From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #101 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 19 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 101 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: spinning hook (a.k.a have a seat) the_dojang: Kids the_dojang: Teaching Very Young Children the_dojang: Congrats, Perry! the_dojang: back kicks and black belts the_dojang: Re: Oops! Meant To Say... the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #100 the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #100 the_dojang: Re: jewelry the_dojang: A natural start the_dojang: USTU, BB Club the_dojang: Motivating Children the_dojang: Active Participation Re: the_dojang: USTU, BB Club the_dojang: Health of Younger Female Athletes & Competitors the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:11:23 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: spinning hook (a.k.a have a seat) In a message dated 2/18/99 6:14:51 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Now about when to introduce certain kicks. Roundhouse and sidekicks were the first introduced along with front snap kick. When I switched dojangs they taught a spinning hook kick. I HATE this kick. Give me a sidekick any day. In fact once I actually FELL ON MY BUTT >> you only fell on yer butt once? boy do i feel sheepish now :) melinda (with a permanent ice pack strapped on her booty) ------------------------------ From: "Dennis McHenry" Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:28:09 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Kids <> I worked on and off with my daughters from when they could walk (even before). They didn't like plain white dobaks, they wanted "pink". So I dyed their uniforms pink. They were cute, two little girls (2 & 3) that were wearing pink uniforms. I still have a picture of one of them when she was 4 after breaking her first board (12"x10") wearing her pink dobak. They still continue to train with me today, having attained 3rd gup (8yr old) and 1st dan (10yr old), but have grown out of those pink uniforms . Master Mac ------------------------------ From: Steven Gilmore Date: Fri, 19 Feb 99 10:24:43 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Teaching Very Young Children I have seen several messages now detailing very young children (2 years old and thereabouts) beginning MA practice. I simply can't believe it. Out of a mix of economic necessity and marketplace demand, I teach a small class (limited to 7 students) of 4 and 5 year old children. It is about 3% martial art technique, about 70% fun and games, and the rest discipline and social education. If I would allow it, enrollment would probably be triple or quadruple what it is now, but it is hard enough to control just the seven that I have now. I have taught this class for nearly 9 months. I have formed the following opinion: Children younger than 8 or 9 years old should not be in martial arts: they lack the physical and mental development to perform successfully (yes, I have seen some exceptions, but they were RARE); my mother is an early education specialist (doctorate) and generally agrees with this conclusion. Likewise, I don't think children in this age group should be in ballet, gymnastics (too much potential for serious injury), or any of the other half-dozen activities that I see them in: I think they should be in non-contact team sports, cub scouts, or other socializing physical-mental activities. I think that the real need is to educate parents to simply let children be children (lots of "free" time) and not to rush them into adolescence by pushing "activities." Flame me if you wish. Sincerely, Steven Gilmore San Antonio, TX ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:47:12 PST Subject: the_dojang: Congrats, Perry! Congratulations Perry on your most recent test and all the others.! I am soooooooo jealous ! hahah :) x a zillion! Let me see, oh yeah I remember one test where maybe I was almost that awesome., maybe. I think that post was harder for you than any of your testings. Well, there's a time to be humble and a time to be proud. You are a great inspiration to your son and to me. Thanks for sharing the experiences on the forum. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Sara" Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:41:20 PST Subject: the_dojang: back kicks and black belts > I think the hardest kick so far it the Side kick! >I suspect it will vary from person to person, but in general (from a >study I recall reading) the back kick is the strongest kick for most. __________________________ I find the side kick has more nuances to it than should be physically or mentally possible. I think I have been given about one hint a week (for the last *4* months!) that would improve my side-kick, and there is still more to learn. I am learning it though. Now the back kick is something else entirely. Help me all you want but my first tendency is to over-rotate and fall down! I have no doubt it can be a very strong kick (and I realize back kicks are executed differently in different arts), but I just hope I can remain standing and still pull off a decent one! Something to work on, eh? For Jamaica: My first instructor told me when looking into a new school: Look first at the black belts. If you see one there that you want to look like, consider the school. If you don't see one that you want to look like, move on. I don't think it's uncommon for people visiting a new school to very closely examine the black belts. They really do reflect the school as a whole, like you said. I was lucky cuz my first instructor was beautiful to watch, and I try to look like him no matter what other examples I'm given (and there are some poor ones out there--that's a fact--but it is their choice to look that way and our choice to follow or not follow). I plan on someday being that student that a new student wants to emulate. one_sara@hotmail.com "The Lord is my light and my salvation. Whom shall I fear?" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:15:13 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Oops! Meant To Say... >> I got involved because I wanted a positive environment for my students who >> wanted to compete in tournaments, and I could be happier with the results. >>Dave, >I'm assuming you meant couldn't be happier with the results. right? sounds >like you have nothing but positive to share. thanks for the info. > awne Oops! Opened my mouth and inserted my foot. I meant to say that I'm very happy with the AAU! - --Dave For more information about AAU Taekwondo visit www.aautaekwondo.org ------------------------------ From: "Michael Sarles" Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:24:26 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #100 > > "Shiny" or not, I am sorry, but "irregardless" is not a word in > the English > language. > Regardless = without regard > >> > > websters dictionary: > "irregardless (ir' i gard' lis), adv. Nonstandard. regardless. > [1910-15; IR-2 > (prob. after irrespective) + --Usage. IRREGARDLESS is considered > nonstandard > because of the two negative elements ir- and -less. Those who use > the word, > including on occasion educated speakers, may do so from a desire to add > emphasis. IRREGARDLESS first appeared in the early 20th century and was > perhaps popularized by its use in a comic radio program of the 1930's. " > > hmm. looks like a word to me. ooh, here's another word i found in there: > > "nit'pick' or nit'-pick' , v., -picked, -pick-ing. --v.i. 1. to > be critical of > inconsequential details; niggle. --v.t. 2. to criticize by > focusing on minute > details. [1965-70] --nit'pick'er. n." > > melinda > chunjido@aol.com Ouch. She shoots, she scores. Nice flame! Michael Sarles msarles@ior.com ------------------------------ From: "Michael Sarles" Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:29:13 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #100 Our schoold doesn't allow any type of jewelry. Not even wedding bands. Nothing. This was due to a student a long time ago that was playing basketball in a County league, went to move past somebody and wound up leaving his pinky fingernail someplace else. As he had slipped past his opponent, his pinky fingernail got caught between the finger and ring of a player that was wearing a wedding band and it tore it right off of his pinky. So now we have a rule...no jewelry. That way you don't make to make concessions on what a person can wear and what they can't - everybody knows - and you don't have to wait for an accident to occur from something you hadn't thought possible. My $0.02 worth... Michael Sarles msarles@ior.com [snip] > It is a rule in my school that there is to be no jewlery worn > during the > workout and especially during sparring. The only exceptions that > are made are > wedding bands. There is no wearing of chains, bracelets, ear > rings, watches, > any other piercings, ect... If some lady happens to have a > large diamond on > her finger, she is encouraged to remove it during sparring, but [snip] > Has anyone else every had this type of incident in thier > schools/training? ------------------------------ From: "Dana Vaillancourt" Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:34:39 PST Subject: the_dojang: Re: jewelry the_dojang: Re: Jewlery in Class On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 you wrote... > > It is a rule in my school that there is to be no jewelry worn during the>workout and especially during sparring. The only exceptions that are made are>wedding bands. I was glad to hear someone else mention they do not remove their wedding ring. I've not taken mine off for over fifteen years since my wife put it there and although perhaps not meaningful to some others, it is very meaningful to me. I've trained that entire time and have never had to take it off in class or sparring. Although for a while, I did some creative taping for USTU sparring. I too have heard of and seen an earring get ripped out. Not pretty. As an instructor, the piece of jewelry I gone through the most is watches. I've taught in some facilities that had no clocks on the wall and done demos and have broken more watches through breakfalling. Thank goodness they are cheap now. I also now wear a watch on my left hand because early on in my training, I had a habit of backfisting immovable objects [walls, etc.] --not good for the crystal. And of course, I do not wear expandable bands because the watch tends to fly off................ It was easier as a student in class with no more worries than not kealing over!! So, I've invested more than my two cents! Dana ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Scott Apple Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 14:21:00 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: A natural start >When I'm warming up she already (18 months old) does the splits with me and chucks a few forward rolls - ---------------------- This is my first time to write to the digest. I've been reading it for a few weeks now, and have loved it. I want to address the topic of when children should begin learning TKD. I also have an 18-month old daughter. I, however, have been in TKD for only 8 months. I go workout twice a week and my wife and daughter go with me often. My daughter loves it when I work out at home. She especially loves the ki-haps and her kicks look great. What I really love, though, is when I hear her little 18-month old voice during class saying "go.....daddy!" I love TKD and all I'm learning. I hope that she will take it up, too. As far as I'm concerned, if these good experiences continue for her, she'll be much more likely to want to do it, too. So far, it's been a great thing for the whole family. I think it will be a natural thing for her to begin formal training in TKD at an early age. I'm hoping... One more thing: Thanks again, Greg, for your great story the other day. Scott Apple sapple@boardmember.com ------------------------------ From: burdickd Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:00:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: USTU, BB Club Perry, the USTU was definitely an outgrowth of the AAU program. Check out the USTU patch, and then go find an AAU patch. Please note that the AAU patch has been around a lot longer. The AAU program came earlier as a result of Ken Min and other Korean judoka in the AAU Judo program who then started the AAU TKD program. Prof. Min was pivotal in all of that. As for the black belt club, this is a very common tool to inspire one's students and perhaps earn some extra bucks on the side. The EFC black belt clubs ("This is a black belt school") relies on selling black belt directed memberships at a higher cost. Black belt club students receive discounts on equipment, additional specialized training, and usually a special patch or uniform modification to show how elite they are. Since most students only stick with a school for one year, getting three year contracts is a great benefit in keeping one's school afloat. And, for that small number of us who actually love the arts and would stay three years anyways, it is usually a good deal (depending on who your instructor is and how much the fine is for early cancellation of the contract). Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: "CALLAHAN" Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:04:34 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Motivating Children We have a group of children, ranging from 10 - 15 years old and white - red belt, that come to class regularly, and seem to really enjoy training and learning new techniques. But, they don't put forth a lot of effort and enthusiasm -- they look like they are simply "going through the motions" and trying to make the class time a social occasion. We do tend to keep the socializing under control, but the enthusiasm never seems to surface. I feel it is the responsibility of the instructor to motivate these children and get them to put more effort into there techniques. How do you accomplish this without being too rigid with them? After all, they are children not adults. Chris Callahan "Violence when there is an alternative, is immoral; Violence when there is no alternative, is survival" ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:35:26 PST Subject: the_dojang: Active Participation I am an absolute sports fanatic. All sports.. And so over the years I've been watching different sports as they try to get more media attention and audience attendance. Whether it's football or golf, tennis or basketball, boxing, etc there is an obvious trend to more active audience participation. Now I have mixed feelings on this for some sports. I sort of like a more reserved audience for golf but LOVE the hyperness of football and basketball. Since I have been a ref at ity bity tournaments and great big ones and have been at reserved tournaments and then others where parents are in the ring in my face haha (even after I told them to please keep their distance)..such a mistake.. anyway.. I was wondering how others felt about yelling and chanting from the audience, more polite verbiage from the coaches, more audience noise and maybe songs like at a Bulls game, doing the wave, etc. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 14:11:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: USTU, BB Club > Perry, the USTU was definitely an outgrowth of the AAU program. Check > out the USTU patch, and then go find an AAU patch. Please note that > the AAU patch has been around a lot longer. I agree that the AAU has been around longer, but the patch aspect.?. The Union Pacific Railroad used a similar patch/logo long before the AAU. The US government was using it prior to the Union Pacific. Who used it before that? All I'm saying is that unless we talk to the person that came up with the USTU logo design we should not assume how/where their creative ideas were influenced. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 14:24:25 PST Subject: the_dojang: Health of Younger Female Athletes & Competitors I couldn't find any good study on this so I'll just throw out this question. Do you think that our younger female athletes/competitors (14 to 18 yo) are healthier than in most other sports? By this I mean most young women today without being active in sports are prone to anorexia and bulimia. Throw in sports of any kind and some competition be it competition with yourself or another (running, gymnastics, martial arts) this factor is increased and other issues such as amenorhea are added. TKD does break its young women down into weight divisions. Has anybody seen our competitors in these situations? You know they wear two turtlenecks and a heavy cotton dobak and they still look like a toothpick. I know it's hard to tell sometimes but when I used to do weight checks on some of these women it was a bit scary to see what "wasn't" there. Now from my experience at that time it was more isolated incidents but it was there. Wondering what the young women feel about this and what other younger students in the class are like? Is martial arts different than other sports or are you concerned about some of your students. Do they seem to be exercising overtime and explaining it away that they are competitive. I've had very anorexic girls tell me they were all muscle with a low percent body fat. Seems to be a typical excuse. How far would you take off weight to fit into a particular weight division whether it was for competitive advantage or self esteem issues? Thanks. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:07:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #101 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. 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