From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #94 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 17 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 094 In this issue: the_dojang: Screaming and Such the_dojang: Re: desktop themes the_dojang: Re: just a piece of cloth the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #93 the_dojang: 4th Poom the_dojang: kukkiwon test fee the_dojang: Perfection of Your Art/s the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #91 the_dojang: Vermont Governor's Cup the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #92 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #92 the_dojang: Where to start? the_dojang: Kicks the_dojang: Historical Lightness Re: the_dojang: Historical Lightness the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:17:20 PST Subject: the_dojang: Screaming and Such When I teach self-defense to non-martial art women I will usually tell them to purchase a large whistle and wear it around their neck when they go places like parking lots or isolated areas. I also indicate it should be worn outside their coat or sweater, somewhere easy to access if needed in case of attack or perceived attack. Now I also know other instructors will teach women to scream. My question is what do you teach them to scream? Is it a particular phrase or number or just a loud horrendous scream. I've known women whose vocal cords will totally lock up/freeze in a confrontation, sort of a panic attack and so the "just scream" doesn't work. Nothing at all comes out. I have noticed that if they are given something particular to focus on they can call it to memory and perform whether it's a whistle or a name or number or some other type of call of the wild. Thanks. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:24:30 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: desktop themes oh ya, almost forgot...the screen saver with the dancing baby doing techniques to the tune of "kung-fu fighting". _that_, my friends, is hysterical. you can get that one from the downloads on MAWN. melinda chunjido@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:46:52 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: just a piece of cloth wow greg, excellent story. very touching...it brought tears to my eyes. thank you for sharing that! melinda chunjido@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:29:21 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #93 In a message dated 2/16/99 1:21:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << He gives me a huge hug and in a quivering voice and trembling hands removes his faded, nasty, unraveling belt right off of his waist and hands it over to me. Telling me what we mean to eachother is so much more than what that belt means to him, and he would be honored if I would take it. I have never, EVER, felt the feelings that passed through me then, and I never have since, and I never expect to. His handing over of the item he cherished most in the whole world touched my soul so strongly that I can honestly say I cared for him more than a friend, maybe even more than a brother. And the ratty, dirty, tattered, smelly old strip of cloth is now MY most cherished possession. Strange how things change sometimes, eh? >> WOW! Yet another GREAT story in the digest...it's getting to the point that I am actually disappointed if the latest Dojang Digest isn't in my inbox when I check my email. Thanks everyone for sharing all of your funny/touching/inspirational/educational stories in this forum...I know I, for one, really enjoy them. Mary ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:19:38 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: 4th Poom I just got the newest Regulation for Promotion Test from the Kukkiwon. Amongst minor changes, there is one that really made me think: once there were only 3 Poom degrees, now there is 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Poom. I am just curious about your opinions: was it necessary to introduce 4th Poom? Do you think that a person below the age of 15 can achieve the level of both proficiency and mental development to be promoted to a Junior 4th Degree Black Belt (of which in fact the 4th Poom is an equivalent)? There are some organisations who do not award Black Belts under the age of 13 (like the ITF), and there are some in which 4th Dan is an International Instructor. During a recent international WTF children`s tournament in Germany, with most European countries participating, as well as a Korean team, I was really wondering how did the Korean kids get their Pooms (they wore in fact Black Belts instead of Poom belts, although all of them were under 13) watching them during the Poomse event. Some of them seemed to have learn the patterns couple of weeks prior to the tournament. Of course, many of them fought very good. But - is it really the way we shall go? - -- Piotr Bernat (WTF 2nd Dan) dantkd@polbox.com ------------------------------ From: Mike Heeney Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:42:41 +1300 Subject: the_dojang: kukkiwon test fee Ray Terry wrote: > 1st Dan/Poom $70 > 2nd Dan/Poom $90 > 3rd Dan/Poom $120 > 4th Dan $150 > 5th Dan $300 > etc. > >However, realize that most schools will charge much more than this. Thanks Ray. Just curious as to the official prices. Nearly double those and you have the official prices in NZ. ie $70 American = about $120 NZ. I know about school prices. Here in NZ we pay $247.50 for 1st dan... Mike Hamilton New Zaland. http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~mheeney <-- me/myself/I - Taekwondo - Riverdance ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:20:08 PST Subject: the_dojang: Perfection of Your Art/s Is perfecting your art/s important to you...or is there some other satisfaction gained during your advancement and journey. Is there such a thing as perfecting an art if you are always a student? If you are striving for perfection does watching a student that does not care about perfecting the technique bother you? Do you find it hard to cope with that if they are not the type to be inspired? Do you find it hard to promote that student if you are an instructor... Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Peter Ling Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:41:55 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #91 This is in response to Perry's question regarding the wisdom of attempting to teach one's children. I had trained in TKD in England about 10 years ago prior to coming to the US. My first impetus to get back into training came as a result of trying to introduce my son to TKD after a bullying experience at his school. At the time he was too intimidated by the thought to join but I realized how much I had missed this and plunged back in again. Several years later, I am about to take my second degree, my son is a high blue belt, my daughter a high yellow, and my wife, a yellow. I have avoided trying to give "advice" to my wife as I am sure that way lies divorce! My Master has also, wisely resisted the temptation to have me teach her in class. I have, however, tried to teach my children, both in and out of class, and found this to be very frustrating. Maybe it will be easier when they get older, but at 6 and 8 they never seem to give me the same level of attention and commitment they give to non family black belts. We have had family cram sessions prior to tests but these often seem more like torture sessions to the kids. Doubtless this would have been unheard of in the Korea of old but my kids at least seem to be either too fond of lead swinging or too scared of screwing up in front of dad to make this an enjoyable experience for any of us. Would be interested if anyone has found an approach that works. ------------------------------ From: Ernest Hart Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:48:23 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Vermont Governor's Cup Vermont Governor's Cup will be held March 13, 1999 at Colchester High School in Colchester, VT. This tournament is open to practitioners of Taekwondo, karate, kung-fu, etc. Competition will consist of patterns, breaking, and sparring. The tournament is hosted by Master Richard Dion. For contact info, please e-mail me at the address below. E. Hart ehart@zoo.uvm.edu ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:13:35 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #92 << I very much agree with you here regarding tournaments. However I have seen "flash" actually work for some at the tournaments. Not sure if it's a generation thing but I've seen ref's score higher points (and not just talking about patches here) whether the uniform was flashier or the person was made up with jewelry, makeup, exotic hairstyles, anything that grabs attention. Something that has angered me is that I have seen plainer individuals do their techniques in a most perfect fashion and then not win because of that flash. >> Hmm... I wonder if they'll win best-dressed in the ER. >:) But I do agree with the sentiment that plainer individuals with kick-ass techniques deserve the win because of their technique not aesthetics. A tournament is based on how pretty you make the skill look, i.e. how graceful and strong you are, not how much of a clown you resemble or how many sparring hazards you have dangling from your body... HEY! Isn't it against the rules to go itno the ring with jewelry on, regardless of whether it's forms or sparring??????? >^..^< AdidasTKD@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:17:25 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #92 << Hey, Wait a minute!! Kimchee is food of the Gods (Well, it is a vegetable, with lotsa antioxidants - and if you eat enough you can KO your opponent with your breath!) >> That's true, but you have to eat the more fermented kinds... it sticks around in your system longer. :) :) :) :) :) >^..^< AddidasTKD@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Perry Seto" Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:50:38 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Where to start? OK, OK ...... where to start. I've been sort of away for a few days (skiing in Tahoe) so I haven't had as much time to catch up on all of my email. So....... I'm just gonna "pick off" a few of the questions, etc. and will respond to the other posts later. 1) Yes, Jamaica. I do celebrate Chinese New Years .... sort of anyway. And Happy New Year to you and everyone else. :-))) 2) Thanks for the fundraising advice, Dawne. I'll follow up with you for the letters and "sage advice". 3) Marshall and Dakin: I may need to clarify a little something. When I said there were about 800 people in the UC program, I meant in the martial arts clubs. I'm not sure how many more there are in the physical education classes. Like your program, Dakin, many of the PE students never make it to club ... primarily due to scheduling, studies, etc. If the memory serves me correctly (which it often doesn't), we have 200 - 300 in the tae kwon do club, a little less than that in the hankido club (new name for hapkido for what I understand) and the rest divided between taichi, karate, judo and wushu - sorry, but I don't have more accurate numbers for these clubs. I believe that part of the reason for the large numbers has to do with the length of time the program has been together. We are now at thirty years and going strong. I'll get into more depth on a later date when I have more time. PS ... No fair cheating!!!! :-)) I could never do that to my belt ..... I wouldn't have "earned" the worn look then. BTW .... Miyagi had a belt ... a canvas one to hold up his pants .... $9.00 at Penney's (or something like that) :-))) 4) Great story, Eric!! Glad you're "back at it". And, believe me, I know what you mean about the stamina thing. Just about keeled over and died my first day back, too. Don't forget though ... with us "more seasoned" individuals.... treachery will win over youth every time. :-))) 5) Even better story, Greg!!! Almost brought tears to MY eyes. Goes to show what that strip of cloth can REALLY mean. Sorry if I missed anything ... I'll try to catch it tomorrow. Once again, Happy Chinese New Year to all. - -Perry- pseto@aptl.com ------------------------------ From: CMPorter@webtv.net (Chris Porter) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:27:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Kicks Hello, I was wondering at what level( Iam talking Beg/Int/Adv not belt color or rank) do you teach roundhouse and spin kick. I am asking soley for the debate that sense they are "hard" kicks to learn should they be taught early on or left for a more adv. student ? Chris Porter CMPorter@webtv.net ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 06:25:51 PST Subject: the_dojang: Historical Lightness Okay, I suppose the whole world knew this but I didn't. Was just reading some history that said the high foot kicking techniques and of tkd sports and traditional tkd originated from the skills necessary of foot soldiers to kick/attack an opponent while they were seated on their horse during battle. Tidbit for the day.. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 07:20:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Historical Lightness > Okay, I suppose the whole world knew this but I didn't. Was just > reading some history that said the high foot kicking techniques and of > tkd sports and traditional tkd originated from the skills necessary of > foot soldiers to kick/attack an opponent while they were seated on their > horse during battle. One myth(?) goes that the flying side kick was to knock a person off their horse, horses from China being much shorter than those you might be thinking of here in the US. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 07:22:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #94 ******************************* Support the USTU by joining today! 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