From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #112 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thurs, 25 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 112 In this issue: the_dojang: eastern/western teaching Re: the_dojang: eastern/western teaching the_dojang: U.F.C. the_dojang: my instructor is great! the_dojang: UFC the_dojang: socrates and the martial arts the_dojang: Re: Kids classes and music the_dojang: Funny story the_dojang: Silat tapes the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Judi Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:44:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: eastern/western teaching - --snipped -- I found the things I discovered by 'doing it' rather than 'discussing or debating it' were more both more beautiful and more meaningful. It also suits my authoritarian style of running class. Any thoughts on this topic? Steven E Silz - - Steven - I do agree with you 97% of the time. Though sometimes the independence afforded to a student leads to confusion rather than a path of learning. This can be counter productive. In a western Socratic society, one is trained to think a certain way as is one who is raised in the Eastern culture. My master is Korean and only "westernized" for two years. His philosophy is very much like your approach to teaching. Overall, I think Amercians have difficulty accepting without question. This is usually a good thing. In the dojang, though, things must work differently than outside the dojang. This is one of the beauties of the art itself. IMHO, Judi ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:07:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: eastern/western teaching > I found the things I discovered by 'doing it' rather than 'discussing or > debating it' were more both more beautiful and more meaningful. It also > suits > my authoritarian style of running class. > Any thoughts on this topic? > Steven E Silz I had a Korean instructor back in Illinois that was great... (not to imply that my other instructors, Korean or not, were also not great) It was common for him to once the class had been working on a technique(s) for long enough to work up a good lather, make everyone sit down and then he'd talk about why were doing things a certain way. What were other ways to do it? What were the pros & cons of the various ways? He would often not provide an answer, but use the socratic method to (hopefully) let you come to the proper conclusion (that we had been doing the technique in an effective way). Then just before you had cooled off, he'd get you back up again to continue to work the technique. I loved it. Many/Most others did, too. Of course he went on to complete a Ph.D. in Psychology. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Christian Fortin" Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:48:23 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: U.F.C. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BE5F6D.DAFDE960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What do Kuk Sool or Hapkido practitioners think of U.F.C. or similar = events?=20 Chris - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BE5F6D.DAFDE960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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- ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BE5F6D.DAFDE960-- ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:32:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: my instructor is great! He doesn't ever worry about people being better than him, although noone is, he just confidently teaches techniques in a kind but purposeful way. his name in Peter Desorda, by the way, at Desorda's martial arts in Stowe, Vermont. I like this page. d. Ahearn. ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:18:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: UFC Please do not send html to the list, only 'plain text'. Thanks. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Jana Lise" Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:55:23 PST Subject: the_dojang: socrates and the martial arts "Over the last decade during which I have taught daily, I have found that my students, quite naturally, are accustomed to the Socratic tradition, and seem to expect it in the dojang...challenge them to 'learn by doing,' as this was the tradition I was raised in takwondo under. I found the things I discovered by 'doing it' rather than 'discussing or debating it' were more both more beautiful and more meaningful." Being only a lowly 1st Dan in TSD :), I don't know much on the instructor end of it. But I do know that, for me, a mixture of doing and discussing worked out. I'm the kind of person that, even though told something, I have to go find out for myself (I must've drove my mother nuts when I was little...heck, I must drive her nuts now. :). Not that I disregard and disrespect authority, it's just that some things you have to find out yourself, and only then can they mean something to YOU, personally. They won't have that distant quality if told to you by another person, who might have the same circumstance (or whatever) but gain something different from it. But some things need to be taken to an instructor, or shared with him/her. By having your idea, technique, etc. ...ahh...perfected (for lack of a better word) by the master's wisdom, experience, etc. you gain in your art. Hope I made some sense...most of what I say this late at night is uncomprehendable. :) Tang Soo, Jana ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Steven Gilmore Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:01:17 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Kids classes and music >Just a question. During kids warmup sessions or workout sessions do you >ever play music? > >If you do, does it work or is it distracting. Does it help with focus >and timing or take away from it? I have never played music. I am disinclined to do so because I think it would be distracting; sometimes I have to repeat -- loudly -- my instructions 4 times before everyone follows along, I can't imagine what it would be like if I had to compete with music. Sincerely, Steven Gilmore San Antonio, TX, USA ------------------------------ From: "Perry Seto" Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:38:23 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Funny story I posted this story on another forum. Thought you all might enjoy it. Thanks for making me think of it, Glenn. :-)) - -Perry- pseto@aptl.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------- Glenn, Your mentioning the 1978 Nationals in Washington, D.C. brings back a story that illustrates what a different "country" we can be here in California. I went back to Washington with three other team members from Cal. Everybody gathered the night before the tournament proper for weigh-ins. That's when things got interesting. First of all, the "official" scale was a bathroom scale that was "somewhat" out of calibration - I almost made fin weight because of that scale (I was a fly weight) :-))) The Masters came in to the room gave us their little "spiel" then announced that "all weigh ins must be in the nude". In the nude .... no problem .... except .... there was a lady at the "head table" typing up all of the application info (I think). She looked "older" maybe mid-thirties (at least that was "older" to a twenty year old ... me). Soooo ..... guess whose name was called first ..... mine of course, followed by my Cal teammates, Kim Royce was one, then the rest of the California contingency - I think Ernie Reyes was one of the guys there. No problem though, being liberals/hippies from California, we were all naked in about two seconds flat - guess we all figured it wasn't anything she hadn't been exposed to before. :-))) We Californians just all stood around butt-naked in line until they got their act together and got us weighed-in. Then we leisurely put our clothes back on and sat back down. The rest of the "country", however, was a totally different story. Most of the guys would go up to the scale, strip down REAL quick, jump on the scale, jump off of the scale, and "jump" back into their clothes. :-))))) Funny thing is .... the lady NEVER looked up. She just kept on typing and typing and typing. Guess it REALLY wasn't anything she hadn't seen before. :-))) Ahhhh ... Californians ... what a different attitude ... what a different country. lol :-)))) - -Perry- pseto@aptl.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 00:56:15 EST Subject: the_dojang: Silat tapes In a message dated 99-02-24 10:33:03 EST, you write: << o Bob Orlando: (from Paladin Press) Good basic tapes on Willem de Thoaur's Kun Tao - Silat. Bob definitely is a credit to his teacher. o Steve Plinck: Bukti Negara curriculum but with Sera understanding. Long on principle, shorter on specific technique. I have to recuse myself on the quality being somewhat prejudiced :-) (also from Paladin Press) >> I have both of these tapes. Bob is a good friend of a good friend of mine, Marc MacYoung. Steve is a teacher of one of Marc's best friends - Richard Dobson. Both Bob Orlando and Steve Plinck have a wealth of knowledge to share. Silat is much different than the Hapkido and arts I've studied. I got interested by messing around with Marc with it, and watching these tapes. Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 05:42:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #112 ******************************** Attention USA WTFers! Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. 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