From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #118 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 26 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 118 In this issue: the_dojang: Betcha can't do THIS! the_dojang: RE: Secrets? the_dojang: US TKD Coach Han Lee Re: the_dojang: Betcha can't do THIS! the_dojang: Re: Demotions, promotions, etc. the_dojang: We Wear Many Hats? Good or Bad? the_dojang: MA and food the_dojang: Wok-ing my dog! the_dojang: BELTS the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #117 the_dojang: wimpy partners the_dojang: Re:PS, Joan, re: wimpy the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stan Lim Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:36:13 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Betcha can't do THIS! Mr. Terry, You should take a look at this first before posting to the Digest. Don't know if it might offend someone. - ------------------------------------------------------- I hope this won't be on my BB test :-) http://www.employees.org/~slim/Viagra1.avi Stan Lim slim@employees.org ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:35:27 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Secrets? Regarding secrets: At the wedding reception for 2 of our BBs, I was at a table with another BB and his wife, a 2nd Guppie like me at the time. He remarked that he wasn't sure about his wife getting her BB, since she would then get to learn the "secrets" that are taught in BB class, like the "death stare". A companion wryly remarked, "Don't look now, Michael, but I think she already knows it." ;-) Kerry kerry.atchinson@wichita.boeing.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:41:14 EST Subject: the_dojang: US TKD Coach Han Lee Have you ordered your video from the Coach yet? If not, order online at hppt://www.coachhanlee.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:03:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Betcha can't do THIS! > You should take a look at this first before posting > to the Digest. Don't know if it might offend someone. HiHi... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ernest Hart Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:12:35 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Demotions, promotions, etc. Demotions: Done it, and have no qualms about doing it again. As Mr. Silz pointed out, rank is the instructor's preogative. If the student comes in with rank from Taekwondo or another style, I will evaluate them. They then get whatever rank I feel that they merit in Taekwondo. I've had brown belts in Karate (2nd Kyu) transfer almost straight across (3rd Gup Blue). I've also seen people come in claiming Dan rank in various styles, with less than Dan level skills. I ask to see the paper, and if they don't have it, they go where I think they merit. I've also demoted students, when the alternative was to boot them out, due to a serious infraction. I've also booted people. Or "asked them to leave". :) Promotions: I will skip rank at the Gup level if a student merits it. It's rare, maybe 1 student every year or so will skip, but it happens. I'll also hold them at red belt for a very long time if I don't think that they're ready for black belt. Here's one for you: Have you ever had someone offer you rank in another style based on their appraisal of your technique? Say a 1-2 Dan in TKD being offered Dan rank in a Karate style. I'm not talking about a friend offering the rank. Keeping Jamaica from asking ALL of the questions. E. Hart Burlington, VT ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:27:50 PST Subject: the_dojang: We Wear Many Hats? Good or Bad? We all wear many hats, for sure, but is this always good? I'm thinking at tournaments more or less but I guess anywhere actually. I used to compete. But I got very frustrated as a competitor because I knew I could do better but couldn't find anyone to help me upscale my training. I don't mind being beaten as long as I can walk out and know that I did my best. So I focused on being a ref and a coach, mostly ref. While I know it is sometimes necessary - the problem I see wearing many hats at tournaments is that it can actually make things worse for everyone involved. I know some blackbelts that will ref, compete, and coach all at the same tournament. Sometimes they will be in one ring as a ref and then one of their students is up so they try to exit out in the middle of a match and go to another ring to coach. Another thing I witnessed is higher level refs at larger tournaments. They were ref'ing all day. Then they coached. Took time out, no problem until the match started. Now you would think a ref would be more compassionate and understanding as a coach. Not so in this case. The refs in their coaching role got very beligerent and in the face of the center ref "because they wouldn't tolerate the center ref's call because they saw it too and they were a higher ref and they knew." A fight almost started. It was terrible. And then some refs/coaches will be right in the middle of something and they hear their call to compete and so they exit and try to do that too as you see them bounding across the tournament floor. I've seen some refs where when uniforms were required, try to get out of it so that they would be prepared to coach or compete and then they wouldn't have to change their clothes. I've done it myself but it got the best of me so I promised myself to limit what I did and focus on that one area which worked for me. Other Thoughts? If it works for you, please share. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jana Lise" Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:43:18 PST Subject: the_dojang: MA and food >If I were in a school and wanted to increase my enrollment - before >I would add a fancy gym, a cardio class, etc I would offer (at the >same time as the m.a. class), an Oriental Cooking class. Hey, sure, why not? If mr. Nice Guy (Bruce Lee) did it... :) Jana ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: John Hancock <4karate@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:03:13 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Wok-ing my dog! HEy!! I just want to thank all of you who have chimed in on this cooking thread. You have given me a great idea. I CAN cook Chinese and Korean food. I love to do it. So when I ever get my dojang open again....I'm going to offer the occasional Saturday class on cooking Chinese and Korean dishes. Thanks! This is a really good idea to bring in extra cash to the school and get more people in the doors. Man....what a GREAT idea. Damn! Wish I had thought of that first. :-) John Hancock ------------------------------ From: John Hancock <4karate@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:09:27 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: BELTS From: Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:27:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Demotions Yep, I've been demoted. Received a gym black belt in Tang Soo Do, moved towns, started Taekwondo, started over at white belt. Then I received a gym black belt in Taekwondo, moved towns, started at a different Taekwondo school, started at 1st gup. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Ray....been there....done that. Actually...here's some interesting infor for you. I had a black belt when I went to Korea...but became a white belt when I started in TSD. Later, when I was already a 3rd dan...I passed up joining a couple of TSD organization...as they wanted to reduce me back to chodan and make me retest and repay for rank back to my current rank. Even later...I was admitted to Pan-Am TSD fed and my 4th Dan rank was recognized immediately. Even later...I attended classes at a TKD school in Louisville run by Master Lee. I really like him..he is a really nice gentleman. He tried to get me to wear a black belt to class because I was already a 4th Dan. I politely declined, even refused at his insistence, and told him I should only wear a white belt as it would be disrespectful to him. Well...as you can imagine...that made a big impression upon Master Lee. I have stopped by to see him a few times when I was back in that area...even though I no longer train there. I hope to see him again someday at a tournament or something. John Hancock ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:42:48 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #117 In a message dated 2/26/99 1:24:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Subject: the_dojang: Authoritarian Style - What Is It? >> An "Authoritarian Style" is one in which a sole authority (the teacher) presents the materiel to be studied, and guides the student through to the proper practice and ultimately, proper execution or implementation of said materiel. I suspect this is pretty typical of the classical Korean (and perhaps all east-Asian)dojang. I would contrast this with what I would call a "forum style," of instruction which I have seen employed in several university martial arts clubs. Here various people presented and exchanged concepts and techniques in the absence of a single authority. There is also a system I have observed (usually in very wealthy communities) in which the pupil is treated more like a customer, where the pupil requests the instructor to teach them something specific; something he or she is interested in learning that particular day. For lack of a better term, I'll call this the "Consumeristic Style." Sincerely, SESilz ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:38:52 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: wimpy partners Joan wrote: >My instructor often pairs me for escapes and self-defense with a teen >aged girl. She's nearly my size and she's less than half my age. It >sounds like it should be a challenging pairing for me, but she's >wondrously wimpy with these kind of techniques, and although I think the >instructor has noticed it, he doesn't change the pairing. Joan, I have sometimes had this experience, though not lately. It seems like my instructor seems to try to keep women paired together most of the time too, which I do not like but it is not for me to rearrange what he does. A couple of suggestions that might get you more of the training you are wanting: 1) encourage the wimpy girl to step up and really do the techniques and resist 2) ask other of your fellow students to practice with you after or before your class Both of these can go a long way. Of course #1 depends on her being willing to do it, but I think you will find lots of people are willing to practice with you extra, it benefits them too. There comes a point where we have to go out and seek for ourselves, not to sound too lofty about it but it's true. Also, it's good to train with a lot of different people or you get in a rut. If you are used to sparring with the same 3 people every time for years, I think you and they will be narrowing down your range of techniques just because you know each other. Good luck! Sandy - -- tokay@netwurx.net ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:49:02 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re:PS, Joan, re: wimpy After reading other posts, I realize I may have mis stated something. I was mixing talking about sparring and self-defense/hapkido/etc. In our school, we line up and rotate for sparring, but are often assigned partners for self defence. Sometime they say "find someone your own size" but if there is a large class with large age/height range we are assigned. There are also no doubt really good reasons why instructors do these things, and perhaps it is up to us to ask :) - -- tokay@netwurx.net ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:27:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #118 ******************************** Attention USA WTFers! Support the USTU by joining today! 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