From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #110 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 24 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 110 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #108 the_dojang: Silat tapes (fwd) the_dojang: roundhouse/turning kicks even higher the_dojang: Re: what I meant was the_dojang: Re: KSW Class the_dojang: Re: belt fade the_dojang: Re: Geneology the_dojang: Re: Feeling Pregnant the_dojang: Re: Pros and Cons of Training Camps/Clinics the_dojang: Re: Do You Teach All You Know? the_dojang: Re: Do you teach all you know?/Jamaica the_dojang: Reach All You Know the_dojang: Re: BB mag the_dojang: Re: HKD Siderolls & Sparring the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #109 the_dojang: Great Posts, Kim! the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:55:14 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #108 In a message dated 99-02-23 13:45:25 EST, you write: << > Tsugi - a kick followed by several handstrikes Alain, Can you expand on this a bit??? Not exactly sure what you mean. Is this a kick/strike the air warmup-type exercise? Ray Terry >> Yes, basically it is a warm up drill. Number 1 is a front kick midsection level followed by a hammerfist to solar plexus (SP) with right, straight punch to SP with left, striaght punch to SP with right. 2. Roundhouse followed by hammer fist, striaght punch, ridgehand to temple. 3. side kick followed by hammer fist, straight punch, but instead of pulling right hand back to hip, it is pulled high so the third strike is an upset punch to the ribs. 4. Cresent kick followed by same hand strikes as 3. 5 front kick high followed by hammer fist, striaght punch, and then a palm heel strike to the head. We would do 5 -10 of these, then switch to a right foot forward stance and practice the kicks with the other leg, but we would only do the hand strikes from the one side. 6-10 are basically the same but instead of starting with the hammer fist to the SP, the first strike is a knife hand to the neck. 11-15 are then a bit different, involving 5 strikes rather than 3. Hope this makes it clearer. Much easier to show someone than to write it out. Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:26:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Silat tapes (fwd) Just an fyi, for those that might be interested in exploring other arts out there (this came from Todd Ellner on the Eskrima list). Silat is VERY different from most KMAs. Ray - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forwarded message: To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: eskrima: Re: Silat tapes > I would like to have coments on all of the silat instructional >videos out there: which ones are best,for what reason,etc. Perhaps rating >them on a scale of 1 to 10 would be helpful. >Also how much can you learn from a video? I've seen a number of Silat tapes. Unfortunately, most of them were hand-shot in people's backyards. Of the commercially available ones that I've looked at.... o Rick Tucci: Good general Bukti Negara tapes. A little weak on principle and long on technique. o Rudy Ter Linden: I just saw bits of his PS Ratu Adil tapes. From what I saw they were good, solid instructional material from a well-respected master of the art. o Bob Orlando: (from Paladin Press) Good basic tapes on Willem de Thoaur's Kun Tao - Silat. Bob definitely is a credit to his teacher. o Steve Plinck: Bukti Negara curriculum but with Sera understanding. Long on principle, shorter on specific technique. I have to recuse myself on the quality being somewhat prejudiced :-) (also from Paladin Press) It is very difficult to learn Silat, grappling, or any other sensitivity-based close-in system from tapes. You can pick up ideas, form, and some individual techniques from the tape, but you really need an instructor who knows how it feels to get it right. ------------------------------ From: "Sara" Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:03:16 PST Subject: the_dojang: roundhouse/turning kicks even higher >>Hi gang, About 1/2 of the time I do this kick I have a problem keeping my knee ABOVE the height of my hips to get the right execution of the technique and the right power behind it (power generated with/by hips as opposed to just the leg). Can anyone help with any suggestions .... any at all ? :-) James Clark ____________________________________________ One thing I have learned is to turn my plant foot AWAY from my target just a little more (kinda like for a side kick) and that will give the leg a little more height. Also my instructor says "imagine there is a chair you are kicking over"--it works for me! And for power, if you are doing the turning kick in the air (snapping it) I believe you are just using your leg, but if you are kicking for breaking or on a heavy pad, concentrate on kicking through the target. Make the target deeper in your sight than it actually is (does that make sense?). Then don't try to recover your stance after kicking--just kick through and step down past the target. Those are suggestion I got from a couple instructors for exactly the same problem, and they are helping. I hope it helps you! one_sara@hotmail.com "The Lord is my light and my salvation. Whom shall I fear?" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Steven Gilmore Date: Tue, 23 Feb 99 21:29:47 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: what I meant was >Ok, here's what I meant. With parents who are push-push into activities, >especially with young kids there is the feeling they are trying to mold a >SuperKid or something. In my exp. these kids put a lot of pressure on >themselves to live up to it all. In this respect, do you deal with them >differently when they need a technique corrected? Sorry I wasn't clear >before, I can't type as fast as I think ;) >Dawne Oh, I see! One of the most painful aspects to teaching this class (and significant source of misgivings) is the parents. The children are usually pretty great no matter what, but mom and dad could sometimes use a real spanking! The parents sit in the stands (its required that parents stay onsite the entire class rather than dump the kid and run) and make faces or pound fists or whatever because Jr. didn't quite do what they should have done. I just want to say, for chrissake, s/he's 4 years old -- back off! I have a very bad memory of a mom slapping her kid in the parking lot because he basically goofed off for most of the class. I couldn't believe it; I was unhappy with his performance but I viewed it as an abberation, not a crime. That's why I shift frequently between stern and nice in the class, and why I really emphasize that we never make fun of someone else's mistakes, because the next mistake could be ours... I want the kids to feel good, but I also want mom/dad to see a different style of dealing with the kid, in action. As for actually correcting a kid, I rarely correct technical flaws. I only deal with behavior issues, and then, usually only gross violations. Less stress on the kid, less stress on me that way. Sincerely, Steven Gilmore San Antonio, TX ------------------------------ From: Steven Gilmore Date: Tue, 23 Feb 99 21:29:49 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: KSW Class >>Probably doesn't vary much from what other KSW schools do, since the >>curriculum is standardized worldwide. > >Our class goes pretty much the same. Sometimes a little more or less time >spent on kicks, or hand techniques. And about once every two weeks or so >we do some sparring-light contact only. At my school, I have segregated (under black belt) sparring into an optional Friday night class. We generally work on specific drills and then do one-on-one matches afterward. The matches are light contact, continuous (we don't stop to call points), usually 5 minutes or so before one partner sits down and is replaced by a fresh partner. We use foot, hand and head gear. Basically TKD-like: no sweeps, throws, joint-locks, pressure-points, etc.; just kicking and hand striking. At post-black-belt level, I allow higher-level sparring -- light contact, no pads, on the mats, using more of the full spectrum of KSW techniques, basically everything. This is in black belt-only class. My understanding is that sparring is not generally taught in a lot of KSW schools, largely because of liability problems. I am very, very strict in enforcing sparring rules (and also just lucky) in that I have not had more than bruises to contend with. Sincerely, Steven Gilmore San Antonio, TX ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:21:39 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: belt fade In a message dated 2/23/99 12:45:21 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Arrrrrggggghhhhhhh .... what are you trying to do to me, Melinda? I've been trying for years to get my belt to get that nice fade to it and now you tell me how to stop it?!! :-)))) >> lol, perry, um...ok...try that acid wash they do with jeans ;) melinda chunjido@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 01:34:42 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Geneology Karla Wrote: << Apparently the delivery nurse asked where my former mother in law was born and she Boston. The nurse asked Massachusetts? and she replied (sarcastically) "No, Italy." Apparently the sarcasm was lost. >> LOL!!! Ya gotta love it... only in America! What'll be interesting is the gg-grandchildren searching for Boston, Italy, on a map. Sally CBAUGHN@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 01:34:26 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Feeling Pregnant In a message dated 99-02-23 19:16:15 EST, you write: John Hancock wrote: << So as we say around these parts..."Don't feel pregnant." >> Dawne wrote: << Ok, I'll bite. What does that mean (in your parts)? Having been pregnant twice to me it translates as "it'll be over soon." :0) Dawne >> When I was growing up in Virginia, it was a short form for "Don't feel like pregnant Charlie...all alone." Sally CBAUGHN@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 01:34:44 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Pros and Cons of Training Camps/Clinics Jamaica wrote: << If you have an ace student competitor would you recommend sending this student to a training camp/clinic or would you personally prefer to continue and intensify his/her training? >> My son's instructor has brought in both Herb Perez and Juan Moreno to hold Olympic-style sparring seminars and training in Dayton, OH. I suspect if he could find time and money, he'd arrange for local training by anyone who's been consistent and proved himself/herself in national competition. I could be wrong, because we've really not discussed the matter; but I believe he's secure in the knowledge that he's a good instructor and needs have no fear about sharing the limelight with stars from outside the dojang. (And after all, most of us can appreciate a little starlight). Sally CBAUGHN@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Peter Schulenberg" Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:17:03 -0000 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Do You Teach All You Know? From: "Jamaica Power" A long time ago I had an instructor that openly told us he would never teach all he knew so that he would always be ahead of his students. See to me if you don't share it then it's like passing down a recipe from grandma to mom to daughter and mom can't ever figure out why her's doesn't taste as good as grandma's. Only it was because grandma left out a few ingredients. Do you agree with the comment and philosophy this instructor made? If we leave out what we know are we not diluting the art? Or are we leaving room for the students to find their own way once they are taught the basics and thereby enhancing the art? Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com No, I don't agree and yes, I think we are diluting the art, because do we instructors know everything? Isn't there a thing we can be taught? I don't think so. I teach my students everything I know and learn. Besides that, if they are (like me) interested in more about their MA or other MA's, they are looking for their own way. Combinations I like in sparring may not "work" for others. I even think that I would be looking for another instructor if my instructor had the above philosophy. Peter Schulenberg ------------------------------ From: "Lasich, Mark D." Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:24:39 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Do you teach all you know?/Jamaica Jamaica, I FIRMLY disagree with holding back on teaching all you know in order to stay ahead of the students. In my opinion, this is very self centered and not in the spirit of the martial arts. If you are the best YOU can be, of what matter is it that someone else can be better! If that trend continues in that organization, at some point in the future the students would not learn anything, as all instructors will be withholding all information of the art! I don't think a student could ever be comfortable learning from an instructor who openly admits that they want to remain a notch above their students. This ego trip must be rooted in a belief that they are (or want to seem) better than their students. That said, I DO believe in teaching to the student's level, or slightly more advanced. This would, then, be withholding information until it is "appropriate" for that particular rank/student is ready for it! For example, in the ATA, color belts develop power in their techniques through the use of counter-action on their technique, e.g. chamber the left hand in front and pull it back as the right hand punches. This is an external development of power. Black Belts are taught to use single-arm action. In this case, the left hand would remain at your side, or in a guard position, while the right hand executes the technique. This is an internal use of power, which is derived from the hips. Each is appropriate for the ranks they are taught! I think it is far more important for the instructor to introduce techniques in a manner that they challenge the students to learn and grow in the art. At the end of the day, an instructor with a student who is "better" should be pleased with that accomplishment! Don't many parents take pride in their children succeeding where they may not have? As such, and instructor should strive to help the students become better. Through dedication and practice an instructor CAN be better, but to teach to ensure that you ARE better is completely WRONG! Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggggg! I better stop now before my $0.02 becomes $2,000! I will yield my soap box to another who may share my views ;-) In the SPIRIT of TKD... Mark.Lasich@alcoa.com I asked for everything so I could enjoy life. Instead, HE gave me life so I could enjoy everything! ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:09:43 EST Subject: the_dojang: Reach All You Know In a message dated 99-02-23 19:16:03 EST, you write: << A long time ago I had an instructor that openly told us he would never teach all he knew so that he would always be ahead of his students. >> This is a very misguided philosophy. If each generation of instructors withholds some of what they know, eventually there will be nothing but white belts. I think instructors have to set a goal that their students will be better than them. That's the only way the art can grow. Dave visit www.aautaekwondo.org for information on AAU Taekwondo ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 06:46:43 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: BB mag Master Hancock wrote: <> Got my issue yesterday, and quickly perused your article after teaching class- good job. BTW, the check from Rainbow Publ. is in the mail. :)))) Take Care, Peter M. ------------------------------ From: "Dylan Walsh" Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:47:06 -0000 Subject: the_dojang: Re: HKD Siderolls & Sparring >From: >Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:29:03 EST >Subject: the_dojang: Re: low rank HKD >Well I qualify as a low belt in HKD so here it goes. Classes for me (all 3 of >them) so far have been wrist grabs and those darn siderolls. In fact, class >#2 we did 40 min. of siderolls. What are these siderolls? Are they side breakfalls, or a kind of cartwheel? I'm doing Aikido, we roll forwards, or backwards, but if it is on the side, we slap the mat to do a breakfall. >From: Ken Brown >Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:48:42 -0600 >Subject: the_dojang: Re:KSW class >Our class goes pretty much the same. Sometimes a little more or less time >spent on kicks, or hand techniques. And about once every two weeks or so >we do some sparring-light contact only. I'm curious about the sparring rules. Is it like ITF rules (i.e. punches & kicks to torso or head) or do you allow legs sweeps, throws, or joint locks? ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:30:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #109 I _hope_ that he meant that he would never teach his students all that he knew because he intended to continue to learn. Otherwise, this is IMHO a pretty shoddy attitude (you may substitute for the vowel and double consonant in "shoddy" if you wish;>) >A long time ago I had an instructor that openly told us he would never >teach all he knew so that he would always be ahead of his students. Tang Soo! Scott A. Miller samiller@bix.com samiller@cyberenet.net ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 06:58:10 PST Subject: the_dojang: Great Posts, Kim! This percentage of kids also happens to the group I wish would stop complaining every time I or another older, higher-ranked student steps up the training. You can't put in less than 70% effort and expect to survive.... There are blue belts who have had to do squat for theirs and complain when we gotta do Mr. Push-up. They also have this "OH NO SHE'S ASKING ABOUT STUFF I SHOULD BE RESEARCHING ON MY OWN BUT I'M TOO BUSY BEING LAZY TO DO IT" look on their face when I ask about stuff other than the principles of TKD. Kim Jones _______________________________________ I do appreciate and enjoy your posts, Kim. You are tenacious, energetic, committed to the martial arts, and a positive challenge to other martial artists in your school and on this forum. Your posts have an incredible depth and passion about them. So, in other words, thanks for sharing. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:35:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #110 ******************************** Attention USA WTFers! Support the USTU by joining today! 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