From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #126 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 2 March 1999 Vol 06 : Num 126 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #125 the_dojang: RE: Concealed weapons the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #125 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #125 Re: the_dojang: RE: Concealed weapons the_dojang: Story Time.. the_dojang: Being a BB after time off! the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #125 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest-HKD-1STDAN the_dojang: Shunned the_dojang: Carrying a knife the_dojang: Responding to Situations/Dawne the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! 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Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hancock <4karate@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 15:47:32 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #125 > From: > Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:07:11 EST > Subject: the_dojang: Re: ha! have you lost count John? > > > << I don't insist upon being called "Master > > Hancock" or "Grand Poohbah Hancock" or even "His Celestial Omnipetence" > > (unless of course > > I'm in bed with a woman ....how many of you got the joke > > there). >> > [snip..] > > okay, I got a good laugh outta that one. A quick ques. though - have you > lost count? hee hee > Dawne No. Like the Owl said, "The answer is '3'." ;-) ------------------------------ From: Greg Giddins Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:53:50 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Concealed weapons >For those of you in the states, do you also have a CCW permit? Good timing on that question. (You gun guys feel free to correct me if I am mislead, but this is what I have in the tiny brain o' mine...) Here in Colorado they are in the middle of passing a bill to legalize concealed handguns at this very moment. I believe the bill, at this point, states: if you pass a background check, with no felonies on your record, you can apply for a concealed weapons permit. Generally, if you can buy a gun, you can hide it on your person. How's that for progress? Great news for the police, eh? They'll probably make traffic stops with their guns drawn. And I couldn't blame them. Hell, I'd be doing that without the concealed gun law... Greg Giddins ggiddins@ossinc.net ------------------------------ From: John Hancock <4karate@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 15:53:15 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #125 > The last thing I expected to see in a grocery store was a guy in a stance, > squaring off with me, and the last thing he expected me to do about it was > drop in to a stance of my own. Good thing his "pal" had the sense to break > it up... could you just see the groceries flying?!!!! > > Greg Giddins Ya know...I was just sure this was going to turn into a "karate chopped the watermellon" story. Even now I can't get the picture out of my head of the muppet "Animal" in a dobok in the fruits and vegetables going wild. ROFLMHO!!! John Hancock (The most recent excommunication from the TKD-Net) ------------------------------ From: John Hancock <4karate@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 15:55:59 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #125 > how many of you carry one (or more!) knives on your person at a time? > tom > > ------------------------------ I always carry two. They are a matched set. They are shaped like hands. You got it.....they are "KNIFE HANDS!!" HARHARHARHARHAR! (somebody stop me!!) John Hancock ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:27:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: RE: Concealed weapons > >For those of you in the states, do you also have a CCW permit? > > Good timing on that question. (You gun guys feel free to correct me if I am > mislead, but this is what I have in the tiny brain o' mine...) > Here in Colorado they are in the middle of passing a bill to legalize > concealed handguns at this very moment. > I believe the bill, at this point, states: if you pass a background check, > with no felonies on your record, you can apply for a concealed weapons > permit. Generally, if you can buy a gun, you can hide it on your person. > How's that for progress? > > Great news for the police, eh? They'll probably make traffic stops with > their guns drawn. And I couldn't blame them. Hell, I'd be doing that > without the concealed gun law... Being in Colorado right now I read that in an op-ed piece in the newspaper. Sorry, but I had to laugh. As another article went on the correctly report, in all states (17 now?) that have 'shall issue' CCW laws the violent crime rate declined after passage and remained low. As for me, no I do not have a CCW. In California there is no 'shall issue' law. As a result it is up to the local Police Chief or Sheriff. In some/many of those cases getting a CCW depends on how much $$ you donate to their re-election campaign. What do the cops think? Many of the beat cops will like it, many will not. Most of the administrative types will go with the latest poll figures. But this is really an issue for talk.politics.guns, yes? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:24:31 PST Subject: the_dojang: Story Time.. Well, hey this reminded me of what the forum is to me. :) FYI only but if it doesn't work for you maybe some of the kids in your class will like the fable. The StarFish and the Turtle One day, a starfish saw a weary turtle swimming aimlessly in a tidepool. The starfish said, "You seem lost, my friend." "There is where I want to be," the turtle said as it pointed to six distant islands. "I just don't know how to get there from here." The starfish listened attentively. "Maybe I can help you." The turtle's eyes widened as dozens of colorful starfish emerged, networked arm-in-arm, point-to-point. The starfish formed a pathway along the sandbars, fanning out to all the islands. "The water here is shallow, so you can walk. Together, my friends and I will mark a path for your journey." When the turtle returned to the tidepool it had new companions, a renewed spirit, and a sense of belonging. "There's no greater force, stronger motivator, or better mentor than connection," observed the starfish. One day, the turtle asked, "How did you know what I needed?" The starfish reflected for a moment. "The need to be connected lies within each of us. I just showed you how to find it. For it is through the connections in our lives that we learn and flourish." Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Michael Sarles" Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:33:43 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Being a BB after time off! I went through a horrible divorce and could not PRIORITIZE something like TKD into my life. As it turned out, I was out for about 2 years. A very difficult 2 years where I had very little activity except for an occassional jog...Every once in a while though, I would pop into class... I asked my instructor if I could go without a belt or something besides my BB and uniform (with piping). "No, you're a black belt. You'll work out like a black belt. Just do your best." I would forget forms, couldn't kick high, could get winded on some of the heavy kicking drills (when no one else would) jump spinning kicks looked like crap. I could also see and hear snickers or people looking at me like "Who the hell is this slob?", although no one ever said anything. My workout partners patronized me by making sure they didn't hold target too high and such. It was pretty humiliating. That was one reason it was hard to come back. I felt like I was wearing something I no longer deserved. I don't know what this means but at least when it came to sparring, they quickly lost their 'patronizing' looks - I hadn't been doing this for 10 years just so I could lose my "bread n' butter" techniques ! That was one of the reasons my instructor had me wear my black belt. He said that he thought it would be a good lesson for everything. He knew how it would affect me and how I wouldn't want to wear it. He also knew that if I did wear it, I would push myself so I wouldn't embarrass myself. He also had me wear it (he said) to help some of the students there that you can't judge a book by it's cover. He knew that after 10 years, even though my body was a little slow in coming back, I mentally still knew what to do. That's why he enjoyed me sparring too. He said there were students that came up afterward saying that they will never underestimate what a black belt looks like and doubt what they may be capable of. Not tooting my own horn here, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it! ciao, Michael Sarles msarles@ior.com > > From: "Jamaica Power" > Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 09:11:23 PST > Subject: the_dojang: 10 Steps Forward, 20 Backward > > >>>Or perhaps you become quite ill and take a leave but seeing as it's > confidental you choose not to tell others so they make up their own > stories which label you within your organization.>>> > [snip] > After you've come back from an injury or maybe just an acute type > illness what did it feel like. Were you frustrated at your limitations? > If you have something like bursitis/arthritis what do you do to overcome > your obstacles. > > Jamaica > jamaica_power@hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Holcombe Thomas" Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:47:23 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #125 Tom Marker asks: > >how many of you carry one (or more!) knives on your person at a time? > I carry my Swiss Army knife, but I'd guess that isn't exactly the sort of knife you mean. :-) Holcombe Thomas ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:48:24 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest-HKD-1STDAN I was appalled to read about the 50 hour HKD 1st dan. In most schools it takes 3-7 years of serrious training. TKD training definately helps you to maybe move a little faster but it still takes around 3 years. Learning a few self-defense tech. does not take all that long but HKD is not just a few. You learn or should learn about Ki development the principals of HKD, Wha, Won, Yu just learning those can take years. It seems that to many TKD Masters & Instructors think that by adding a few wrist locks to there TKD class makes it HKD, IT DOES NOT. HKD is much more comprehensive than that. Master Todd ------------------------------ From: "Perry Seto" Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:01:30 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Shunned >>>Or perhaps you become quite ill and take a leave but seeing as it's >>>confidental you choose not to tell others so they make up their own >>>stories which label you within your organization.>>> >>I snipped this from my "Shunned" post to take it a bit further. Say >>you've come back to the martial arts after a long illness (maybe even >>terminal illness) and your performance level is weak and along with this >>you start at another school (same style). Would you wear your black >>belt or would you wear a white belt because you feel you no longer >>perform at your best or even close to what you once did. You're just >>not the same person mentally or physically or would you wear your black >>belt in pride? >>Jamaica - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Jamaica, I've been so busy that I've had very little time to post, but I had to answer this one. If I had a school and someone came to me that had earned their black belt somewhere else, I would verify their "credentials" then let them wear their belt ... i.e. WTF card, what have you. Their current physical condition would not be the determining factor to me. I've stated it before, people start at different baselines and have different physical abilities. There will ALWAYS be people better and worse than you .... physically. But a black belt is awarded, to me at least, as much on spiritual development (effort, determination, improvement) as it is on pure physical skill. I have an example for you. I have a friend who has trained for years .... has had his black belt for eons (higher dan rank now, but that is irrelevant) ... almost thirty years. He has a life threatening disease, one that prevents him from a LOT of physical activities. There are probably more things now that he CAN'T do rather than CAN do. But ....... should he give back his black belt because he can't do the same physical things? I don't think so. He earned the rank. He should keep it. Heck, I know I can't do the things I could twenty years ago. My body just won't let me. You'll be darned if you think you can have this black belt back though. :-)) (I am, however, sneakier now) :-)))))) Bottomline? It's the spirit that counts. The body will fail us before the spirit. Keep that spirit and you'll always be a black belt to me. - -Perry- pseto@aptl.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:11:31 +1000 Subject: the_dojang: Carrying a knife > in the past, i've noticed a pretty high corelation to knife owners and > martial artists, so I thought I'd ask the group... Thought I'd let you know that its illegal to carry knives in Australia, even little ones. Our laws got toughened up last year after an off duty police officer got stabbed trying to knab someone dealing drugs in Sydney. Jim Muir jim.muir@dao.defence.gov.au ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 15:27:55 PST Subject: the_dojang: Responding to Situations/Dawne Well, I always turn or jump into a fighting stance. Curious, I always thought it was a LACK of training [being just a guppie] or I'm just too paranoid. I wonder though if it could really be a gender issue? I know I lack upper body strength and I'm relatively short - that's why I started TKD and have since added HKD. Maybe because I'm a woman I feel the need to *be more ready*. Any thoughts people? Jamaica I'd like to hear you on this.Dawne _____________________________________________- Hi there - Just read your post and Mr. Giddins post. Hahah I think you two are very similar in approach. :) Don't think it's a gender issue! Had to think on this one for awhile Dawne. I've been following the thread and trying to think of all the experiences I had and how I reacted. Interestingly enough I've varied. I guess we all agree that we'll never know how we will react in any situation. But here's a few of mine. Random incidents over time. No particular pattern. The only theme I can find is that my reactions seem to change by my age and experiences in life in general not just martial arts. Sort of where I'm at and a little mood and attitude mixed in. Can be a fiery combination. When I was quite young I had more the attitude of don't even try to knock this chip off my shoulder. Nobody did. I don't like people coming into my private space uninvited, ie if you're a huggy person you need be careful that there are souls like me out there. :) But even though this was before martial arts days I was a street kid and learned ways to defend myself so confrontation was not new or scary to me. Plus I think when you're younger and on the streets you don't think too much about the fear factor. Okay, I got a little older and I seemed to soften up a ton and I don't think this overall was good or advantageous. Maybe it was the childbearing that did it. During this time I lost my spirit and I got abused. Maybe having children makes you think about the fear factor. At this this point in time I felt like one of those horses that people break their spirits, know what I mean. Time goes on...Got my spirit and my strength back. Was at a big outdoor concert/rally/swap meet. Had my keys hanging out of my back pocket so I could feel them. Some guy made the mistake of telling me I was going to loose my keys (got way too close) I didn't use physical force but let's just say it took me about a 1/2 second to whip around and confront and then find out he was just a kind person trying to do me a favor. Let's see also got in a very bad situation once and found out all skills went out the window. Totally, completely, gone. Most of my instincts got messed up. I think because I was tired and sick at the time. It was like hellooooo is anybody home.. On that one I lucked out. And now... Well now I have this real quiet way about me (yep, except when I post on the forum) but it's I guess what we'd call a quiet strength. I don't do the instant stances or defenses. I tend to stare down and analyze first and give off a few messages even if initial contact is made. And truly, I'm not really sure what it is but I get reactions like this; My sons boss talked with me the other day and then talked with my son at work the next day. He smiled at my son and said, I enjoyed meeting your mom, nice lady but something about her.. I don't know what it is but I wouldn't want to mess with her. (hahah maybe it's my endearing smile). My kid agrees with his boss. So for whatever reason I don't seem to use the physical stuff now. Hope I don't have to. But I will admit I have the stances going in my mind all the time like a little tape recorder so if action is appropriate it would be an instant playback. I was sitting in the car the other day with my son's girlfriend waiting for my son to come out of a store with some pizza. There were some interesting kids doing wacko stuff in a car, drugs, whatever. My instant responses started reviewing the situation the number of people, and how I would physically confront them if something happened. Well I'm beyond chatty. And I probably didn't answer your question cause I really didn't have a specific answer. Best I could do was share experiences. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:49:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #126 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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