From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #86 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 12 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 086 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: training and osteoporosis the_dojang: Comparison the_dojang: Do Ju Ji Han Jae Seminar the_dojang: treasures Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #85 the_dojang: Walking, crawling or being pushed the_dojang: Stuff the_dojang: "martial spirit" the_dojang: white belt 3 steps the_dojang: Re: Fear the_dojang: Relocating the_dojang: Materialistic possessions? the_dojang: Bells and Whistles - I love em the_dojang: History of some GM's the_dojang: Pins and things for kids the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: April R Miller Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:02:30 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: training and osteoporosis Karla, I don't recall what the original question was, but I knew I had some info stashed away in the back of mind about prednisone and osteoporosis. I use to have regular contact with a teen who had been on it for years, actually took him to TKD class once, in his wheelchair. As luck would have it he ended up with stress fractures in his spine (not from class). They found out that the calcium supplements weren't really working for him so they switched him to a new one that was a nasal spray - so file that idea away in your head if you haven't already heard it. It seems pretty obvious that contact anything is out until you can get the bone mass back up. Depending on the severity just hitting a bag or pad could cause stress fractures. Good luck, April Miller arm@servtech.com > In a message dated 2/10/99 10:09:51 AM, you wrote: > > < stuff is rather hard on your bones, strength, etc. > >> > > You aren't kidding. He's currently on 30 mg every other day and 50 mg of > immuran daily. If his proteins stay down, we'll drop him 5 mg of prednisone > each week in an attempt to wean him from it. His pediatrician, nephrologist > and the orthopedist did have a discussion today and have increased his daily > dairy intake to 4-5 servings daily. What's important is the > calcium/phospherous/vitamin d balance the dairy provides rather than go with a > calcium supplement at this time. It's still unclear if we will have to change > his meds or not....it's a time will tell waiting game. > > > Karla > ------------------------------ From: "SylverEyes, Perky Death Goddess of Alternate Reality(Crackland)" Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:05:05 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Comparison First of I have thank everyone for their nice response to my last, horribly long e-mail.. :) Anyway, what I wanted to ask, was, what do you think of comparing your ability(when in certain belts) to others in that same belt? Does the same belt necessarily always indicate the same level? I mean, obviously, a thirteen year old black belt and a thirty year old black belt will probably have differences in power, but I was thinking more in terms of the lower levels. Such as, I was training today and was sparring with this twenty-something black belt lady, and I really kinda suck at spinning hook kicks. :P She offered some helpful instructions and said that when she was a green belt, she could do a spinning hook kick, so I should be able to, too. Is that an accurate statement, do you think? Actually, I believe it, since I should be able to do the damn thing after attempting so many... I can do it, but it's not perfect. Anyway. I was wondering what you all thought of that. And also, about being frustrated... I try and train three times a week... I occasionally use a punching bag for short bursts of energy :) and I do practice my spinning hook kick, but I'm definitely not good at my sparring, either. It's just irritating because my friend seems more naturally capable of it all... she has beautiful spinning kicks and has great technique for sparring, yet she trains probably less than half the times I do. *Argh* I wonder if I'm just not cut out for it. Or maybe I'm just a late bloomer *grin* Okay, see, now I've rambled on again. Syl - -- drowning in dreams - http://swansongs.net/drowned ------------------------------ From: "G. Booth" Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:06:28 +1100 Subject: the_dojang: Do Ju Ji Han Jae Seminar A Quick note to the Australian members of the list, Do Ju Ji Han Jae will be holding Australian Seminars in Sydney during March Currently planned are a one day course on the 7th as well as a week long course beginning on the 7th and finishing on the 12th. For more details e-mail me directly. Regards Master Geoff J. Booth Australian Hapkido Group http://hapkido.netro.com.au "The art is in the person, all we have to do is bring it out" ------------------------------ From: Judi Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:06:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: treasures Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #85 One gathers many treasures in life. Perhaps the most notable is memories of accomplishment, and of love. The material possession serve as a reminder or refresher of those memories so that one can be re-focused on what has really meant something throughout life. As an executive senior myself >>:-) sometimes those memories can fade and be forgotten. My treasures such as photos or memorabilia remind me of those good decisions I made and the curious paths less travelled. Judi <-------------------------------------------------------------------> Be the change you want to see in the world. - Ghandi it was an incredible sense > of good feeling and personal accomplishment. And I really really did > earn my stripes. Felt like I had done great battle to achieve some of > them. Like I won some kind of personal battle. Don't flaunt them at all. ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:24:16 EST Subject: the_dojang: Walking, crawling or being pushed In a message dated 2/11/99 3:44:08 PM, you wrote: <> Do I walk, crawl or get pushed? The answer is yes....let me explain. My personal philosophy has always been you do your best to finish what you start. I know that is not always possible...to use Stephen Covey's analogy, sometimes you realize your climbing your ladder but it's against the wrong wall. You can either continue to climb your ladder or you can get down, move it and start again. I usually choose to move my ladder. ; ) Personally, I see my training as being a stop and go thing for at least a few more years. Partly because of my kids, partly because of where I am in my life. It's not that I am not committed, just that I am not solely a martial artist. (Nor do I see myself solely as a mom, a technical writer, a partner, etc.) Like the best gems out there, I have many facets that make me whole. I am learning that the fanatics have as much to teach me as the casual martial artists. Like the yin-yang, balance is essential. My best teachers have always been those whom have a life outside the dojang. Especially those with young children. They have learned that there is more to life than a narrow focus and translate that to their training style. They always know when to push me, when to let me crawl, when to let me walk and when to encourage me to run. The ones that have taught me the best technically are those who's sole devotion in life is to the martial arts, but they are also the hardest to bear in so many different ways. They have their place, but I would rather learn that I am part of the whole rather than believe my piece of the pie is the only one. Tang Soo! Karla ------------------------------ From: "Perry Seto" Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:32:14 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Stuff >Kerry wrote: >I agree. This brings to mind a patch I have in my box of memorabilia. I >got it in the 6th grade for being chosen to play in the grade school >all-star basketball game in my home town. Why does it mean so much? I was >a LOUSY player. In fact, my teammates were upset that I was chosen. Coach >(a high-school kid) told them straight out that it was because of the effort >I put into practice and play. Perhaps my earliest lesson that spirit and >attitude can be worth a lot more than raw talent. >Kerry >kerry.atchinson@wichita.boeing.com **************************************************************************** ******************************************* Kerry, That is the point I was trying to make with my post too. It's the effort, spirit, character, attitude, etc. that count the most towards making a martial artist - and a person. The physical aspects are all too fleeting but the spirit can stay strong to the end. But, if a patch or a medal or a belt can help to develop this spirit, then I'm all for it. **************************************************************************** ************************** OK, OK .... what's in a name? I really did like your "Ancient Warriors" idea, Kerry. But "Chronologically Endowed" has a certain ring to it too. Don't know if I want to call myself "Chronologically Challenged - I'm already "vertically challenged". Now ... "Viagra Ninjas" .... hmmmmmmm .... will viagra make me any taller? lol How 'bout "Kick-ass, MF's" :-)) Oh yeah ..... you really ARE old aren't you, Chuck? :-)) BTW ... how many belts foes it take, John? And, as Jamaica asked, single or double wraps. :-)) - -Perry- pseto@aptl.com ------------------------------ From: "Perry Seto" Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:37:18 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: "martial spirit" Here's a clip from an email that I sent to Jamaica. She's encouraged me to clip it a post it here, which is what I've done since I'm too damn lazy to type it all again (thank god for word processing). :-)) The email had to do with how we do our testing and promoting at Cal. Would love to get your responses. Thanks. - -Perry- pseto@aptl.com When we do our promotional testing, our judges sheet has a bunch of columns, with names like - forms, kicks, punches, sparring, etc. We grade the students on a pass(+)/fail kind of scale for each category - or you can use letter grades with an overall pass(+)/fail result. THE most important category - at least to my fellow "old timer", Kim, and me is the column for "martial spirit". To us, if people fail that category, they fail the whole test. Character, effort and attitude FAR outweigh physical "talent" to us. Sure, there are minimal skill levels that you need to achieve for each belt level, but we are much more concerned with your character than pure skill. As I said on one of the posts, a persons level of improvement also weighs very heavily on our decision. Let's face it. Some people just have more natural talent than others. We all start from different base lines. So, for the guys who will never be the quickest or the strongest or have the prettiest technique - character, attitude, effort and level of improvement will move them ahead. That black belt (any belt) counts for more than just physical skill. ------------------------------ From: Mike Heeney Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:23:01 +1300 Subject: the_dojang: white belt 3 steps These are for Steve Alexander mainly, but whoever really. If people get annoyed I'll send them privately - I just thought I like doing things like this, so others might too. If I don't cop flak for posting them here, I'll type out the others, not too many as green tip -> red belt do all the same. If I do, no prob, I'll just send them to Steve :) White Belt 3 Step Self Defence Your standard punch block punch block type stuff here. Nothing wrong with that, as they are for white belts... In all cases, attacker (A) starts from L fighting stance (as in L foot forward), and defender (D) starts from neutral joonbi stance. (A) R fighting stance R middle punch (D) L fighting stance L inner forearm block (A) L fighting stance L middle punch (D) R fighting stance R inner forearm block (A) R fighting stance R middle punch (D) L fighting stance L inner forearm block (D) step R foot behind L, then L foot steps out into horse stance facing the side of (A) (D) horse stance R-L double punch (kidney), R head punch "Kiai!" (A) R fighting stance R middle punch (D) L fighting stance L twisting downward forearm block (A) L fighting stance L middle punch (D) R fighting stance R twisting downward forearm block (A) R fighting stance R middle punch (D) L fighting stance L twisting downward forearm block (D) circle the last block right around until you can grab onto attacker's wrist (D) takedown (R leg sweeps R leg - R hand pushes R shoulder) (D) R side kick (over body) "Kiai!" (A) R fighting stance R middle punch (D) R fighting stance R inner forearm block (A) L fighting stance L middle punch (D) L fighting stance L inner forearm block (A) R fighting stance R middle punch (D) R fighting stance R inner forearm block (D) fixed R backfist strike (temple) (D) R (i.e. front foot) roundhouse to head "Kiai!" http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~mheeney <-- me/myself/I - Taekwondo - Riverdance ------------------------------ From: Karel van der Walt Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:49:17 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Fear Im so busy, I thaught I would pipe in before i get totally out of touch. One has to balance the right level of arousal with not being paralyzed by fear. I explain to kids that training gives new reflexes but fear interferes with that. By emptying the mind of fear amongst other things, the reflexes can happen. The classroom environment provides ideal environment for controlled exposure to fear from instructor not student viewpoint. If student knows degree of control then he will not experience (and subdue) fear. In terms of execution of technique I explain that moderate paced execution teaches proper technique at the cost of teaches slowness. This needs to be balanced by speed training (at the cost of technique) The 'only' way to induce speed is by fear, student must subject to external tempo set by coach and partner. Before drill i say forget technique just make haste and your mind will feel uncomfortable because you are forcing your nervous system to work faster than what it is used to and that it the only way to make it work faster. After the drills I just say Dont think I was cross with you. Experiencing true uncontrolled fear like escaping from mugging or enemy contact in army is something totally different. Everybody I spoke with said no training prepares you for being shot at except being shot at and at that time I believe the standard of training in SADF was quite high. Karel van der Walt ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:56:21 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Relocating Thanks you John. I appreciate you sharing your experience, and I will take it to heart. I hope they do not get made at me. My main concern is the newset student how signed on last week before I new of the lay off, the other students work in the computer industry and know how it goes. I won't tell them until I know anythig for sure, maybe by then I can find another place for them to practice. Again - thank you - -Stacy "Stacy....I have been where you are now....exactly. How to tell the few students you have you will be leaving and moving on...hence...they will no longer have an instructor. Stacy....there is absolutely no good way to do this. All options suck for one reason or another....and the students do have a right to be upset, frustrated and mad. They WILL be disappointed and feel let down....some more so than others....and they may vent their frustrations at you. Bear it...it is your burden. Don't take anything they say that's negative harshly upon yourself. They are hurting too....but remember...you are the teacher...and have to be the model of behavior....so accept what comes and do so with dignity and grace and true humility, just remember....they don't really hate you...they are just hurt. I'd say...wait to tell them a week before you move...so you definitely know you are going and don't panic anyone before that unless it leaks out. If it does....own up to it immediately and apologize for not being able to remain their teacher. Offer to make introductions for them to other schools and teachers and give them your best wishes. This is the BEST way to handle it. Always be friendly to them if they call you in the future or you meet again. Do your best for them as a teacher....and you have no reason to feel ashamed. John Hancock" ------------------------------ From: "Dennis McHenry" Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:02:57 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Materialistic possessions? Chris Callahan wrote: <> Your right Chris!!! Go ahead and remove your wedding ring... who needs that materialistic thing/object anyway?? Yeah right... and let me know what your wife thinks about that :-) Actually, I agree with both of you (Chris and Jamaica). I know that sounds a little weird. Step outside your little box and think further than that strip of cloth around your waist or a piece of cloth sewn onto your dobak..... Do you NOT have *any* cherished objects that have a deep emotional meaning to you? We each have one somewhere, if from a parent, your child, or a special friend... and even - yes - a special patch or belt that was hard earned or given from a very special or meaningful person (master or instructor). We each have different ways to observe and remember significant people, events, or memories. Those shouldn't be taken away from anyone. Live and let learn. Yours in the arts, Dennis McHenry ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:20:28 PST Subject: the_dojang: Bells and Whistles - I love em But...Is it necessary to have materialistic possessions (either flaunted or held privately) in order to have these feelings of confidence and accomplishment? Can't we feel these emotions within ourselves without the need for materialistic things? Is it healthy to cherish such objects so deeply instead of allowing the memory to be the primary focus for those feelings? Isn't it the accomplishment itself that is most important, instead of the awards and/or rewards? The above are meant to be more as observatory statements than actual questions. A response is not necessary.Chris Callahan ______________________________________ I would be happy to respond to this question. Thanks for asking. Your points are well made made. Is it necessary to have these items to have feelings of confidence and accomplishment? To me, absolutely not. I agree. Can we have these emotions without materialistic things? Absolutely. And interestingly enough I am very non-materialistic although the post might not have come across that way. And as I attempted to indicate; my earlier years were totally based on self-accomplishments without any type of rewards and that's why it was so nice and a nice change of pace to have the experience of actually having a tangible reward. It was a new experience for me. It was fun. It was appreciated. The accomplishment itself is everything and most important. And truly if you took my belts and pins and stripes away tomorrow I would not at all be devastated. But they just are a very nice representation especially if you've never had something like that before. And I did give up martial arts a few years back out of necessity and quite frankly many other things in my life a few years ago when I became very seriously ill. It was at a time when I was realizing my maximum potential in martial arts skills and in opening a few schools, business looked good, things looked great. All things were going perfectly and then dead hault. I will say that appreciating these representations of important points in my life in no way means I cherish the materials in an unhealthy way. It's like looking at pictures. They merely represent a memory that's already saved in my heart and it brings a smile to my face. Some of them bring not so nice memories too. They are historical representations of what brought me to where I am. Both the positive and negative. Actually I even threw out memorabilia from the more negative moments I experienced. And now that I have in the last few years returned to the martial arts full force I have quite a different perspective on those earlier years of learning. I have seen people kid too wrapped up in material goods, designer this and that. That is not healthy for if they had to give those things up tomorrow it would devastate them. I appreciate the attitudes of Greg Giddins and Steve Silz and others that choose not to wear these objects but I really don't see anything wrong with them. For a child or adult that's never had anything before m.a. this is certainly a nice way to acknowledge them. Guess it gets back to the subject of balance on all counts and just appreciating the diversity amongst the individuals that train in the martial arts. Respectfully, Jamaica ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:40:05 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: History of some GM's I need some brief history of GM Ji Han Jae or Hwang Ki. I have a friend writing an article on different MA stlye masters and he needs a GM from the Korean arts. Can someone send me something today it is urgent because he has a deadline for the article. Thank you. Jeremy ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:37:00 PST Subject: the_dojang: Pins and things for kids This is an afterthought and my final thought on this particular subject but since our schools are already set up on a reward type sytem say whether it's report cards, or the teacher puts a gold star at the top of the page or now the popular thing is the "stickers" that have smiley faces and words of encouragement or student of the month with their picture in the paper, I would almost think for the younger generation some of this is expected not only by the child but by the parents and grandparents. I know I've seen more than one child expect and need to bring home a representation of their efforts to show grandma and grandpa and the rest of the family. Otherwise they feel like something is wrong. I think it's an expected part of the package of m.a. training, at least to the kids but that comes to martial arts from other areas in our society. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:15:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #86 ******************************* Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. 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