From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #97 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thurs, 18 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 097 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: self-defense the_dojang: Re: in pursuit of perfection the_dojang: Re: kung fu dancin babies the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #96 the_dojang: Sucker Punch Re: the_dojang: Re: in pursuit of perfection the_dojang: Re: Junior Sport TKD vs. Jr. Traditional the_dojang: jewelry and makeup the_dojang: test fees the_dojang: teaching your own the_dojang: Re: V6 #91:Spartans the_dojang: jewelry the_dojang: re: black belt club/Aaron Harmon the_dojang: Happy New Year the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:44:07 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: self-defense Jamaica wrote: <> I teach my students to scream "Fire!" I have been told, and after some thought, believe, that with as much noise pollution out there, no one responds simply to screaming. But, everyone wants to know where the fire might be-sort of selfish. Take Care, Peter M. ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:55:27 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: in pursuit of perfection Jamaica asks: <> I am (and always will be) a student. The more I learn, the more I discover there is to know. I strive for perfection of my technique, but it is the journey to me which is important. I am having a wonderful time on my journey. Watching someone who is ambivalent about their technique is upsetting to me. But then, I am the instructor so I have to motive my student so that he/she is not simply doing martial aerobics (to quote a Seinfeld episode, "Not that there is anything wrong with that", but you all know what I mean). Great question Jamaica! BTW-excellent story Greg! Almost got misty :))) Take Care, Peter M. ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:12:56 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: kung fu dancin babies In a message dated 2/17/99 4:14:47 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << i wrote: >oh ya, almost forgot...the screen saver with the dancing baby doing techniques >to the tune of "kung-fu fighting". _that_, my friends, is hysterical. mike wrote: Screen saver you say? I have that as an avi file. You are right however - it is good :) >> hmmm...i'm pretty sure i've got it as a screen saver. will have to check that. and i have a correction. i told y'all i got that from the mawn downloads. however, i believe i got it from the aol dancin baby download site. sorry for the screw up there! melinda ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:11:52 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #96 In a message dated 2/17/99 5:46:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << If a student has been working extremely hard, has a great attitude and spirit and has shown the appropriate amount of improvement, they pass irregardless of the actual test. The promotional test is as much a chance for validation in front of your peers as much as anything. A chance to "shine" as it may. >> "Shiny" or not, I am sorry, but "irregardless" is not a word in the English language. Regardless = without regard ------------------------------ From: James Clark Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:28:59 +1100 Subject: the_dojang: Sucker Punch Jamaica wrote : This weekend I was sparring with a friend of mine and in the course of the match he used the term sucker punch. I hadn't heard this term used for quite sometime. Last time I think I heard it was at a boxing match I was at. Is this term still common in dojangs that teach self defense or is there a newer term out there? Just curious. ============================================================ We used to call it a 'hay maker' as well in the 1st dojang I trained in (Hapkido again). Generally speaking we were told that that probably 9 times out of 10 this shot would be like a hook (right or left) and aimed at the head but with a larger arc. To block it was near impossible so we were taught to raise the arm as if we were performing an upward elbow strike and bringing the upper arm or bicep area right up next to the ear , covering the side of the head and face (hope this makes sense). In this way if the blow did land it hit the fleshy , muscular part of the arm. We found this the quickest and most effective way to deal with it. This also worked quite well protecting the head area from a turning or round house kick. It is more a deflective technique than a block so it is important try and move the body so as the blow just glances off the arm rather than hits straight on. Ham ni da ! James ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:58:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: in pursuit of perfection > I am (and always will be) a student. The more I learn, the more I discover > there is to know. I strive for perfection of my technique, but it is the > journey to me which is important. I am having a wonderful time on my journey. What I heard once, "Sometimes a teacher, always a student". And that was from a 9th Dan... You gotta love it! Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 01:34:43 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Junior Sport TKD vs. Jr. Traditional Jamaica wrote: << Well now we have the Olympics and for some parents and students this is the ultimate and even obsessive goal. >> IMHO, if you go and look at the bios of almost any modern Olympian medalist, they (and their families) might seem obsessive to those who don’t share their goals. However, the dreamers who don’t work for literally years with the goal of competing and winning don’t get anywhere. << Many of the schools they come from will be much much more aggressive in their fighting and overall competition techniques. If I thought it was unbalanced before I wonder what the next few years will bring. I mean the junior olympics will not have a check off list for: Are you here from a traditional school or sports TKD school. Could this possibly result in more mismatches or perhaps injuries??? >> Again, IMO, the problem is not aggressive competitors vs traditional competitors. Competitions have always been mismatched between those who strive for excellence and those who are just having a good time in sports of any kind. The problem is that those “traditional” instructors allow their students to get to JO’s (or even States) without being FULLY aware of what awaits them in the competition ring. Our instructors and coaches would not ask any of the students in our school to go to a tournament without explaining the possibility for injury. Before our state competition, there is a meeting of all competitors from our school and their parents. The instructors explain about the competition, proper behavior, rules of the competition, what the judges will be looking for in awarding points, etc. Then there’s a Q&A session. This year, one 16-year- old’s parents realized at the meeting that their son’s 6-month-old black belt status placed him in knockout competition with the 14-17 rules. Now, this was clearly stated in the registration forms, but they saw what they wanted to see - -- “Our little Johnny fighting in his first black belt competition.” At the meeting it was explained in very clear terms, in 14-17 you can be knocked out. If you don’t want to be knocked out, don’t compete. Having said all that, let me also say that I have a 15-year-old who competes in both junior and senior sparring. He has never been knocked out, and has had only one fairly minor injury requiring stitches. Afterwards, he was only upset with himself for not blocking the kick. We know there are dangers in this sport, but to my son the rewards are far greater than the risks. As long as he feels that way, AND KNOWS THE RISKS, we’ll back him 100%. Sally Baughn CBAUGHN@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Perry Seto" Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:45:17 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: jewelry and makeup Kim, It's been a while since I've referees but I've always made them remove the jewelry. As far as makeup is concerned, I've never run across that situation. I guess I would let it go as long as it did not detract from the match itself. Hope that helps. - -Perry- pseto@aptl.com ------------------------------ From: "Perry Seto" Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:51:35 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: test fees Sounds like we have one of the more moderate fees for 1st Dan testing. We charge $100 for chodan. Assuming $70 goes to the Kukkiwon, we have $30 left over. For that $30 the candidates get a new black belt AND a new dobok - black trim WTF style (usually with the Cal script logo on the sleeve) - when their promotion is announced. Hey .... maybe we lose money .... I'll have to talk to someone about raising the fees. :-)))) - -Perry- pseto@aptl.com ------------------------------ From: "Perry Seto" Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 00:04:31 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: teaching your own Thank you Peter and Andrew for responding to my post It's kind of reinforced some of my own feelings regarding teaching my son. Because of the way things go, I still often end up having to teach his kids class when the other instructor doesn't show up. It's been OK teaching him so far (BTW he's seven years old) ... he actually listens pretty well ... but I've seen him listen better when it's the other black belts teaching. My wife doesn't train so I've never really had that experience with her (she came to one class then dropped out - probably cuz I was the instructor) :-) I did, however, teach her how to drive a car with a clutch ... and our marriage STILL somehow survived. Oh yeah, that's probably because I taught her BEFORE we were married. :-))))))) I'm going to try and incorporate some of the suggestions that you have both given me, particularly your suggestions regarding discipline in the dojang, Andrew. BTW, you say that your daughter will be old enough to start training next year. How old is that? I'm always curious to see when people start their kids off. Thank you very much. - -Perry- pseto@aptl.com ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:24:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V6 #91:Spartans Does it seem odd to anyone else that one of the ultimate marital societies in recorded history is in use in the patches thread as a derogatory comparison? "Go tell the Spartans, thou who passest by That here, obedient to their laws, we lie." >Seems to me that advanced martial artists will share any and all of their >training with anyone who wants to benefit from it. They are rarely "closed >" >or "Spartan," but seem to have a very secure sense of self that doesn't >feel a >need to advertise their accomplishments in neon. (Bet this also describes >you >to some degree ) Tang Soo! Scott A. Miller samiller@bix.com samiller@cyberenet.net ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:57:13 EST Subject: the_dojang: jewelry > Just a question going across the board: What action is usually taken when > competitors (be it male or female) wear jewelry or a whole lotta makeup in > the ring? Just a question... > > Kim Jones > AddidasTKD@aol.com Kim, I've never seen anyone wear too much makeup to workout or compete, so in the famous words of my 2 yr. old "I don't know" :0) Since I don't compete I've seen a lot of tourneys from beginning to end. IF a person has too much in the way of jewelry that match is pushed to the side and the next is taken while s/he "gets it together." In the case of say one diamond ring it can be given to their sparring coach and the match proceeds. Often I've seen competitors tuck in a simple gold chain with maybe one charm on it inside their dobak. I don't support this at all. IF it was my kid he would wear clothes and gear and that's all. What bothers me is that the competitor who showed up "properly attired" is really put out by having to wait. B/c of the way that competitors often go ring to ring throughout the day I feel that this could be a major problem and slow down the works. Also, I should mention that if a competitor had faulty gear or was missing gear the same would happen. FWIW, I've only seen USTU tourneys and in-school small-scale tournaments. Dawne ------------------------------ From: "Lasich, Mark D." Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:27:08 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: re: black belt club/Aaron Harmon Aaron, Is this Black Belt Club part of the ATA, or is this some other organization you belong to? Just curious, as I know the red trim on the uniform (in the ATA) is usually reserved for Instructors in Training! Thanks in advance! Mark.Lasich@alcoa.com I asked for everything so I could enjoy life. Instead, HE gave me life so I could enjoy everything! ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 06:50:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Happy New Year Please note that STANDARD HOROSCOPE DISCLAIMER applies ;-) =========================== RAT (1900, 1912, 1924, 1936, 1948, 1960, 1972, 1984, 1996) A calm and quiet year, during which the Rat will acquire new and valuable business or career contacts - and we all know how good he is at networking. His popularity is on the rise and he will move in new or better circles. Secret dreams and aspirations can be realized if he plays his cards right and finds the right sponsor or mentor. Working behind the scenes will be more useful tot he Rat than open opposition at this time. OX (1901, 1913, 1925, 1937, 1949, 1961, 1973, 1985, 1997) On the whole, the Rabbit provides a fair year for the Ox, although there are many loose ends to tie up and other problems to settle. He may lose money on some investments or fail to collect debts. The death of, or separation from, people close to him bring some sorrow and distract him from his work. However, the tranquil atmosphere of the Rabbit's year brings him respite from his many commitments. His progress will be steady and predictable and he does not have much to worry about. This is a good time for him to catch up on the things he really enjoys. Go sailing, fishing, mountain climbing, play golf, or simply take time off. TIGER (1903, 1914, 1926, 1938, 1950, 1962, 1974, 1986, 1998) A calm and fortuitous year for the Tiger native. Some good news is in store and both romance and business affairs look promising. He will be able to surmount the difficulties in his path as long as he refuses to be drawn into controversy or problems that do not concern him. All in all, he will be content with his achievements this year. RABBIT (1904, 1915, 1927, 1939, 1951, 1963, 1975, 1987, 1999) This is a very auspicious year for the Rabbit native. Promotions, career advancement or financial coups may be in store for him. He will reap unexpected benefits, and investments or funds once considered lost could be recovered. Happy tidings and celebrations at home will bring him joy and romance. Projects he has been working on will finally come to fruition. This is definitely a time for the Rabbit to make "hay" while his full Rabbit moon shines on him! DRAGON (1905, 1916, 1928, 1940, 1952, 1964, 1976, 1988, 2000) Tranquility returns to the Dragon's life in the year of the Rabbit. A fair amount of progress can be expected as the winds of fortune blow on the Dragon's sails again. His home and love life become more settled, although he could experience minor health problems. The Hare year is a reasonable time to make long-term commitments, negotiate new ventures and find influential associates. No financial upsets or bad news await the Dragon in this year. SNAKE (1906, 1917, 1929, 1941, 1953, 1965, 1977, 1989, 2001) Although many commitments keep him very busy, this will be a fairly happy year for the Snake. The year of the hare may look tranquil, but its currents run deep, and what looks so inviting from the surface may hold some surprises if we take things for granted. The Rabbit is calculating and superficial when in a negative mode and quickly loses interest once he gets what he wants. The Snake usually knows what he wants and will work toward achieving his aims, but this year he'll be unable to spend enough time with those hi likes due to all his responsibilities. Money comes and goes easily as the Hare's bounty does not stay in one place for long. HORSE (1907, 1918, 1930, 1942, 1954, 1966, 1978, 1990, 2002) The Horse will be lucky this year, especially with his investments. His life will be smooth but still very involved. He can expect happy news or new members in the family. In this protected year, he can venture anywhere and encounter few problems. The more adventurous Horses may get a respite from their hectic life or many travels and be able to take care of matters at home and get a well-deserved rest this year. A blessing in disguise will also make the horse happy this year. SHEEP (1908, 1919, 1931, 1943, 1955, 1967, 1979, 1991, 2003) The Rabbit's year will be a fortunate and fairly easy one for the Sheep as he chalks up some gains at work and in his finances. He will benefit from being in the right place at the right time and will meet people who give him information or assistance. However, he should not be too complacent. He could suffer an upheaval at home or some repercussion due to past neglect. Health problems could be caused by accidental injuries or overexertion. But he will emerge from his troubles with more gains than losses. MONKEY (1909, 1920, 1932, 1944, 1956, 1968, 1980, 1992, 2004) This will be a good year for the Monkey as the Rabbit brings him better prospects and situations in which the Monkey could capitalize on his wits. Benefits accrue to him form unlikely friends and places. His domestic life and love life will be tranquil, and his career or business will enjoy some upward gains. A safe time for him to make changes in his environment and check out various opportunities. The sensible Rabbit helps the Monkey develop new contacts and ideas. He is able to sell himself and find ways to promote his many abilities. However, the Monkey should watch his tongue and not be over-confident or boastful. People could use his ideas or what he says against him if he is not careful and vigilant. ROOSTER (1910, 1921, 1933, 1945, 1957, 1969, 1981, 1993, 2005) This will be a fair time for the Rooster if he remains conservative in outlook. The Rabbit's year could initially look soft and cuddly on the outside but could in reality present some unpleasant surprises. Investments this year are unreliable and the Rooster should not speculate. The Rooster must seek expert advice and be sure to take it or else he will wind up making the wrong choices. He is also prone to miscalculations during this year and his profits may be eaten away by unexpected expenses. It would be advisable for him to join forces with others instead of acting independently. Arguing, criticizing or challenging authority is discouraged. The Rooster does not need any more controversy than he already has. His family and love life may be strained if he is too distracted by his problems at work. DOG (1911, 1922, 1934, 1946, 1958, 1970, 1982, 1994, 2006) The virtuous Hare brings a favorable year for the aspirations of the Dog. He can start his own business or go into a partnership. He will be able to advance his position and can reorganize matters to the benefit of others. Difficulties are resolved with a minimum of complications because it is so easy for him to gain the people's cooperation. In his love and home lives, the Dog will find harmony or solve problems without much difficulty. The Dog will find few obstacles in his path. He is able to concentrate on doing what he likes and pursuing his hobbies. Because the Rabbit gives the Dog a lot of room to maneuver in, the Dog will be able to relax and, as a result, become more productive. BOAR (1912, 1923, 1935, 1947, 1959, 1971, 1983, 1995, 2007) The reign of the Rabbit brings a fair year for the Boar with some modest results. Obstacles may still crop up but there will be no major upheavals as the Boar recaptures lost ground and makes good progress. His love life and family environment will be tranquil and there will be reunions and other happy gatherings. The Boar will enjoy entertaining and making new contacts. He also makes some financial gains and is able to consolidate his position to a good degree. This year brings new social ties and romantic involvement for the Boar person. ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 06:54:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #97 ******************************* Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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