From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #85 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thurs, 11 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 085 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Bells and Whistles and I love em' the_dojang: Re: Executive Seniors the_dojang: Love Me...Love My Belts the_dojang: Sun Do Sul the_dojang: Lineage of Hapkido the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #84 the_dojang: Trophies the_dojang: Fear the_dojang: Headgear the_dojang: RE: Oh what, what, shall we call ourselves??? the_dojang: Re: 3 steps the_dojang: RE: How much is that trophy in the window? the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #84 the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #82 the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "CALLAHAN" Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:00:55 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Bells and Whistles and I love em' > This is going to seem very simplistic but it's so very true. I love my > patches, and pins and stripes. Know why? All my life I never really > had much in this regard. No rewards for much. No pats on the back. Not > a lot of support. Had to be a survivor. In school never belonged to > the athletic activities or too many social functions. That's just the > way it was. Grew up on the streets. There were other things that took > precedence. When in my adult years I was able to accomplish some of > these feats, compete in tournaments, referee, get not just one blackbelt > but a few, some tropies and medals and pins, it was an incredible sense > of good feeling and personal accomplishment. And I really really did > earn my stripes. Felt like I had done great battle to achieve some of > them. Like I won some kind of personal battle. Don't flaunt them at > all. They are like my personal treasures in my personal jewelry box. > I'm just plain proud of them, of each and every belt and each and every > memory. > > Jamaica I haven't been following this thread too closely, so forgive me if any if this has been said before. It sounds like you have struggled and overcome a lot in your life, and the feelings you have for yourself are well deserved, and you should certainly be proud. But... Is it necessary to have materialistic possessions (either flaunted or held privately) in order to have these feelings of confidence and accomplishment? Can't we feel these emotions within ourselves without the need for materialistic things? Is it healthy to cherish such objects so deeply instead of allowing the memory to be the primary focus for those feelings? Isn't it the accomplishment itself that is most important, instead of the awards and/or rewards? The above are meant to be more as observatory statements than actual questions. A response is not necessary. Chris Callahan "Violence when there is an alternative, is immoral; Violence when there is no alternative, is survival" ------------------------------ From: Ray Simmons Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:08:46 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Executive Seniors How about cronologically challenged seniors? (I'm one of them!) - -Ray > ------------------------------ > > From: John Hancock > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:12:18 -0600 > Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #83 > > > iSoooooo ..... I guess we need a new name for the "Executive Seniors". :-)) > > > > - -Perry- > > pseto@aptl.com > > How about... "Chronologically Abundant Seniors" > > (smirk, smirk, smirk) > > John Hancock > > ------------------------------ - -- Ray Simmons EMC Corporation res@mil.emc.com 5 technology Dr. (508)435-1000 x55669 Milford, Ma. 01757 - -------- Opinions are mine alone --------- ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:24:36 PST Subject: the_dojang: Love Me...Love My Belts Here! Here! I concur. I'm proud of every one of the belts I earned...and I'm so glad I have them all....especially sense I now need several of them tied together just to get around the "mastery" of my belly. Snort, snicker, smirk!)John Hancock ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Welcome Back! So those belts....are they the single wraps like Perry has or the double wraps??? Makes a difference you know. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:24:00 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Sun Do Sul You may check with the Han Mu Do group. I believe that Master Kimm of Han Mu Do does tours and one of the places that they visit is a Sun Do Sul area. He may know about this. I could be wrong though. Jeremy ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:32:53 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Lineage of Hapkido C.J., The information that you sited was very interesting. Would you be able to email the references. I would like to look them over for my studies. Thank you. Jeremy JeremyT@atfi.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:44:52 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #84 Respectfully We may never know the whole truth about Grandmaster Choi and his study with Takeda. So we all have opinions. Here is mine 1. The skill of Choi was of the very highest level, ask any of his long time students not somthing he could have gotten from a few semminars. 2. Choi claims he was told by Takeda that he was the only student that Takeda had taught all of his knowledge he was also told to go back to Korea for Takeda feared that an attempt would be made on his life, lets face it there was/is alot of animosity between Korea & Japan 3. What we consider to be history is not always the truth. ------------------------------ From: "Perry Seto" Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:12:06 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Trophies I've been reading the various posts addressing patches, trophies, belts, etc. over the last few days and finally had to kick in my own two cents. Now .... these are my own personal feelings ..... you're entitled to yours, and I appreciate that. I received my black belt - all 2/3 of it :-) - back in '79. It is plain ole black ... no stripes, no hangul, no nothin' except for the wear marks I've been working so hard to get into it (though I have thought about buying a belt with the embroidering - just never have done it - figured it'll take too long to get that "worn look" ). I've always kinda figured that the guys I work out with already know my rank so I don't need to tell them (and if they listen to me only because I have a higher rank than them, then I haven't yet earned their respect) .... and as for the rest of the world .... they don't need to know .... or they can ask. I've also gotten my share of trophies and medals. The trophies disappeared sometime ago in one of my house moves - I think my wife said to get rid of them. :-) and I've packed the medals away for safe keeping. I treasure the memories of all of the tournaments and the fights and, every once in a while, I pull them out as a reminder. Now ... as far as I'm concerned ... the medals and belts and such are useful if they help to remind me of the work and the training and the blood, sweat and tears that went into getting them. Otherwise they're just metal and cloth. I think that's where I'm going with this. To me, if a person wants the medals and the stripes and the patches and, if it helps to motivate that person .... GO FOR IT!! If you're collecting medals and trophies and stripes to collect them ..... then your not a martial artist to me anyway. It would just be easier to go out and buy them. It's a matter of attitude and character....... these items, if approached properly and used properly, can be a tool for self-improvement and self-drive .... but, that is, IF they are used properly. It's like any other tool, used properly and it's a wonderful. Used improperly, it can be detrimental or downright dangerous. Anyway, that's a short version of my two bits - I'm sure you'd hate to see the long version. :-)) Thanks again to you all for "listening" - and don't forget, these are MY opinions. You're welcome to your own. Just, please, don't beat each other up over opinions. - -Perry- pseto@aptl.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:38:30 PST Subject: the_dojang: Fear Does anyone teach how not to be afraid or scared. Can this be effectively taught to someone who's led a sheltered life and their best experience with fear has been in the dojang? Can you teach someone not to have a panic attack or do you think this is something that has to be learned from a real life experience? Has it ever backfired where the student got really angry at you for your methods of teaching real life situations? Maybe because deep down they really don't want to admit it could happen to them? Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:09:57 PST Subject: the_dojang: Headgear American Martial Arts Supply is another source for a wide variety of head gear in a wide variety of colors red, white, blue, black and now even metallic teal!! http://www.hand-crafted.com/new0009.html Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:15:53 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Oh what, what, shall we call ourselves??? > From: John Hancock > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:12:18 -0600 > Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #83 > > > iSoooooo ..... I guess we need a new name for the "Executive Seniors". > :-)) > > > > - -Perry- > > pseto@aptl.com > > How about... "Chronologically Abundant Seniors" > > (smirk, smirk, smirk) > > John Hancock > > Well, I have to say my favorite is Ancient Warriors, as I've posted previously. John's idea has merit, though. If we just changed it to "Chronologically Endowed..." ;-) Kerry kerry.atchinson@wichita.boeing.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:24:08 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: 3 steps In a message dated 2/10/99, 9:08:52 AM, the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: <> I teach many 3 steps in my class. In fact I encourage advanced students to develop thier own 1 and 3 steps. I set limitations on the number of techniques and they must flow well, but after I review them the students are free to practice them in class, show them to other students, and even use them at testings. Give it some thought, do what works. Jason Swanson TKD 3rd Dan Lincoln, NE ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:39:36 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: How much is that trophy in the window? > Whether a trophy made out of plastic or patch made of cloth, I guess what > you put in to them is what you get out of them. Some trophies are > relatively easy to own, some extrordinarily difficult. The same goes with > patches, some come very easily, some are quite the accomplishment. > > Greg Giddins > ggiddins@ossinc.net > > I agree. This brings to mind a patch I have in my box of memorabilia. I got it in the 6th grade for being chosen to play in the grade school all-star basketball game in my home town. Why does it mean so much? I was a LOUSY player. In fact, my teammates were upset that I was chosen. Coach (a high-school kid) told them straight out that it was because of the effort I put into practice and play. Perhaps my earliest lesson that spirit and attitude can be worth a lot more than raw talent. Kerry kerry.atchinson@wichita.boeing.com ------------------------------ From: Chuck Sears Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:47:56 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #84 > > From: "Jamaica Power" > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:07:17 PST > Subject: the_dojang: Confusion/Clarification > > Looks like you and I was confuuuuusssed, Jamaica .... the Golden Seniors > arefrom 35(?) to 40. The Executive Seniors are for those of us who are > lucky enough to be 41 or older. :-)) Guess we had it the other way > around. Perry Seto. > _____________________________ > > hahahah Definitely wouldn't be the first time I was confused. Back to > the drawing board and thanks for the clarification... > > And > > From: John Hancock > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:12:18 -0600 > Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #83 > > > iSoooooo ..... I guess we need a new name for the "Executive Seniors". :-)) > > > > - -Perry- > > pseto@aptl.com > > How about... "Chronologically Abundant Seniors" > > (smirk, smirk, smirk) > Actually, in my division (50+), we refer to ourselves as the "Viagra Ninjas." ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:49:46 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #82 > I have (too much) personal experience with prednisone. Though i tmay have > save my life, 10 years ago, I has destroied my hip joints to where, at 40, > I > am facing total jhip replacement. Any questions may be directed to me at > tkdscribe@aol.com > Sincerely, > Steven E. Silz > > Ouch. Steven, what are your chances for getting those replacements? We have a 5th Dan in his early 40's at our school that needs a hip replacement but supposedly can't because he's not "old enough". Kerry kerry.atchinson@wichita.boeing.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:25:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #85 ******************************* Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, California Taekwondo Standard disclaimers apply.