From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #109 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 23 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 109 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: low rank HKD the_dojang: Re: what I meant was the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #108 the_dojang: Re: Geneology the_dojang: Pros and Cons of Training Camps/Clinics the_dojang: Re:KSW class the_dojang: Do You Teach All You Know? the_dojang: Re: School in Manchester, NH the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #108 the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:29:03 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: low rank HKD > For those of you active in HKD/KSW/HRD, would you describe a typical class > format at your school? Especially for the lower belts. Ray, Well I qualify as a low belt in HKD so here it goes. Classes for me (all 3 of them) so far have been wrist grabs and those darn siderolls. In fact, class #2 we did 40 min. of siderolls. I'm the lowest belt so I'll often repeat a technique while the others add to it. For ex. many of these students can skip/run into a sideroll and bounce right back up to a standing position. I believe they are yellow belts. On night 3 I actually did get back up into the standing position which I found to be quite shocking. So far in these 3 classes I have learned the first 6 wrist grabs. I learned 4 the first night and then 2 more last session. Once another white belt woman and I got to flip an advanced student. She'd been at it a few weeks and I was very new to it. We both enjoyed it but for different reasons. She said "to use the technique to its completion made it *click*" for her. She explained that she had been struggling with it before. For me it was just a real rush to see that I could learn these things. Poor Jon, he was a good sport tho' and he flip/falls/rolls incredibly well so he was fine. My friend will never forget that exp. b/c she had been in a class of all newcomers so they were limited in what they could do as partner-work. Dawne ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:35:04 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: what I meant was In a message dated 2/23/99 12:16:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > >I bet you have to be careful with certain kids in how you correct them, huh? > > Actually, because this class is on a month-to-month renewal basis with a > waiting list about 15 people deep, I have the luxury of controlling the > enrollment. If you don't like the way I teach it, I am very sorry... > perhaps you will find a more suitable classroom environment elsewhere... > and believe it or not, most parents think I am not strict enough with > their kids! > > Sincerely, > Steven Gilmore Ok, here's what I meant. With parents who are push-push into activities, especially with young kids there is the feeling they are trying to mold a SuperKid or something. In my exp. these kids put a lot of pressure on themselves to live up to it all. In this respect, do you deal with them differently when they need a technique corrected? Sorry I wasn't clear before, I can't type as fast as I think ;) Dawne ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:39:41 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #108 > So as we say around these > parts..."Don't feel pregnant." > > John Hancock Ok, I'll bite. What does that mean (in your parts)? Having been pregnant twice to me it translates as "it'll be over soon." :0) Dawne ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:51:44 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Geneology In a message dated 2/23/99 1:44:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > Karla Wrote: > > Geneology is the roots our family gave us along with our wings. It is a > difficult task, but it truly is a labor of love. > ___________________________________________________________ > > You must have a very uncommon maiden name, when I did a project for > school that involved tracing my family lineage to my great-grandparents > grandparents, I found that at least half of Great Britain is populated > with Woodburns and that none of us are related, go figure.......... > My German surname is Hailer (as in the town outside of Frankfurt). My mother's family is Irish and British. Try tracking Brown and McLaughlin sometime. *sigh* Is it a wonder that I have my paternal lineage done so quickly? To top it off, my mother's Irish ancestors got chased out of Ireland 9 generations ago and changed their name at least half a dozen times before they got to New Brunswick and a couple of more times as they traveled down the Atlantic coast to Boston. What will be difficult for my kids is tracing their father's roots. We know my ex's grandfather changed his name at Ellis island. As he was going through customs, they asked for his name. The customs official couldn't pronounce it and after a few tries he finally pointed to the man in front of him and said, "The same as his." Needless to say that wasn't so; however, the boys are now stuck with a generic Jewish last name. On top of that, my ex's birth certificate says his mother was born in Italy. Apparently the delivery nurse asked where my former mother in law was born and she Boston. The nurse asked Massachusetts? and she replied (sarcastically) "No, Italy." Apparently the sarcasm was lost. So folks...let that be a lesson of how sarcasm can lead to long term confusion for your heirs. ; ) Tang Soo! Karla ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:12:58 PST Subject: the_dojang: Pros and Cons of Training Camps/Clinics With the increase in popularity of the martial arts there also is an emergence of Training Camps and Clinics. So I just was thinking about the pros and cons of these activities and as always seeking other opinions. If you have an ace student competitor would you recommend sending this student to a training camp/clinic or would you personally prefer to continue and intensify his/her training? If there was a clinic that looked promising would you attend it first to see what it included and then bring the info back to your competitor and then teach them yourself because you know them so well and all their little idiosyncrasies. Would you prefer they went alone? Or would you go as a team? What would be a reasonable price and how far would you travel? Would you rely on word of mouth to go to a clinic or just take a chance? Even if the camp was taught by an awesome well-known athlete that doesn't necessarily mean they can teach well. And do you think a clinic would help your competitor in skills and possibly motivate them or harm them, possibly disturb their timing and their own personal style? I ask this because I remember as a teenager I was a great bowler. Really ace. Then I took lessons. Need I say more? From strikes to gutter ball. :) And it's just the critical thinker in me but if you had a really great competitor would you risk or trust someone else teaching them not knowing what their motives were? Lastly: Would you adovcate a camp for non-competitor students and beginning color belts just when you were beginning to teach them and make progress? Thanks. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ken Brown Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:48:42 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re:KSW class >>For those of you active in HKD/KSW/HRD, would you describe a typical class >>format at your school? Especially for the lower belts. [snip] >Probably doesn't vary much from what other KSW schools do, since the >curriculum is standardized worldwide. Our class goes pretty much the same. Sometimes a little more or less time spent on kicks, or hand techniques. And about once every two weeks or so we do some sparring-light contact only. Ken Brown Chicago, IL ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:56:56 PST Subject: the_dojang: Do You Teach All You Know? A long time ago I had an instructor that openly told us he would never teach all he knew so that he would always be ahead of his students. See to me if you don't share it then it's like passing down a recipe from grandma to mom to daughter and mom can't ever figure out why her's doesn't taste as good as grandma's. Only it was because grandma left out a few ingredients. Do you agree with the comment and philosophy this instructor made? If we leave out what we know are we not diluting the art? Or are we leaving room for the students to find their own way once they are taught the basics and thereby enhancing the art? Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: William Deady Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:17:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: School in Manchester, NH > > From: > Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:14:04 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: searching for a School in NH > > Looking for school in Manchester NH....A few months ago I made a request > for Schools in the NH area for my son. Someone named Bill, (I think) > posted his school in Manchester and invited me to visit. My son lives in > Brookline so he is actually going to a school in Amherst, however, I will > be in Manchester in March, my kid brother wants to start a form of Martial > arts with his daughter and I would love to find your school in Manchester, > visit and possibly get my brother and his daughter involved. He is a > single dad, raising this little doll alone and doing a fabulous job! She's > in Ballet, but looks up to Auntie (that's me) :^) and so they have asked me > if they might take karate toghther father and daughter. Kat's in 1st grade > and a very balanced young woman, My brother takes her kayaking, camping, > hiking, mountain climbing and to ballet.. She wants to give up the ballet > and Karate may be great for the two of them! Anyhow.. I digress.. Bill > are you out there? Where is your school again in Manchester, what is your > focus? (TKD) and what is your phone number? you can e-mail me directly: > dbetts@hns.com > > Delcina > Delcina, I am indeed out here though primarily in lurk mode. The school is traditional TKD (ITF). The website is: http://www.bit-net.com/~mstkd/ Through that site you can get the email address for the school, the phone number and the address. Classes are Tues. and Thur. at 6:30PM, and Sat. at 10AM and run 2 hours. I am there every class now that my ribs are healed (took a hard fall during my test sparring for 7th yellow, landed with elbow sandwiched between floor and ribs, got up continued and passed but paid for it with 6 weeks out). Let Master Higgins know you found out about the school from me. Feel free to visit any time and please introduce yourself. I'm the old fart with the new green stripe. :-) If you need more info please mail me directly at: deady@ll.mit.edu. Bill Deady ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:13:27 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #108 << As I've been reading the threads about kids in the class ironically I also came across an ad for additional insurance for teaching children. The ad said "Prize pupil or threat to your business? What you might see as harmlesss bumps and bruises, others might see as reasons for a lawsuit. As owner of the studio, you'll be the target." Hard to disagree with this statement, for me anyhow. No matter how careful we are little ones can get bruised and injured. Does anyone carry additional coverage for this age group or do you not find it necessary? Has anyone had this happen or have any of you had your good intentions backfire? I know a few posters indicated that the parents wanted the instructors to be even stricter and more demanding of their children. Which of course in theory is nice. I would suspect they count on the instructor being a parent or an enforcer of something they themselves cannot do. But of course my feeling is they would also be the first to scream if something happened to their little ones whether in the school or at a tournament. And I tend to think the parent would get much more upset over a bruise than the child. >> Well... this has been an interesting set of threads.... :) :) :) As an adolescent nearing the legal age (only a little over a year left....), I, of course, can understand that for every action there is an equal, opposite, and sometimes unexpected reaction. For example: I go to a tournament and get my two front teeth kicked out accidentally. For tournaments, that waiver comes in handy, and I suspect has prevented many a parent from trying to manipulate the already-manipulated system in squeezing more money for little Johnny or Jane's mishaps. File the claim and get on with your lives!!!!!!! Different scenario: In class, little Suzie or Schmedlapp gets the living daylights knocked out of him and wakes up asking for the VIN # of the truck that ran him over; a trip to the hospital is made and any sort of injuries are discovered. Parents, again, cry out for justice.... (and here is where I would just love to smack some of them with some common sense and reason.) The martial arts is a contact activity. You can expect to get clocked on the head, smacked in the jaw, kneed in the groin, etc., etc. You have to come to expect that, otherwise, you might get your little feelings hurt cuz you didn't brace yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Okay, now that I have vented... On a serious note, it seriously pisses me off when an angry parent rags on the instructor for something that happened to his/her lil' precious baby. #1: If it's that serious, you should be getting your kid checked out, not trying to accuse the instructor of abuse. #2: You should know that injuries DO happen. #3: If your kid wasn't paying attention, I hate to say it but... "somebody told him/her so." #4: If you don't want that to happen, why is your kid in the class?!?!? I've been used, bruised, abused, etc., etc., but I'm not crying over it now, am I? In fact, most incidents are kinda funny now that I look back. But that's not the point. I learned my lesson the first time to make sure my mistake wouldn't be... uh, ya know. (It's at the end of the school day, my mind is shot and not functioning.) If any injury is serious enough to incur a medical bill and treatment, file the claim and move on. But for all of my (and anyone else's) rantings and ravings, it seems like these days parents are trying to make their kids out to be perfect lil' angels. Of course, I was trying to be one myself when caught red-handed, but shit happens. It is useless to cry over spilt milk. As for instructors being more strict.... WHY ARE PARENTS TRYING TO BECOME THE PEOPLE AT THE HEAD OF THE FORMATION?!?!? Maybe the instructor sees being a lil' more lenient as a better way of dealing with problems. I don't know, but that really gets me going when parents complain to the instructor about the way a class is sometimes conducted. "Why did that teenage schnot over there keep making my little angel do push-ups for half the night?" Probably because your little angel was acting out of line and wouldn't listen the first time! (I've had that asked of me, and believe it or not, it's really sad when someone a couple years younger than you tries to pull the "who, me?" routine with you when you was lookin' dead at them when they were acting out line... excuse the slip into ghetto-speak.) Basically, understand that unless you're teaching the class, inquire about why something was done, shut up, move on, and file claims for medical bills if injuries were incurred. If a child is unwilling to give 100% or more, that's the child. They might feel like they're being pushed to do it. Case scenario in real-life, about 85% of the younger kids taking TKD where I do are there because Mommy and Daddy signed them up and are expecting them to perform. :) This percentage of kids also happens to the group I wish would stop complaining every time I or another older, higher-ranked student steps up the training. You can't put in less than 70% effort and expect to survive.... There are blue belts who have had to do squat for theirs and complain when we gotta do Mr. Push-up. They also have this "OH NO SHE'S ASKING ABOUT STUFF I SHOULD BE RESEARCHING ON MY OWN BUT I'M TOO BUSY BEING LAZY TO DO IT" look on their face when I ask about stuff other than the principles of TKD. Come on... there are 3 Kingdoms of Korea (and a 4th one that was affiliated more with Japan at the time) and you CAN list them in the order they were created... if you studied. Okay, so I might have drifted a bit, but if Mommy and Daddy are going to have the cahones to ask their kids' instructor to be more strict, they have to be more understanding and more supportive of things other than kicking, punching, blocking, and throwing and be ready to handle stress when their precious gets hit. Kim Jones addidastkd@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:18:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #109 ******************************** Attention USA WTFers! Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, California Taekwondo Standard disclaimers apply.