From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #83 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thurs, 11 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 083 In this issue: the_dojang: 3 Step Sparring the_dojang: head gear & quote & 3/1 steps the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #81 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #82 the_dojang: Re: training and osteoporosis the_dojang: Reply the_dojang: Relocating the_dojang: Welcombe to Hapkido the_dojang: Executive/ancient/old fogies/seniors the_dojang: Re: V6 #82: More on patches, etc. the_dojang: Bells and Whistles and I love em' the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800+ members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:06:07 +1000 Subject: the_dojang: 3 Step Sparring >I was wondering if anyone out there has some 3 step sparring drills they >would like to share with me? I know the ones taught by my old master, but I >am sure there are tons of them I do not know. In Taekwondo Australia we have five basic 3 step drills which are taught from white belt up.they are: 1. Side A attacks with R middle punch, L middle punch, R face punch while Side B defends with R mid section block, L mid section block, R upper block. Side B then attacks with R knife hand to side of neck, L back fist, stepping into horseriding stance and double puch to mid section. 2. Similar to number 1, except Side As third attack is a R back fist, and Side Bs attack is R elbow strike, R back fist, double punch. 3. Side A attacks with R front kick R mid section punch, L front kick L mid section punch, R front kick R mid section punch. Side B defends with R low section guarding block R middle block, L low section guarding block L middle block, R low section guarding block R middle block. Side B attacks with stepping R, L side kick, turn 180 degrees L, R side Kick, L back side kick, R middle punch. 4. Side A attacks with R turning kick (roundhouse) L middle punch, L turning kick R middle punch, R turning kick L middle punch while Side B defends with L outer forearm block R middle block, R outer forearm block L middle block, L outer forearm block R middle block. Side B attacks with stepping L, R side kick, L turning kick, R back side kick, L middle punch. 5. Side A attacks with R side kick L middle punch, L side Kick R middle punch, R side kick L middle punch while Side B defends with L middle block R middle bock, R middle block L middle block, L middle block R middle block. Side B attacks with R crescent kick (in to out), L crescent kick (out to in), R back side kick (or hook kick), L middle punch (or elbow stike). We have in the past begun one step sparring at red belt level. This year we are introducing two step sparring at blue belt level to serve as a tansition from the relatively static three step sparring to the fluid one steps. Jim Muir jim.muir@dao.defence.gov.au ------------------------------ From: Mike Heeney Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:09:00 +1300 Subject: the_dojang: head gear & quote & 3/1 steps Coloured head gear - I for one like the idea. Here in NZ the top players are going that way. I thought it had been going on for a while over in Korea. Steve Alexander wrote: "To win 100 victories in 100 battles is not the highest skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill. Gichin Funokoshi" Ah, but I believe Sun Tzu (sp?) said it first ;) Now Steve, when you talk about 3/1 steps are you meaning things like: (A) punch (R) (D) inner forearm block (R) (D) backfist (R) (D) back kick (L) (D) jumping roundhouse (from back kick) (R) (A) jumping double roundhouse (L-R) (D) shift to the side, palm strike (R) If so, I'll send you the ones we do. Just let me know :) Mike Hamilton New Zealand. http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~mheeney <-- me/myself/I - Taekwondo - Riverdance ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:53:27 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #81 Hi, Id like to make everyone aware of a Combat Hapkido Seminar that will be taking place in Indianapolis, Indiana on Saturday May 15th with Grandmaster John Pelligrini. If you are interested in attending, please call Mark Daley @ 317-823-4788 Thanks Mark Daley Indianapolis, Indiana ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:15:16 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #82 >This reply is somewhat late, but since no-one else has picked up >on this thread I feel that I should. Unfortunately it is almost home- >time here in ZA land (and its been a loooong day) - but I promise to >write back with some advice (I think I also need to do some more >research into this area). BTW can you tell me what the underlying >cause of the nephrotic syndrome is (a syndrome is just that, not a >diagnosis such a glomerulosclerosis etc) ? Nephrotic syndrome has various degrees. Micah has minimal change disease (mcd) which means his filters have inexplicably enlarged and protein passes out of his system instead of recycling back into it. He does have some focal segmental glomerulosclerosis (fsgs), but not a significant amount. His kidneys do function and a transplant should not be necessary. He is given prednisone to keep the kidneys from becoming inflammed, therefore leading to his spilling protein and the problems that causes. (Severe swelling as the cell walls begin to break down and fluid seeps into the soft tissue putting pressure on his internal organs.) He also takes immuran in combination with the prednisone so that he doesn't have to take as much prednisone. (He would be at 45 mg every other day instead of 30 if not for the immuran.) karla ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:08:16 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: training and osteoporosis In a message dated 2/10/99 10:09:51 AM, you wrote: <> You aren't kidding. He's currently on 30 mg every other day and 50 mg of immuran daily. If his proteins stay down, we'll drop him 5 mg of prednisone each week in an attempt to wean him from it. His pediatrician, nephrologist and the orthopedist did have a discussion today and have increased his daily dairy intake to 4-5 servings daily. What's important is the calcium/phospherous/vitamin d balance the dairy provides rather than go with a calcium supplement at this time. It's still unclear if we will have to change his meds or not....it's a time will tell waiting game. I'll tell ya, I know more about the kidneys than I ever wanted to. I keep reminding these guys that it wasn't that I *couldn't* go to med school, it's just that I didn't *want* to go to med school. Give me the 5 conventions of a Senecan tragedy and why they are significant to Shakespeare's plays over this stuff any day. Tang Soo! Karla ------------------------------ From: "Perry Seto" Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:33:54 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Reply Greg, I think we test in a very similar fashion then. We have had many a person come through who has not had the best physical ability, but because of their attitude and hard work, we still give them their black belts. They do, however, have to have shown a certain amount of physical improvement through their training time. We, however, will judge that person by the the amount of improvement rather then in "absolute" skill terms. In other words, how much you improve is as important or more so than your absolute skills. Attitude and "martial spirit" probably count the heaviest of all among our judging criteria. At Cal we test once a semester, so it can be up to twenty weeks between tests. We don't use pre-tests. In the "old days", when we were still on a quarter system, it was an unwritten rule that you had to wait a quarter between test (each quarter was ten weeks). We don't have that rule these days. From 1st kup to 1st dan, however, one must skip at least one semester .... and many wait two or more. You also have to get permission from Master Park, the director, (or Dr. Min) in order to test. As part of every dan test, one has to do a five page book report on a martial arts book or periodical and a fifteen page term paper. The paper's topic can range from martial arts to philosophy to science in the martial arts, it's pretty open. From third dan on up, the paper has to be presented in a seminar to your peers and seniors. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Dawne, Thanks for your comments on my story. Believe me, I was pretty stunned. That's probably the only thing that kept me from "losing it". (Also, I was scared s****less to say anything to Dr. Min for fear of him taking it back) :-)) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jamaica, Read your post on Joanne of Arc. You forgot about another cross-dresser ..... Hua Mulan. :-)) As you know, her story is a well known Chinese legend. BTW ... have you watched the movie yet? >I have always felt that some people are born blackbelts. And while we >join the martial arts for various reasons and work hard and sometimes >struggle to attain our various levels of blackbelt;for some individuals >they didn't need the blackbelt to convince me of their integrity, >strength of character, and beauty of soul. I've always had the same feeling, Jamaica. Getting the black belt for these people is just a validation of what they already are. See above response to Greg .... attitude and "martial spirit" is as important, probably more so, than absolute physical skill. - -Perry- pseto@aptl.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:33:51 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Relocating Hi all, I have a couple of questions for everyone here Because Due to some unforeseen circumstances, I may be laid off next week :( This isn't such a bad thing except for the fact that I am seriously considering moving out of state and I have a Dojang here. I only have 5 students, two of which are my Boyfriend (practically husband) and his son. They would be moving with me and help me relocate the school. But how do you break such news to the other 3 students and friends. Because of the small size of the classes, the friendliness and comradery, how do I break it to them, that what I just began is going to end and they will have to look for another instructor in another style. Does anyone have any advice? How would you like to hear news like this? How wouldn't you like to hear news like this? Would anyone stay in touch with there former students after such an event? Thank you, Stacy ------------------------------ From: HThomas Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 05:47:59 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Welcombe to Hapkido Dawne wrote: > >Well, folks I believe I am the newest HKD student on this list. Last >night was my second class and all I can say is "OUCH". > Welcome to Hapkido! > >Unfortunately, I have two small problems. First, there is this side > >roll that's been haunting me. > All you can really do is keep practicing. Make sure your form is right (ask the instructor/more senior students), and if you have a "crash pad," a really thick pad for breakfall practice, use that. You might also try one of those neoprene waist reducers (they don't work for spot reductions), if it's the waist/hips that are taking the beating. I trained with a guy once who found them very helpful in adding just a bit of extra padding. Heavier dobok will also help. > Secondly, I have a hard time working with other women. I'm still > getting used to the fact that its ok to hurt your partner. Half of the technique is the receiveing side, the attacker's response, a breakfall, roll, or whatever. This is just as important, I think, as learning how to do the throw or lock. This is where the counters come in. Without the knowledge of how to handle the technique when it's done to you, you can't defend yourself or turn it around. So, you are helping your partners, men or women, when you do the techniques to them. Again, welcome to Hapkido. Holcombe Thomas ------------------------------ From: "Perry Seto" Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:15:43 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Executive/ancient/old fogies/seniors OK ... so I answered my own question. :-)) I got a look at the registration packet for the 3rd National Golden Seniors Championships last night and I finally got my question clarified. Looks like you and I was confuuuuusssed, Jamaica .... the Golden Seniors are from 35(?) to 40. The Executive Seniors are for those of us who are lucky enough to be 41 or older. :-)) Guess we had it the other way around. Guess age does that to you, huh? ...hehe Soooooo ..... I guess we need a new name for the "Executive Seniors". :-)) - -Perry- pseto@aptl.com ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:36:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V6 #82: More on patches, etc. In one narrow sense there is a difference. There is a finite supply of trophies for each tournament event, usually for first and second, or first, second and third place. Accuracy of judges aside, this ensures that a trophy has a fixed value, at least within the context of that event, since not everyone can get one. Patches can have a much looser correlation with achievement, since there frequently isn't any set criteria for awarding them. I can go either way on the value of patches generally. The important issue to me is consistency and clarity in what accomplishments are measured and what behavior motivated. IMHO there is a danger of confusion with the main system of recognition, which in most systems is belt color and stripes. I _can_ see how such awards could motivate some students, particularly younger ones. Even there, perhaps the criteria should be narrow, similar to merit badges in scouting. For adults, I don't know. Wouldn't it be better for motivation to come from within? I guess it goes to the criteria again. If an award didn't cost much in terms of effort, dedication, or achievement, how much can it be worth? >If this is a flawed comparison someone feel free to correct me, >but is there a difference between hard earned trophies and hard earned >patches? Tang Soo! Scott A. Miller samiller@bix.com samiller@cyberenet.net ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:32:30 PST Subject: the_dojang: Bells and Whistles and I love em' best if all felt like that. However, my thoughts are that in styles where rank is imposed and is a goal (i.e. getting your black belt) students will be interested in rank and all the bells and whistles that go with advancement (stripes, titles, patches, etc). On the other hand thereare styles in which rank is not a goal, e.g. muay Thai, Eskrima/Kali, catch-as-catch-can wrestling, etc. In these styles you do not tendto see uniforms, belts, patches, ransk, etc. You are just there to learn. Both have pros & cons. Ray Terry ++++++++++++++++++++++= This is going to seem very simplistic but it's so very true. I love my patches, and pins and stripes. Know why? All my life I never really had much in this regard. No rewards for much. No pats on the back. Not a lot of support. Had to be a survivor. In school never belonged to the athletic activities or too many social functions. That's just the way it was. Grew up on the streets. There were other things that took precedence. When in my adult years I was able to accomplish some of these feats, compete in tournaments, referee, get not just one blackbelt but a few, some tropies and medals and pins, it was an incredible sense of good feeling and personal accomplishment. And I really really did earn my stripes. Felt like I had done great battle to achieve some of them. Like I won some kind of personal battle. Don't flaunt them at all. They are like my personal treasures in my personal jewelry box. I'm just plain proud of them, of each and every belt and each and every memory. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:24:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #83 ******************************* Support the USTU by joining today! 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