From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #91 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 15 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 091 In this issue: the_dojang: Theifs at Heart the_dojang: test forms the_dojang: medals the_dojang: old belts the_dojang: Uniform patches, etc. the_dojang: Re: Symbols the_dojang: Perry & fundraising the_dojang: Re: Higher education MA the_dojang: Re: Miyagi no need belt.... the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #85 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #85 the_dojang: State Tournaments and TShirts the_dojang: State Tournaments and Trophies the_dojang: Desktop Themes the_dojang: Reminder * Taekwondo Training with US Team Captains the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hancock Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 22:48:35 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Theifs at Heart > . by the way, john hancock, i stole yer bull > :)...at least i think i got that from your site....lol. ;) > > melinda > chunjido@aol.com That's OK. I stole it TOO!!! :-PPPPPP LOL ------------------------------ From: "Perry Seto" Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 20:57:48 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: test forms Sandy, We do not show our test forms to the test takers. I guess that's always been one of the little black belt "secrets". Not sure why we don't, there's nothing secret on them. Guess it would just be kind of a pain in the ___ to show everyone - we have a couple of hundred people taking tests at any given time. I know that I've told some people verbally what is on the form. I also know that many times I (and Kim and others) have highlighted to the testers that we have that "martial spirit" column. Matter of fact, we've chastised whole groups of testers when they lack spirit. Hope that helps. - -Perry- pseto@aptl.com ------------------------------ From: "Perry Seto" Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 21:01:03 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: medals Congratulations, Ronda ..... and good luck (For whatever it's worth) Personally, I like medals more. Easier to store. Less ostentatious. - -Perry- pseto@aptl.com ------------------------------ From: "Perry Seto" Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 21:24:27 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: old belts Sorry ... forgot who asked the questions regarding what people did with their old belts. In any case.......... I gave mine away. I gave them to people who followed me in the club. I gave them to the ones who I thought deserved them, and would think of them in same manner that I did - as symbols of the work and effort put into "earning" them. They were also people who I thought had the proper attitude and spirit. (They also had to fit the belt) :-))) Of course I still have my original black belt .... don't think I'll ever give that one away .... unless maybe someday to my 7 year old son - he's been training for a year now. In fact, he was one of the major reasons I started training again. He'd been bugging me for years to train him. I thought it would be easier for someone else to train him. Less bias involved. So what does everyone else think? I've seen posts regarding touching on teaching spouses (and maybe there were ones on teaching kids but I either missed them or don't remember - must be the age/mind thing) :-)) But as far as teaching your own child who is in this general age range, 5 -8 yrs old, what are your opinions? Have you taught your own child or observed others teaching their's? What were the results? Thanks. - -Perry- pseto@aptl.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 03:01:03 EST Subject: the_dojang: Uniform patches, etc. In a message dated 99-02-14 23:37:35 EST, you write: << "Why the Spartan appearance?" I've heard a lot of interesting answers, but thus far, not one has been convincing. >> Interesting post. I guess it all depends on what style you come from. I'm used to very plain simple uniforms. I have Hapkido written accross my back in Hangul, and I wear the Korea Hapkido Federation patch on the left breast. That's it. We don't wear anything else. Everyone's uniform was the same, from White to 7th dan. No stripes on belts either. I sort of think all the patches, colors, etc look gaudy. (sp?) I can understand being proud of ones accomplishments, and being proud of earning a certain patch or something. But much of the "flash" at tournaments, etc. turns me off. Guess it's good that there is room for all views. I don't condemn people wearing things on their uniform, but you will not see me wearing any more than the little I wear now. Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:34:06 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Symbols In a message dated 99-02-14 23:40:33 EST, Ben Blish wrote: << When I see someone who is an advanced martial artist who has made the choice to eschew all, or most, of the symbols that we expect to see in their art and position, my mental framework for them begins with the observation that this person is at least partially "closed" and I become very curious as to the justifications they will put forth for this. And so one of the very first topics that I will bring up with them is "Why the Spartan appearance?" >> Ben, Just my couple of cents worth... I agreed with your thoughts right up to this one... the only symbol I EXPECT to see in an advanced martial artist is an old black belt and a clean uniform. I have very rarely seen patches, etc., on these individuals unless they were school owners who wore an association patch - and that was done so it was easier to explain their affiliation to prospective students (and more particularly, the parents of same). Seems to me that advanced martial artists will share any and all of their training with anyone who wants to benefit from it. They are rarely "closed " or "Spartan," but seem to have a very secure sense of self that doesn't feel a need to advertise their accomplishments in neon. (Bet this also describes you to some degree ) BTW, I think patches, etc., are great for those who want them but shouldn't be required for those who don't. Sally CBAUGHN@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:40:07 EST Subject: the_dojang: Perry & fundraising In a message dated 2/13/99 11:05:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > As far as advice on raising a $1.5 million -- I'm > afraid that's not my area of expertise! :) I would think the primary > goal would be to hit up the alumni for it, and not just the Kinesiology > alums either. This is a big deal for Berkeley, and they ought to support > it. My only other suggestion would be a lot of charity functions > (kickathons for muscular dystrophy, tournaments for special olympics, > etc.) where the percentage of profits that does not go to the charity > goes into a college account earmarked for the matching funds. Again, > good luck! > > Yours in the arts, > > Dakin Burdick > burdickd@indiana.edu Perry, Somehow I missed this one. My kids being visited by chicken pox hasn't made for the most fun month so far, but at least I have an excuse :-) So you are fundraising because you've GOT to and you need quite a bit of money. Dakin had some great ideas but here's one not mentioned. Here is what I've done for dojang in the past and am currently doing for my dojang now. Have a silent auction. I've never seen an auction make less than $1000 [about 65 donated items]. Big churches in the neighborhood make 7-8 times that. They also have 500+ items. Call on the alumni, current students, staff, parents, local biz and big biz for the items. Many/if not most are tax write offs so they should support you. Email me if you'd like a copy of a letter(s) I've used before or any other "sage advice" and How-To tips. Dawne No1IDIC@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Murdoch, Marshall, Mr" <014marsh@chiron.wits.ac.za> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 16:56:50 GMT + 2.00 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Higher education MA > From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:42:38 -0500 (EST) > To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #84 > Reply-to: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > of about 1,000 students each semester (out of 30,000 in the entire > Dear Perry and Dakin I'm really curious about your posts. I teach (well, I help teach - busy schedule) Tang Soo Do at The University of the Witwatersrand (WITS) in Johannesbury, South Africa. Each year/semester about 20 000 students enrole but we can seem to get anywhere as many students interested in martial arts, despite the high crime rate and the obvious need for self defence - each year we get about 50 students to enrole - and we are the second biggest MA club ! (Karate enroles about 120 anually, WTF about 35 and the rest of the clubs a total of about 20 combined - akido, kobujitsu, judo,etc). We hand out posters, do demos (correction do awesome demos) one-on-one sales pitches etc but can never make it big. Also, you guys mention big sponsorship money - how do you go around getting such funds - tourneys, kickathons what ? I would appreciate any help in attracting new students / green paper ;-) Thanks, Marshall Murdoch "Some men stumble upon the truth, most just pick themselves up and hurry on as if nothing had happened." Sir Winston Churchill ------------------------------ From: "Murdoch, Marshall, Mr" <014marsh@chiron.wits.ac.za> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:05:11 GMT + 2.00 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Miyagi no need belt.... > From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:26:01 -0500 (EST) > To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #85 > Reply-to: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > too long to get that "worn look" ). There are ways of cheating. A friend of mine does karate and we are more or less on the same belt level, we got our black belts a few years ago. Mine original (dark blue/black) belt is just wearing at the knot but hers is stuffed ! Evidently (and this is no reflection upon the integrity of all MAs) it is quite fashionable for JKA newbie BB to tie their belt on a brick, rough it it up a bit, bleach it and unpick the stiching a bit - personally that's cheating. Besides our chief instructor has made us awesome demo doboks with new matching belts - I *love* mine !!! Different strokes for different folks ! Tang Soo Marshall "Some men stumble upon the truth, most just pick themselves up and hurry on as if nothing had happened." Sir Winston Churchill ------------------------------ From: "Murdoch, Marshall, Mr" <014marsh@chiron.wits.ac.za> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:07:51 GMT + 2.00 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #85 > From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:26:01 -0500 (EST) > To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #85 > Reply-to: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > Actually, in my division (50+), we refer to ourselves as the "Viagra Ninjas." > Pfzier now have a viagra suppository for limp beer bellies.... Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Marshall "Some men stumble upon the truth, most just pick themselves up and hurry on as if nothing had happened." Sir Winston Churchill ------------------------------ From: "Murdoch, Marshall, Mr" <014marsh@chiron.wits.ac.za> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:17:57 GMT + 2.00 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #85 > From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:26:01 -0500 (EST) > To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #85 > Reply-to: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > but supposedly can't because he's not "old enough". > Kerry, The reason for this not malicious, but has a good locical base. A prosthetic impant (even though it is made of titanium-tantalum-stainless steel alloy) is not nearly as good as a native joint in terms of wear. Prosthetic implants cannot regenerate when damaged. They have a limited life span of 10 to 15 years (with exceptional care). Knee replacements last 5 years. If you have to replace an implant the results aren't nearly as good the second time. For this reason orthopaedic surgeons usually rely on conservative treatment for young patients (NSAID painkillers and lifestyle modification), arthrodesis (where the joint is fused permanently by fixation with screws - leaving a permanently immobile but pain-free joint) for older patients and reserve joint replacemnts for older patients, who lead a more sedentary life. Young patient with replacements tend to remain active and destroy the replacement faster than normal. There are some other alternatives but they are just a way of buying time before replacement. Feel free to ask any other questions Marshall (soon to graduate) Murdoch TSD "Some men stumble upon the truth, most just pick themselves up and hurry on as if nothing had happened." Sir Winston Churchill ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:26:47 PST Subject: the_dojang: State Tournaments and TShirts Do away with T-Shirts and other souvenirs that cost the Tournament money and produce little income. G. London ___________________________________ No, no, no, no, no!!!! Whew all better now. haha Sorry but I'm the one that collects Tshirts. You might have missed that post. I do like to buy extras for little kids and adult big kids that can't make the tournament and give them away as extras during the year. Like to collect them when I travel from state to state and bring those home also. Something you might want to consider if you're not a fanatic of Tshirts like me, is a Tshirt exchange corner. This really works well. Lots of fun. I've done it in the martial arts and other businesses like when I ran marathons etc. Anyone that has a tshirt in good order brings it in and it's like an exchange or swap meet or just plain giveaway. Good way to get rid of the closet full of tshirts one accumulates. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:50:23 PST Subject: the_dojang: State Tournaments and Trophies Probably no surprise but I really like trophies of varying sizes and shapes. I do understand a person must take into consideration money factors and other expenditures but I used to enjoy going to the different tournaments and looking for the "Trophy" table before the activities began. I would go to the table and "pick out" the trophies that I would be winning that day. I also loved to stand around and watch the competitors, especially the little ones, come up to the table wide eyed and smiles eyeing up the trophies. For some it was like shopping for Christmas presents. Lots of them got all excited and giggly. It was just cute and fun... When the competition began everybody got quite serious. Then when we would pile in vans on the way home the little ones that won would be chatting with everyone else about the trophy and everybody shared in the events of the day. I will tell you a funny story though. The first few tournaments I ever competed in had trophies. Now I don't know where they had them made; we suspect somebody's basement or garage because what they did was literally take bits and pieces of trophies from one tournament and mix and match and glue them to create trophies for the next tournament. If you did a lot of tournaments like me you could pretty much predict what your trophy might look like. I remember one year getting a trophy that had 2 strips of this brown wood stuff with a stip of purple running through the middle. It was so unique. :) And that was one of the better ones. And yes they can be dust collectors but I've had many students contribute their trophies to their schools to put on display and some to their elementary schools for display or to recycle. Others have contributed them to events like special olympics. I still have all of mine and have lugged them around whenever I have had to move. What I will say is that whether or not you are going to have trophies or medals, make sure you have enough of them. There is nothing that I found more irritating than when after a long day of competing you couldn't award trophies or medals to people cause you ran out. So you took their names and address and maybe someday they got one. I have been at more than one tournament where this happened. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:51:29 PST Subject: the_dojang: Desktop Themes http://www.themeworld.com/index.shtml This site has some ma themes from Blade, Karate kid and a few others but you really have to do some looking, or you can also create your. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Peter Bardatsos Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:53:16 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Reminder * Taekwondo Training with US Team Captains We are just about two weeks away from our next Taekwondo Training Seminar. This is a great opportunity to brush up on those tiny techniques that will make the big difference in getting GOLD and your next tournament! Have you ever wanted to train and learn from the elite players and members of the US National Team, who will most likely be representing the US in Sydney? Well this is your chance! The Time has come! Get Ready for: State Championships, Junior Olympics, Senior Nationals, Team Trials, Panam/World Trials and the Olympics at Sydney. ******************************************************* 2nd Taekwondo Training Seminar by Peter Bardatsos and Steven Lee held in New Jersey on February 27, 1999 ******************************************************* Other National Team Members, Athletes, and Coaches that will be present include: Antony Graf, Gary Zee Jr., John Campos, Sean Burke, Jennifer Mohammed, Elizabeth Mohammed, Andrea Velasquez, Coach Mark Williams, and much more. Visit our website for more information - http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Arena/1442/seminar.htm You must "Train with the Best to Become the Best!" - -- Sincerely, Peter Bardatsos 6-time US Team Member and US Team Captain Bardatsos Taekwondo ** http://www.bardatsostkd.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 12:25:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #91 ******************************* Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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