From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #125 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 2 March 1999 Vol 06 : Num 125 In this issue: the_dojang: Hello from CO the_dojang: Re: ha! have you lost count John? the_dojang: Re: hmmm the_dojang: Re: response the_dojang: Re: quickie HKD rank the_dojang: 10 Steps Forward, 20 Backward the_dojang: Wearing Many hats/Jamaica the_dojang: Pivotal Points in Martial Arts the_dojang: RE: Surprise the_dojang: knives? Re: the_dojang: knives? the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:07:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Hello from CO Hello from Colorado... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:07:11 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: ha! have you lost count John? > << I don't insist upon being called "Master > Hancock" or "Grand Poohbah Hancock" or even "His Celestial Omnipetence" > (unless of course > I'm in bed with a woman ....how many of you got the joke > there). >> [snip..] okay, I got a good laugh outta that one. A quick ques. though - have you lost count? hee hee Dawne ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:11:38 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: hmmm > That is probably true, however, rank is typically defined as Dan rank. > The Kukkiwon doesn't monitor/control/care-about gup rank. > > Ray Terry hmmm, that's not how it was presented to me some eons back. Thank you for the info. I had wondered how they could possibly keep track anyway. Dawne ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:20:31 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: response > .Hmmmmm, I can honestly say I am more on the being startled end, than the defensive end! > > Thoughts? > > Mark.Lasich@alcoa.com Well, I always turn or jump into a fighting stance. Curious, I always thought it was a LACK of training [being just a guppie] or I'm just too paranoid. I wonder though if it could really be a gender issue? I know I lack upper body strength and I'm relatively short - that's why I started TKD and have since added HKD. Maybe because I'm a woman I feel the need to *be more ready*. Any thoughts people? Jamaica I'd like to hear you on this. Dawne ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:30:35 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: quickie HKD rank > I stopped by a neighborhood TKD school this weekend, just to inquire about > their classes (schedules, prices, etc.). Over the course of the > discussion, I asked if they included any HKD instruction in their TKD > training (as so many places do these days). > > Their response was that after a student reached 1st dan in TKD, then that > student would be eligible to participate in a series of HKD seminars they > offered (IIRC a total of ten seminars, each 4-5 hours long); at the > successful conclusion of which, said student would then be awarded 1st dan > ranking in HKD. > > Does this seem right to you? Is it commonly done? Reed, This seems incredibly NOT right to me. I'm surprised to hear that you encountered such a situation. For me, little orange belt that I am, my GM strongly encouraged me to keep up with TKD. Why? Because it gives flexiblity, muscle tone, stamina etc.., In his opinion it has a lot to offer. He described how HKD and TKD have different purposes etc.., So I've continued with TKD and am enjoying it again b/c I am no longer frustrated to be in an art and still feel street-defenseless. I take it for what it is. Now the HKD on the other hand is HARD and sometimes painful. I simply cannot imagine @50 hours of practice to give ANYONE competency. In our old school our master wanted HKD in the curriculum. He is a legitimate 1st dan HKD so he got HIS grand master to come and teach it once a week for those who wanted it as a supplement. To me that is the HONORABLE thing to do. In my school now since our GM is highly ranked in TKD and HKD we get both if we want it and TKD has some cool self-defense techniques at the end of each class. I'm learning so much I should take some notation or something so that I can remember it all :0) hope that helped. Dawne ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 09:11:23 PST Subject: the_dojang: 10 Steps Forward, 20 Backward >>>Or perhaps you become quite ill and take a leave but seeing as it's confidental you choose not to tell others so they make up their own stories which label you within your organization.>>> I snipped this from my "Shunned" post to take it a bit further. Say you've come back to the martial arts after a long illness (maybe even terminal illness) and your performance level is weak and along with this you start at another school (same style). Would you wear your black belt or would you wear a white belt because you feel you no longer perform at your best or even close to what you once did. You're just not the same person mentally or physically or would you wear your black belt in pride? After you've come back from an injury or maybe just an acute type illness what did it feel like. Were you frustrated at your limitations? If you have something like bursitis/arthritis what do you do to overcome your obstacles. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 11:02:34 PST Subject: the_dojang: Wearing Many hats/Jamaica The Center Judge has COMPLETE control over the ring and needs to be aware of and properly respond to things that are not right (personally, I have had students not in proper uniform {which includes wearing a cup for the guys -> sorry, can't compete!}, Corner Judges not paying attention {are you ready? or would you prefer someone else takes your spot?}, a Mother Corner judging her son {if you can not be impartial, find yourself a replacement}, and a 5th degree coaching his student!). Notice, I didn't have a solution to the 5th degree! Someone who *should* know better also knows the privilege (or abuse of power) that comes withrank. Thanks.Mark.Lasich ______________________________________________ Geez...most important and excellent points. Thanks. The center judge needs to have that presence, that extra knowing and has to be able to detect those subtle nuances inside and outside the ring. Can't have blinders on if your a center judge. So important. I think their presence also dictates the honor of how the match will be run. I really, really like your last sentence about the 5th degree. I could have used that knowledge a few times :) But it is a point well taken now and a really interesting comment. Thanks for sharing. That's one of those I call a "keeper" and goes into my file box for future thought and reflection. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 11:54:28 PST Subject: the_dojang: Pivotal Points in Martial Arts Was there a pivotal point in your martial arts career? Something that made an outstanding impact on you that pushed you forward and you absolutely knew this is what you wanted to do? Or perhaps something that determined whether or not you would continue your training; when you committed not only to finding your own truth but achieving the status of black belt. Perhaps your pivotal point was an inspiring person. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Greg Giddins Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:26:25 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Surprise I have a funny one... I will try and keep it brief, but I do so love to tell this story in detail. I was at a grocery store check out line, buying toothpaste and bandaids ( I think I was a 6th Geup) . There was short stocky guy in front of me, 2 people in front of him. The short guy's "buddy" sneaks up behind me, reaches over my shoulder, pushes the short guy into the person in front of him, then ducks into the next line. Needless to say, the guy in front of me whirls around in a near fit of rage and looks me straight in the eye and drops in to a fighting stance, ready to kick me in the head. So what do I do? What any self respecting (fearing for his life) greenbelt would do. Loose the toothpaste and drop into a stance of my own, ready for combat. So there we were, 2 guys at a King Soopers, squaring off with eachother in the check out line. I've never been so scared in my life. A fraction of a second later his "buddy" jumps in between us (looking a little scared himself) screaming "hey, hey, it was me! Just a joke!" WHEW! The short guy and I make eye contact, give eachother a little nervous smile, pick up our groceries and try and look composed. The last thing I expected to see in a grocery store was a guy in a stance, squaring off with me, and the last thing he expected me to do about it was drop in to a stance of my own. Good thing his "pal" had the sense to break it up... could you just see the groceries flying?!!!! Greg Giddins ggiddins@ossinc.net ------------------------------ From: Tom Marker Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:45:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: knives? hey everyone.. in the past, i've noticed a pretty high corelation to knife owners and martial artists, so I thought I'd ask the group... how many of you carry one (or more!) knives on your person at a time? To start the discussion, I normally carry my benchmade ascent folder, and a cold steel mini pal (like a 1" long push dagger, think of it as a really nasty claw:) ) around my neck. For those of you in the states, do you also have a CCW permit? cheers.. tom ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:22:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: knives? > in the past, i've noticed a pretty high corelation to knife owners and > martial artists, so I thought I'd ask the group... > > how many of you carry one (or more!) knives on your person at a time? I carry a Kasper folder, made by Pat Crawford. Excellent piece. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:32:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #125 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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