From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #92 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 16 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 092 In this issue: the_dojang: Adornment at Tournaments. the_dojang: Re:desktop themes the_dojang: Sucker Punch the_dojang: Re: Tee shirts and souvenirs the_dojang: Chinese New Year the_dojang: CHANG MOO KWAN the_dojang: universities the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #90 the_dojang: Re: Teaching Family the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #91 Patches the_dojang: History of MDK the_dojang: RE: Test forms the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:25:16 PST Subject: the_dojang: Adornment at Tournaments. I sort of think all the patches, colors, etc look gaudy. (sp?) I can understand being proud of ones accomplishments, and being proud of earning a certain patch or something. But much of the "flash" at tournaments, etc. turns me off. Alain B. ___________________________________ I very much agree with you here regarding tournaments. However I have seen "flash" actually work for some at the tournaments. Not sure if it's a generation thing but I've seen ref's score higher points (and not just talking about patches here) whether the uniform was flashier or the person was made up with jewelry, makeup, exotic hairstyles, anything that grabs attention. Something that has angered me is that I have seen plainer individuals do their techniques in a most perfect fashion and then not win because of that flash. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 16:15:03 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re:desktop themes jamaica, if you search for martial arts themes at that site you gave, they also show bruce lee and don (dragon) wilson themes. i havent downloaded them yet so i cant tell if theyre any good, though. melinda chunjido@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:49:33 PST Subject: the_dojang: Sucker Punch This weekend I was sparring with a friend of mine and in the course of the match he used the term sucker punch. I hadn't heard this term used for quite sometime. Last time I think I heard it was at a boxing match I was at. Is this term still common in dojangs that teach self defense or is there a newer term out there? Just curious. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:36:40 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Tee shirts and souvenirs In a message dated 2/15/99 3:23:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Do away with T-Shirts and other souvenirs that cost the Tournament money and produce little income. G. London ___________________________________ No, no, no, no, no!!!! Whew all better now. haha Sorry but I'm the one that collects Tshirts. You might have missed that post. I do like to buy extras for little kids and adult big kids that can't make the tournament and give them away as extras during the year. Like to collect them when I travel from state to state and bring those home also. >> I'm with you Jamacia. The other thing I found (being on both sides of the sales table) is that when people win at a tournament, they want something to wear someplace other than a martial arts location for "bragging rights." They don't cost much to produce and, if you keep the numbers low, there is usually little leftover. In fact, there have been times when we have taken pre-paid orders after running out of a specific size for an event. One way to keep from ordering excess is by having a spot on the pre-entry form that asks would you like a tournament tee shirt for $10? (I' m pulling a random number here) If so, check the size you would like. Then, in the totals section have a line that reads: tournament tee-shirts ___ x $10= __________. It's like runners wearing their race t-shirts. It shows that you've accomplished something of which you are proud. You took the step to compete in a tournament which is worthy of notice IMHO. BTW, for those of you with a bunch of those shirts and you aren't sure what to do with them, you can make a "quilt" out of them. Just buy some iron-on interfacing at any fabric store and iron it onto the shirt (backside of the fabric behind the design) and cut a 13 inch square. The interfacing gives the fabric the stabiity it needs so that you can sew the squares together (with a half inch seam allowance). When you have the desired size, place the right side of the "quilt" and the right side of a sheet together and sew around the edge, leaving about a foot of space to turn this right side out. Sew up the open edge by hand and use some embroidery floss to tie off the squares with a square knot to keep the whole thing from shifting. Voila. Some people like to get fancy by sewing on a sashing (strip of fabric) around each square and funky borders, etc. It's up to your creative imagination. Tang Soo! Karla ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 15:13:59 PST Subject: the_dojang: Chinese New Year To all on the digest that Celebrate Chinese New Year. This is the year of the rabbit I believe. Best wishes! Perry do you celebrate Chinese New Year??? http://www.chinapage.com/newyear.html Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "aparedes" Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 15:28:45 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: CHANG MOO KWAN Once again I'm calling on anyone that has any information regarding CHANG MOO KWAN Tae Kwon Do. I have been doing re-search and have found myself at a stop for lack of data. I am specially interested in the Kwan Hyungs (forms). CMK is one of the original 5 kwans prior the formation of Taekyon now known as TKD. Thank you for all your help. Alex Paredes Aparedes@gateway.net World Chang Moo Kwan 3rd Dan www.geocities.com/colosseum/arena/8129/index.html - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----------- " A student will never be over his Master, a well trained student will be like his Master." Luke 6 ------------------------------ From: burdickd Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:17:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: universities Mr. Murdoch wrote: interested in martial arts, despite the high crime rate and the obvious need for self defence - each year we get about 50 students to enrole - and we are the second biggest MA club ! (Karate enroles about 120 anually, WTF about 35 and the rest of the clubs a total of about 20 combined - akido, kobujitsu, judo,etc). We hand out posters, My answer: Your figures are close to our own -- actually your karate club is doing quite well by my account! The problem is that these are clubs, ie. extracurricular activities and students at universities are usually much more busy studying, working, drinking, and finding that life partner to do much else. The Indiana University program is strong because we have accredited courses in the arts, which means that students can earn college credits (albeit elective credit only) by taking the classes. This keeps a much larger number of people in the programs, but I think this number is actually inflated from the number who are actually interested in the arts as a way of life. Many of the people who complete these courses (even through the advanced programs) simply stop practicing and don't go to the clubs, which of course is a real pity. You can look at the program by going to: http://php.ucs.indiana.edu/~djburns/ Building a club of more than 50-60 people is quite difficult, and requires faculty support and very well organized officers. Good luck, and let us know if you discover any ways to do it better! Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: Eric Mueller Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 22:41:49 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #90 > > > Gregg London Wrote: > > Before gyoroogi (sparring), how about a fifteen minute explanation of > the competition. Assemble two competitors, a center referee, a corner > judge, and an announcer. This group could illustrate what a valid point > is (and is not), what constitutes a penalty and what is the appropriate > hand signal, and basic concepts of how a ring and it's personnel work. Excellent Idea! > > And insure that they serve healthy foods, such as fruits, vegetables, > and power type drinks; instead of fried rice, kimchee, and egg rolls. Hey, Wait a minute!! Kimchee is food of the Gods (Well, it is a vegetable, with lotsa antioxidants - and if you eat enough you can KO your opponent with your breath!) Eric Mueller ------------------------------ From: Eric Mueller Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:23:34 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Teaching Family Perry Seto Wrote: > Of course I still have my original black belt .... don't think I'll ever > give that one away .... unless maybe someday to my 7 year old son - he's > been training for a year now. In fact, he was one of the major reasons I > started training again. He'd been bugging me for years to train him. I > thought it would be easier for someone else to train him. Less bias > involved. > > So what does everyone else think? I've seen posts regarding touching on > teaching spouses (and maybe there were ones on teaching kids but I either > missed them or don't remember - must be the age/mind thing) :-)) But as > far as teaching your own child who is in this general age range, 5 -8 yrs > old, what are your opinions? Have you taught your own child or observed > others teaching their's? What were the results? > Ok, how 'bout a twist on the theme. I studied Karate for a short time when I was a kid, But I really got into Martial Arts when I was in the Army in Korea. I studied Kung-Fu (yeah, I know home of TKD and all but...) I kept up with Kung-Fu for a while after I returned to the states and became a civilian, but the Integrity of the head instructor (poor), coupled with the quality of my knees (even worse) forced me to stop. Well, a few years ago my son Got interested in Taekwondo. I was able to help him train, working on honing some of his basics, and giving him some minor tips about his forms. He had (has) a far greater degree of natural althleticism than I, and his skills quickly surpassed what I had ever achieved. His unfaltering wish has always been that I would someday resume my Martial Arts training. Well, last week I did it! I signed up and Paid my tuition to my sons instructor, I am scheduled to start formal classes Later this week. Since I know the training will be very hard, I am very out of shape, (and I don't want to Totally embarrass myself), I arranged with a Black Belt I know to "Brush up" on my basics. Well, I was panting about 2/3 rd of the way through the warm-ups, and I was looking for the cardiac defibrillator by the time he had finished with "just the basic kicking drills". This Black Belt had done every drill right along side of me and hadn't even broken a sweat - And here I was Just about ready to Die!! I must admit though... The workout did feel good, This Black belt was giving me my first 'real' workout in well over a year. Just as I thought it was over and I could finally catch my breath and rest This Black Belt (obviously enjoying the look of suffering on my face) said: ....... "Come on Daddy - Lets Go run around the Block a few times"!!! I hope the other instructors have pity on this old fat man, 'cause my 8 year old surely doesn't! 'til Next Time Eric Mueller PS. If you don't here from me in a while - Look for me in the ICU (Intensive Care Unit)! ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:18:14 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #91 Patches I do not think that one should be judged for choosing not to wear patches. I agree with some of the recent posts that patches appear gaudy. Also, too many people "buy" their patches, they're not a reflection of what the wearer has done or accomplished. At a recent tournament, I saw about 40 students from one school. All of them, from white belt to black, had a "Black Belt Club" patch. All of the upper belts had "assistant instructor" patches as did half of the black belts. The rest of the black belts had "instructor" patches. That was 5 instructors (not counting the teacher), 5 black belt "assistant instructors" and 10 color belt "assistant instructors". In my school, having an upper color belt, carries the duty of helping out your fellow (lower belt) classmates, and being a black belt means that you have the duty to teach class or help teach a class. Being a black belt means that you are an instructor or assistant instructor. We do not feel that there is a need to put on a patch that means exactly the same thing. As an upper color belt, I am expected to help out teaching as well. I might be asked by a black belt to help the white belts work on their basics or techniques. To the best of my knowledge, this is true in most schools. If someone wears a black or upper belt, it implies that they have helped teach, regardless of any extra patches. And I still have no idea what being a member of "The Black Belt Club" means other than probably paying some extra dues. I do not judge others for choosing to wear patches, but I also do not assume that the patches mean anything because sometimes they don't... I choose not to wear patches, because I do not feel the need to impress people with cloth. If I want to impress people I'll do it on the mat. (Or maybe I'll wear my military uniform, with all of my medals and ribbons...) Well, anyway that's my two cents... [It's actually a little more than two cents worth, so you got a real bargain :-) ] ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:52:55 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: History of MDK Mr. Hancock, Thank you the information on the website. I will most likely be using your some of your material (don't worry I'll give you your credit) along with some of the other research I have found. Thank you again. By the way, nice website all around. Best regards, Jeremy ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:00:47 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Test forms Just $.02 more on test forms... We don't get to see ours because the masters feel a student will focus training on the elements that were "deficient" and ignore the others. It's left to the instructors to handle the student's weaker points through teaching. Kerry kerry.atchinson@wichita.boeing.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:42:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #92 ******************************* Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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