From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #104 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 22 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 104 In this issue: the_dojang: REminder: dobahks/books for Sarajevo the_dojang: Re: 10-15 yr olds the_dojang: Re: Master Mac the_dojang: Re: teaching kids the_dojang: RE: Mulligrubs the_dojang: RE: 2 yo black belts the_dojang: Mini-study: kids in class - please take a second the_dojang: Re: belt bleed the_dojang: Subject: Karate Babies the_dojang: Re: paper topic the_dojang: 15 Minutes of Fame the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #103 the_dojang: World TKD Championship the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #102 the_dojang: Choose school? the_dojang: Fire? the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #102 the_dojang: Helloooo Out there in Cyberland!! the_dojang: Training and other Questions for our Younger Athletes the_dojang: USTU/AAU the_dojang: Re: Make-up, glowing/perspiring/sweating (and ring 'n things) Re: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #102 Re: the_dojang: USTU/AAU the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #102 the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Judi Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 16:30:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: REminder: dobahks/books for Sarajevo Members, please consider sending your old uniforms, books, training materials, equipment to Sarajevo to help those less fortunate than we are in their pursuit of the Martial Arts. The URL below is a link to letters and photos recieved by a newgroup member. The letter is from Nedzad Kapic who is finding a way to join together war torn people through Martial Arts. http://www.acdk.org/ and then choose TaeKwonDo in Bosnia Link If you are interested in assisting Nedzad, please email me directly. I'll be sending a box of supplies when enough is gathered. thanks, Judi cjudi@sprint.net - --------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.bcity.com/osa U.S. Headquarters of the Korean Tigers Learn Discipline. Earn Respect. Build Confidence. Practice Self-Defense. ------------------------------ From: "CALLAHAN" Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 16:48:29 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: 10-15 yr olds >Just outta curiosity - have you ever thought of planning an activity or >activities for them out of class time? Like a Christmas gift exchange >ordance. Or a trip to a local Korean restaurant? I think their want >tosocialize is pretty normal considering their hormones. However, even at >myage I really enjoy seeing my master in situations outside of the >dojang.Makes him feel more "human" somehow. It also creates memories and >storiesthat can be told and retold and laughed at over and over. Kinda like >theoral-history tradition my Mom (oldest of 6) keeps up, and Willingly so. >Maybethen they would know the dojang can be a fun place but that training >and funhave a different time and purpose. Of course you could have tried >all thisand it was a bust. Dawne Dawne, Before and after every class we give them about 5 minutes or so to socialize and play. We also have about 3 or 4 extra curricular activities a year, unasociated with a traditional class, where they get a chance to play and be kids for a few hours. So, if I understood your response correctly, I think we give them ample opportunity to socialize amongst themselves, and it doesn't seem to make any difference. They are all good kids and tend to listen quite well to the instructors -- we just don't seem to get much effort nor motivation out of them. Unless, you spend the class time playing games and having competitions, and that certainly takes away from the sense of structure, discipline and tradition. Our Korean Grandmaster is very traditional, so we have to make sure things run in a ,some what, traditional manner. Still searching for answers, Chris Callahan "Violence when there is an alternative, is immoral; Violence when there is no alternative, is survival" ------------------------------ From: "CALLAHAN" Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 16:52:57 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Master Mac > While I was reading your post I commented to my wife that it sounds just > like a post that I would have written! I have the exact same problem, but > my students are from 6 - 12. With only a couple of exceptions, the majority > are the same as you stated. The other side of this are those who seem to > try, but "just don't get it". No matter how many time I correct them, they > continue to go back to their way of doing things (very bad stances, bad and > low kicks, improper techniques, lack of effort/speed, etc.) > > Master Mac > TANG SOO! > Thanks for letting me know I'm not the only one out here with this problem. It certainly sounds like we are experiencing the same thing and have some of the same thoughts -- not wanting to generate internal competitions with the kids in order to get them motivated. There has to be other ways to accomplish this. Chris Callahan "Violence when there is an alternative, is immoral; Violence when there is no alternative, is survival" ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:26:40 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: teaching kids Can kids train and learn? The answer is yes and no. When my oldest son first wanted to study martial arts, he was five and Power Rangers were in all their glory (original cast). I originally enrolled him in a once a week kid class to give him a taste of training and he took to it like a fish to water. Other kids dropped as soon as the six weeks were up. I then called an Akido Master of whom I knew. He gave me the following advice: anybody who takes a kid under 5 without checking them out first is taking your money. He then recommended two people in my area whom he trusted and respected. We ended up at one of those schools, again by signing up for a short-term program to make sure he would take to the different/more serious nature of the training before going for long-term training. James is now 9 and was wise enough to know that, in spite of 4 years of hard work, he needs a break. In the past year, he has grown 6 inches in height and the forms and techniques that were once comfortable had become awkward and lacked power. He told me recently that he wants to go back for his black belt once he is sure he is "the right height." I should also note that last year, when James was being physically assaulted by a bully, he refused to use his training because he was scared of hurting the kid. He chose to try and block the punches and attacks rather than return them. I was frustrated, but proud of his decision. Micah, on the other hand, would have started at 3 had I let him. He loves the martial arts and is the one that wants to compete in the Olympics. At 7, I worry more about his physical problems (ie the osteoporosis) than his ability to concentrate. He has a natural affinity for the martial arts and his techniques are powerful. I have no doubt that if he threw a punch with the intention of hurting someone, he would. I find each child is different. I know people with ADHD kids that enroll them in MA training because it helps to teach the kids focus. I have seen it help a couple of those kids greatly. I have also seen it disrupt a number of classes for the kids who do not take to the training. I do not like "family" style classes because, while it is convenient, it is tough to work in the same room as kids. I know the couple of times that James and I trained together in class, he was scared to throw a punch/kick/whatever at me because I was his mom. (He had no problem with the male black belts tho') So, for each kid it is different. Tang Soo! Karla ------------------------------ From: "Longhorn, Andrew" Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:27:06 +1100 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Mulligrubs My ques. to you is HOW do you take your daughter > to the dojang? WHAT do you DO with her? I knew a family that would set > their > 2 yr. old up in a porta-playpen and there she'd stay 1-2 hours a night, 3 > nights a week. My kid climbed out and gave me a look like "are you nuts"? > I > would like to bring her more at least to cheer her brother on, what do you > suggest? Our new school has an observation room upstairs and that works > for > awhile but she really wants to be on the mat. > We have a secret training technique, even older than the oldest martial art of all time, it's called "Grandma". :) We are very lucky, in that her Grandmother has no desire to train, but loves to watch and loves to look after our daughter, so she feeds her, changes her, while I teach and the rest of the family train. She does try and get on the mat when no-one is holding her. Andrew Longhorn ------------------------------ From: "Longhorn, Andrew" Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:59:25 +1100 Subject: the_dojang: RE: 2 yo black belts > I have seen several messages now detailing very young children (2 years > old and thereabouts) beginning MA practice. I simply can't believe it. > Out of a mix of economic necessity and marketplace demand, I teach a > small class (limited to 7 students) of 4 and 5 year old children. It is > about 3% martial art technique, about 70% fun and games, and the rest > discipline and social education. If I would allow it, enrollment would > probably be triple or quadruple what it is now, but it is hard enough to > control just the seven that I have now. I have taught this class for > nearly 9 months. > I have formed the following opinion: > Children younger than 8 or 9 years old should not be in martial arts: > they lack the physical and mental development to perform successfully > (yes, I have seen some exceptions, but they were RARE); my mother is an > early education specialist (doctorate) and generally agrees with this > conclusion. Likewise, I don't think children in this age group should be > in ballet, gymnastics (too much potential for serious injury), or any of > the other half-dozen activities that I see them in: I think they should > be in non-contact team sports, cub scouts, or other socializing > physical-mental activities. I think that the real need is to educate > parents to simply let children be children (lots of "free" time) and not > to rush them into adolescence by pushing "activities." > Flame me if you wish. > No, I don't wish to flame, no point, we are only talking opinions. As always, the majority of where everyone forms opinions is through experience, and from what you said on current class makeup for your juniors I can see your concerns. My opinion differs primarily, I expect, due to the different style of classes I teach. You see our classes at the moment are completely combined having 4 year-old girls training alongside 18 year-old boys and 40 year olds. The class is something like 80% cardio, 30% flexibility, 80% technique and 98% fun. (there is some overlap obviously!) We occassionally (read once a month?) play silly games just to get the class laughing and remembering to enjoy life. One of my favourites is piggy-back sparring, grappling allowed. You get the big kids to piggy-back the little kids and go all on all punch-kick and takedowns. Very funny, no injuries yet after many years (touch wood) if you run the things sensibly you can do this safely. The point is: I see school, gymnastics, taekwondo, band, etc, etc, etc, all fantastic and diverse means of building a healthy child body, mind, emotion and spirit. As long as they experience is good and well formulated. Shitty teachers in any discipline can severely hamper the childs development (I am referring to the sort of push-push teachers in gymnastics that want all their kids to win gold medals, the sort I believe you based some of your apprehension on no? As well as the physical dangers with inexperienced or inadequate instruction). I have seen far too much good come from the children in my classes to ever consider removing them from training. As I said before, IMO my children will grow up knowing that school and TKD are compulsory, one for mind, maturity, education, social skills, etc, the other for body, spirit, maturity and self-defence (not exclusively, obviously). After that, they can choose piano, soccer, whatever for additional fun and education. Of course, I will hope all activities they partake in will offer strong positive benefits. Andrew Longhorn. ------------------------------ From: "Longhorn, Andrew" Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:12:14 +1100 Subject: the_dojang: Mini-study: kids in class - please take a second > I support your argument about younger children not being in the martial > arts. > At those ages, it's very hard to keep their concentration for very long, > sometimes long enough to explain a simple technique. They goof around too > much and create a lot of friction for the instructor. Now, if the child > demonstrates lots of concentration towards something, go ahead and let him > join, but the majority of children under the age of 10 just don't devote > the > time needed to the martial arts. > > The place where I practice TKD has a very lenient rule about enrolling in > the > class: If the child has youth membership, he/she can join. There are > kids as > young as 3 and 4 taking the class, but only because Mom needs them there > so > she can go. Those kids are so bad, too! The dojang is not a place where > you > babysit kids after class; it's a place of learning. This is a big problem > at > my dojang, and I'm just afraid to tell the instructor because he might > think > i'm coming across the wrong way... but they are distracting the older > students > from learning what they need to learn. > I am amazed, who else has problems with juniors in the class, and is it a kids only class or combined? I am interested actually in collating a quick study, you can reply to me directly if you wish, please answer these few quick questions, I'll post a summary to the list. 1) Do you have kids in the classes (<10 yo or <6yo or whatever). 2) how many in proportion to older people? (or is it a children only class and what is the age range) 3) How "unruly" would you classify their behaviour? 4) How much martial arts are they really learning? As apposed to child-minding, games, etc. 5) How "relaxed" are your classes? Do you train in tracksuits? or do you bow/no-talking/plain-white doboks, mlitary, etc. If there's anything else you think relevent, please comment: Thanks for your participation, Andrew Longhorn ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 22:29:37 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: belt bleed In a message dated 2/21/99 3:13:46 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << My uniforms have stains from the colors of my belts bleeding on them from all this sweat. It is that bad. Anyone else have this problem? Is there anything you can do about it? >> i had that problem too. apparently, it is blasphemous to wash your belt (which should pull out some of the excess dye). unfortunately, along with being sacreligious ;), it might also shrink yer belt. not good. what to do? no one has ever told me that it was wrong to soak yer belt in a water/vinegar mix. the mixture of water/vinegar will set the dye in your belt, without causing it to shrink or lose any of the brightness of color. melinda chunjido@aol.com ------------------------------ From: John Hancock <4karate@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 22:10:45 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Subject: Karate Babies Mr. Giddens, In reference to your comments about Karate Babies, just let me retort: "Children were meant to be cained and not heard." :-P John Hancock ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:15:52 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: paper topic <> percieved changes in self confidence as a result of participation in the martial arts. melinda chunjido@aol.com ------------------------------ From: John Hancock <4karate@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 22:26:10 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: 15 Minutes of Fame Helloooo all my fellow Digesters. Well...it is official. The April 99 issue of Black Belt magazine is out and on page 125 you can locate yours truely's article. The editing floor must have been hungry the day my article went to press...cause most of my article is missing and probably ended up on the proverbial editing room floor. At least 1/2 was cut...and only about 1/3 of the photo illustrations were included. They also changed the name of my article to "Quest for the Truth: The Origins of Tang Soo Do's Forms". Oh well....I can only imagine what my compensation will end up being now (I get 1/2 of an egg roll...right?). Anyway...please take time to pick up your copy and feel free to comment. If you would like to read some of the stuff that got cut concerning the Pyong Ahn forms....please go to my web site and look up the artcle on the Pyong Ahn forms. Here's a link for ya: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Pagoda/9536/pyong_ahn.html And just so no one makes the mistake...the photo of the old guy at the front of my article....uh....that ain't me...OK?! That is GM Hwang Kee. The editor put that photo in. All my good stuff never made it. But..on the next page...you do get to see me getting beat on and making goofy faces. Ah....such is the life of the free lance writer. Never appreciated for the truely greatness of one's work. 'Sigh' John Hancock ------------------------------ From: Tony Preston Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:53:13 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #103 ><< Children younger than 8 or 9 years old should not be in martial arts: > they lack the physical and mental development to perform successfully > (yes, I have seen some exceptions, but they were RARE); my mother is an > early education specialist (doctorate) and generally agrees with this > conclusion. Likewise, I don't think children in this age group should be > in ballet, gymnastics (too much potential for serious injury), or any of > the other half-dozen activities that I see them in: I think they should > be in non-contact team sports, cub scouts, or other socializing > physical-mental activities. I think that the real need is to educate > parents to simply let children be children (lots of "free" time) and not > to rush them into adolescence by pushing "activities." >> >I support your argument about younger children not being in the martial arts. >At those ages, it's very hard to keep their concentration for very long, >sometimes long enough to explain a simple technique. They goof around too First of all, I teach as an assistant instructor one day a week. I have taught at the same kids class since I was a brown belt. Second, we usually have anywhere from 12 to 20 4-8 yr olds in that class which is a beginner class(after you have had two belt tests you have to go to a different class). We start out a class with exercises, do forms, self-defense, and sometimes end up with no-touch sparring. We make it fun and usually have one rule that every kid obeys... When we finish something, we make them stand up and be still... Yes... even the worst 4 yr old will stand still for and "be like a black belt" for a few seconds. Kids *LOVE* *IT*. I have the cutest little 4 yr old girl, Nichole, who's smile is gonna break every boy's heart when she is older... She learns forms, can demonstrate them... She is typical of a very young student. One thing I do with the kids is make it a social thing where they are among equals. No pecking order except for the earned belt they wear. Doesn't matter if your a klutze at baseball or never get picked for someone's team, all that goes away when they enter the school. I do not agree that they can be injured... How? there is no contact with the kids until they have advanced to at least Green Belt(white, yellow, then Green). By then, they have done alot of no-touch sparring and have alot of fun with it. Karate at this point is a no-contact sport... They do punch and kick pads, but the idea is to teach then proper technique, not how to blast it. I have taught for about 2 years now and never had a problem with concentration... Yes, there are times when there is a kid that acts up, but funny... They are the exception, not the rule... Maybe the reason we have so many kids(several hundered kids...) that want to come to our classes is that we treat each and every one of them as a friend and with respect. When my head instructor was starting his "assistant instructor" program, he gave several weeks of training(I always thought it was a test of our desire to be an instructor to get up at 7 am sunday mornings for the class...) to show us how to teach... He showed me ideas on how to teach kids so that they don't get discouraged... How to always find something positive in what they did (Praise, Correct, Praise method he called it) while your fixing whatever they did wrong. We are not a formal school, people bow when the come into the training area, bow at the beginning and end of class and show respect by say "Yes sir" to a Black Belts. We use english words, not japanese or korean, maybe that little bit of difference is all kids need, I don't know. What I do know is that a 4 year old can learn several forms, techniques with no problem. I have alot of fun teaching them. It can be a safe and fun experience too. - -- - -- Tony Preston, Team *AMIGA*, Linux developer since 1996 - -- Custom Services, P. O. Box 254, Moorestown, NJ 08055 - -- The Amiga Zone BBS (609) 953-8159 ------------------------------ From: Gregg London Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:49:37 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: World TKD Championship Good Day, The official Web Site of the World Taekwondo Championships (in June in Edmonton) is at: http://www.glondon.com/worldtkd Best wishes, Gregg London - -- Gregg London Consulting Internet/Notes Development http://www.glondon.com Corporate/Trade Show Magic 703-242-7548 Tournament Automation Services ------------------------------ From: "Longhorn, Andrew" Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:29:43 +1100 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #102 > Personally, if my son ever says he wants to "quit", it would be fine with > me. I just want him to have the opportunity to pursue it if he wants. > The > choice is his. Hell .... I'm the same way. If it ever stop being "fun" > for > me, I'D quit. > Ahh, no we differ, If my child said "I hate school, I quit" I would say, "I'm sorry, you don't have a choice, it is compulsory" why would the arts be any different? School is made compulsory by law and I have my childs best interests at heart so I would not deny him that education, I would also not deny him the growth of a martial art. Schooling and Martial Arts in our family are compulsory by law. Andrew Longhorn ------------------------------ From: "Longhorn, Andrew" Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:32:56 +1100 Subject: the_dojang: Choose school? > I meant to mention that I concur with your opinion about "pushing" a young > child into doing "activities". At that early age, they SHOULD be allowed > to > be kids. I refuse to "push" my son into anything. He chose the martial > arts on his own .... if he "unchooses" it, so be it. But I feel the same > with cub scouts, or team sports or any activity. Let them be kids .... > let > them have a choice. > He has never refused to go to school? Hmmm. :) Andrew Longhorn ------------------------------ From: "Lasich, Mark D." Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:05:46 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Fire? Another technique, for ANYONE, to consider when being attacked is to remain very calm and almost have the "appearance" of being submissive and willing to cooperate. Then, when the attacker's guard is down, use whatever technique, object, verbalism, etc. that you need to to get out of the situation! It all depends on the situation, but an immediate rash reaction from the person being attacked *may* cause an immediate rash reaction from the attacker! This, of course, would not be a situation where you would be in control and the outcome may be less predictable! One more that I heard of is to learn a few phrases of a foreign language. Practice them enough that they flow. Then spout them off in a situation like this....the would be attacker will get confused and frustrated that the person doesn't understand them and give up (ideally!). It really doesn't matter what you say in the foreign language - you could be asking when the bus comes, or where is the subway! In the spirit of TKD... Mark.Lasich@alcoa.com I asked for everything so I could enjoy life. Instead, HE gave me life so I could enjoy everything! ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:53:56 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #102 Dear Ray, Did you get my piece about the evolution from NAAUTU to USTU? (I have not been paying careful attention lately!) Hope all is well.... Steven Silz ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:56:10 PST Subject: the_dojang: Helloooo Out there in Cyberland!! Not only are girls cutting weight, but so are the guys. At Juniors in Orlando this year, a black belt had cut weight. He competes in the super heavy division and tried to get out of it... this guy was stuttering and a complete mess. Needless to say, this past November I hear he gained 10 lbs. Go figure. Kim Jones _____________________________________________ Kim brought up an excellent point about the males. Are there any young male athletes on this digest that would like to respond regarding this issue and/or share some of your training experiences. Some of your difficulties and some of the highlights. It certainly would be appreciated. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:26:23 PST Subject: the_dojang: Training and other Questions for our Younger Athletes I am trying to combine a couple of different threads with the following questions. After my post about young female athletes and anorexia nervosa/bulimina, etc not only did Kim post on the digest but I received a few very remarkable stories from some incredible young female athletes. As I read their emails a few things stood out. First that we should be so proud of these young women (I say women because I didn't hear from any young men). Their skill levels and understanding of the complexities of competition were superior. In addition to that their ability to articulate in email to me in a fashion far beyond their chronological age really was impressive and needs to be acknowledged and complimented. Now I have questions for those that post and those that read: 1) There is a continuing thread on teaching young children. In some of the emails I received the young women told me many of them started at the age of 6 or younger. Some of them have now been in the martial arts over 10 years and they are only 16/17 years old. Amazing. So I would like to ask our young female athletes and competitors how you felt about beginning training at that age. What advice could you give to some of these moms, dads, and instructors that now have children the age of when you started. What were the upsides and downsides. Any areas you would like to improve? 2). What age did you feel like you had more of an "active" participation in making your own decisions. 3). What are your training programs as an athlete and instructor now that you are older and more seasoned. How often do you work out? What areas in your life did you compromise to give more to the artial arts? What's your diet like? Do you travel or compete mostly at home? Any and all info is appreciated. I'm fascinated by the emails you've sent. I hope you share with the rest of us. I'd like to be the student today and learn from you. Thanks Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: burdickd Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 07:23:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: USTU/AAU Ray wrote: I've heard you make this claim before and didn't say anything, but it just isn't a logical conclusion, IMHO. The AAU used it, they are older, therefore the USTU must have borrowed it from the AAU. Not necessarily so... My response: Well, the possibility that the USTU patch derives from the AAU patch becomes more likely when one remembers that the USTU leaders were in the AAU first. Ken Min is a perfect example. The USTU was preceded by AAU TKD, which was itself preceded by AAU Judo. AAU Judo in the late 1960s and early 1970s was greatly influenced by Korean judoka. Ken Min was one of those Korean judoka who then moved into TKD and helped set up the AAU TKD program. Do you agree that since the USTU leaders were originally AAU leaders, that they probably borrowed the AAU symbol for that reason? Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: "Murdoch, Marshall, Mr" <014marsh@chiron.wits.ac.za> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:50:34 GMT + 2.00 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Make-up, glowing/perspiring/sweating (and ring 'n things) Hello gang Here's my 2c (well $0.005 if you take into account the current exchange rate ;-) ;-) We all sweat. I'm a wannabe member of our club's sweaty men gang - they wring their doboks out after training, and we all go for a swim ;-) ;-) But depending on the local envionmental conditions (such as 30 or so people grading for second dan in a small, windowless hall (hell) for 2 hours) even the most feminine glow breaks out into a healthy horsesweat !!!! One of my fellow instructors took great pains to put on waterproof make-up before the grading. No dice. Nothing works in those conditions, she just had sticky gooey makeup everywhere, and looked worse than no makeup at all. It also hindered her concentration - every 10 sec she was wiping her gumed up eyes !!!. Besides, IMHO most women look better with a *lot* less make-up on than they think is necessary. Less is more. BTW no antipersperant *ever* works in the conditions above, being hot wet and smelly is unavoidable - the only consolation is everybody should be similarly drenched !!!! Finally, rings - I take mine off (I don't want any blood on my wedding band ;-) and I don't want it bent. After training I put it bak on again - no problem. If you have to do some controlled onestep sparring, or wrist locks or throws you really don't have time to run and take your rocks off (he he), just take them off before training and be safe. I do it - why can't everyone else just accept that I'm right and do likewise ? ;-) Suddenly the value of my two cents becomes $0.0000000000000002 ;-) ;-) ;-) !!!!!!!! Humbly yours (yeah right !) Marshall Murdoch TSD South Africa "Some men stumble upon the truth, most just pick themselves up and hurry on as if nothing had happened." Sir Winston Churchill ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 07:34:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #102 > Dear Ray, > Did you get my piece about the evolution from NAAUTU to USTU? (I have not been > paying careful attention lately!) Hope all is well.... > Steven Silz Nothing received yet. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 07:38:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: USTU/AAU > helped set up the AAU TKD program. Do you agree that since the USTU > leaders were originally AAU leaders, that they probably borrowed the > AAU symbol for that reason? Perhaps. I just wouldn't assume that was the case without investigation. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:27:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #102 I fight with the ancient ones, so lack of competitors is a frequent problem. I don't think I would accept a trophy that wasn't earned by at least one competitive match. On the other hand, given a choice between fighting with a group of 3 or 4 in my age group and mixing it up with the twenty-somethings (been offered this option at least twice) it doesn't take me long to decide to stay where I belong (although I _have_ been tempted to be stupid;>). >You're at a tournament. Nobody is in your division or maybe 1 other >person. Sometimes they present you with a first place trophy just cause >you were there. Sometimes they give you a token fight just to >demonstrate your skills. Tang Soo! Scott A. Miller samiller@bix.com samiller@cyberenet.net ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 07:41:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #104 ******************************** Attention USA WTFers! Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, California Taekwondo Standard disclaimers apply.