTF requests that contestants bring both red and blue head gears with them. Head gear other than white? Is that a recent change? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:36:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: WTF events calendar WTF Taekwondo Events Calendar (as of 1/25/99) 1999 3rd Mexican Open TKD Champ Feb. 18-21 Mexico City 11th South Pacific Games end of May Guam 14th World TKD Champ & 7th Women's World TKD Champ June 2-6 Edmonton, Alberta, Canada TKD qualification Tournament July 8-11 Zagreb, Croatia for Sydney Olympics 13th Pam Am Games July 26-Aug 8 Winnipeg, Canada 20th Southeast Asian Games Aug 7-15 Brunei 2nd World Military Games Aug 11-14 Zagreb, Croatia 7th All African Games Sep 10-19 Johannesburg, South Africa Regional Selection TKD Tourny Sep-Oct (in 4 continents) for Sydney Olympics - Europe Oct 16-17 Stockholm, Sweden - North America early Sep Miami, Florida - Asia Sep 25-26 Manila, Philippines - Africa Johannesburg, South Africa 8th South Asian Fed. Games Sep 25-Oct 4 Kathmandu, Nepal 2nd Pacific Ocean Games Oct 6-17 Santiago, Chile TKD Test Event for Sydney Dec 4-5 Sydney, Australia 2000 6th World University TKD Champ Mar 29-Apr 2 Kaohsiung, Taipei 27th Olympic Games TKD Sep 27-30 Sydney, Australia 14th Asian TKD Champ Hong Kong 6th African TKD (3rd Women's) Champ Zimbabwe ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:37:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #80 ******************************* Support the USTU by joining today! 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