From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #130 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thurs, 4 March 1999 Vol 06 : Num 130 In this issue: the_dojang: Digest Archives Re: the_dojang: Digest Archives the_dojang: re: Concealed Weapons/DJ the_dojang: Re: Texas Re: the_dojang: re: Concealed Weapons/DJ the_dojang: TKD Schools in the Boston area the_dojang: Re: Hip exercises the_dojang: Re: Bo-Dan low down the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #129 the_dojang: Re: More Taeguk 6 the_dojang: Blocking instinctively the_dojang: Junior buys a gun! the_dojang: Re: KI-Hap BOUNCE the_dojang: Non-member submission from ["J. John Franich" (fwd) the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! 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Jeremy ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:56:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Digest Archives > I know this has been asked before, but I had a total crash on my email > yesterday and I need the archive lists so I can retrieve what was > talked about yesterday. Thanks. ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Lasich, Mark D." Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:54:56 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: re: Concealed Weapons/DJ DJ, Your response: ' An armed population just ups the level of violence to a higher plain.' I respectfully disagree. As I, and Ray Terry, have pointed out, the studies and reports show that an armed population (or at least a population that have the "right" to carry a concealed weapon) exhibits a LOWER incidence of violent crime! If the would be criminal has no clue who is carrying a weapon and who is not, why would they be willing to risk their own neck for something minor. No, I FIRMLY believe that giving potential victims the right to defend themselves promotes a safer society. Criminals will ALWAYS get weapons, laws only prevent to honest person from getting what is rightfully (according to the U.S. Constitution) theirs. Why would anyone want the criminals to have the upper hand? Now, the link to martial arts? Have we seen the incidents of violent crime increase as the number of martial arts practitioners increased? No. In reality, we are ALL carrying dangerous weapons - they just are not concealed, per se, as they are our arms and legs! Did Korea of years gone by have people randomly punching and kicking each other in the streets (okay, aside from war-time, and all the "My-do school vs. Your-do school" movies)? I think not! NO, if we let law makers dictate how we choose to defend ourselves, we are left defenseless. Think about it and you'll find that even though you may not want to carry a gun, others deserve the right to! It is no different than some people thinking that all martial artists are a bad lot. Why? Simply because they don't have enough information to form their own opinion and they are left only with inaccurate information they pick up from movies, and other places! I could go on, but the suds are leaving my soap box! In the spirit of TKD... Mark.Lasich@alcoa.com I asked for everything so I could enjoy life. Instead, HE gave me life so I could enjoy everything! ------------------------------ From: jberwin@sc45.rsc.raytheon.com (John Brett Erwin 972-952-3738 ERWN) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:00:57 -0600 (CST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Texas >March 6,1999 - Dallas Texas - Texas Cotton Belt National Karate >Championships! Larry & Rose Wheeler 972-429-0196 KRANE, NASKA, TX >A.O.K. Rated lwheeler@lonestar.rcclub.org Anyone know where this will be??? Email me direct. Thanks, Brett Erwin jberwin@ti.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:16:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: re: Concealed Weapons/DJ Folks, please take the anti/pro gun talk to private e-mail. Thanks. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:16:54 EST Subject: the_dojang: TKD Schools in the Boston area OK...the nephrologist gave us the go ahead and Micah can study karate again. While I won't definately sign until the orthopedist gives us his rubber stamp as well, I do want to start seeking a TKD school in the West Boston suburbs (Newton, Watertown, Waltham, etc.). Does any one here have any experiences with schools, good or bad, that they can share. I'm looking for a family program. (My step-daughter is excited that she will be able to "legally" hit her brother. My s/o then decided he better get back into all this to make sure no one got maimed.) I would also like a school that recognizes our TSD ranks and will be willing to work with the boys so they aren't busted back down to 10th gup. They worked hard for their belts and I don't want to see them taken away by changing styles....it would be slightly disheartening. I do know a lot of schools in varying styles will allow you to keep your belt and bring you up to speed for the equivalent rank. When you test, your instructor informs the board about what's going on and they judge accordingly. I also know a lot of schools say "tough." I often find students (and former students) are the best references for a place. Any and all info would be appreciated. Tang Soo! Karla ------------------------------ From: Fred Madero Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:31:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Hip exercises The problem I have is on my right side, so I will explain for that side. Just reverse if yours is on left; 1. Lay on your left side on the edge of something high off the ground (bed, table that will support you). You should be facing away from the edge, your back side should be close to the edge. Now take your right leg (keep leg straight) and let hang off the edge, try and touch floor or until pain, then raise up as high as you can, repeat about ten times. You may need to bend left leg slightly and hold onto something because when you let right leg down it pulls you that way. You should feel this just in the hip, adjust accordingly. 2. Stand with feet together in front of something that you can hold onto. Now take your left foot to the right side as far as you can (in front of your right foot) keeping your right foot stationary. Like cross step in front. You should feel the stretch in your right hip. Hold for 10 seconds then repeat 10 times. I hope you can understand and that it helps. It seems my doctor felt that with some rest this would go away. The therapist felt it was weakness so that is why he gave me these exercises. Fred ------------------------------ From: "Mark M. Smith" Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:41:58 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Bo-Dan low down At 10:28 AM 3/4/99 -0500, you wrote: >From: "Stratton, Sam" >Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 06:35:25 -0800 >Subject: the_dojang: Bo-Dan low down > >In my dojang we refer to 1st gup students (one step below 1st dan) as Bo-Dan, >guess from all the mail that this moniker is specific to my dojang. Sorry for >any confusion. Sam, We use the same term Bo-dan. Do not feel like you are all alone. >Thanx, >Sam Stratton >Bo-Dan(first Gup) > __________________________________________________________ Mark M. Smith 4th Dan #5041993 Premier Taekwondo tele: (603) 424-3633 280 Daniel Webster Highway fax: (603) 672-1920 Merrimack, NH 03054 email: msmith@p2software.com ------------------------------ From: Steven Gilmore Date: Thu, 4 Mar 99 10:56:33 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #129 >In my dojang we refer to 1st gup students (one step below 1st dan) as >Bo-Dan, I guess from all the mail that this moniker is specific to my >dojang. Not true. In Kuk Sool Won (worldwide), black belt candidates are called "Dahn Boh Nym". Sincerely, Steven Gilmore San Antonio, TX ------------------------------ From: "Mark M. Smith" Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:59:48 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: More Taeguk 6 At 10:28 AM 3/4/99 -0500, you wrote: >From: "CALLAHAN" >Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:27:48 -0500 >Subject: the_dojang: Re: More Taeguk 6 > >There is no yell at the end of the form. The only yell is at the second >round kick, that you described above. > I concur. >By the way, (some one mentioned this in a previous post) the arms should >not be crossed above the head. They are crosses at chest level, then >brought down slowly. Now, to add one more question to this thread: > >1.) What is the meaning behind this particular motion? > The motion is called "arae hecho makki". arae = "low" hecho = "spreading/pushing" makki = "block" This motion is also used in block belt forms Kumgang, Taebeak, and Pyonwon. When I have seen explanations of its practical applications, it usually involved blocking front kicks attacking from the side. In Taeguek Yook (6) Jang I believe the move is used more as a pause to collect oneself and return to a ready stance before initiating the second part of the poomse. This is why it is executed slowly with emphasis on breathing. This is common in the more advanced forms, Taeguek 7 and Koryo for example. __________________________________________________________ Mark M. Smith 4th Dan #5041993 Premier Taekwondo tele: (603) 424-3633 280 Daniel Webster Highway fax: (603) 672-1920 Merrimack, NH 03054 email: msmith@p2software.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:34:54 EST Subject: the_dojang: Blocking instinctively In response to Matthew's comments about blocking while playing ping pong.... ...I've recently taken up racquetball. When the ball comes at my face, my initial reaction is to block and evade, not hit it with the racket! My playing partner is getting a good laugh at my reactions. Lorelei KSW student << On a similar note, I was playing ping-pong with several guys from my dojang. They started to poke fun at me because when I hit the ball with a cutting type strike I blocked my face with the other hand, without even realizing it. Again, at first I felt kind of foolish, but again after some thought, I felt happy. Unfortunately the lesson was lost on some of my fellow students. >> ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:29:16 PST Subject: the_dojang: Junior buys a gun! Been reading the gun/knife thread and wanted to share this recent experience since I know many of you have children younger than mine. I grew up with weapons. It was part of my life way before the days of martial arts. My son however did not. I was a street kid; he was a protected kid. I wear sweatpants and tshirts; he wears the Guess jeans and Nike's. Well when he was younger I never introduced him to my other world. Okay, time goes on and he's all growed up now :) and of legal age. Starts getting interested in guns and knives and starts ordering magazines and this and that. Wanted me to use my connections to get him some deals. I refused. He did some more research. Bought a gun last week. I went with him to pick it up. There is no moral to this story; not point at all; and I have way too many thoughts running through my head to post.. Just throwing this out for whatever... No big deal when I buy weapons for myself...feels different when your kid does... Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:31:06 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: KI-Hap In a message dated 3/4/99 10:25:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > As for yelling when doing form competition - I've never (to my knowledge) > actually _scared_ the judges. But I do have a strong yell and it won me an > open tourney at the end of last year. Well I think it won my the > competition, because as far as I'm concerned I didn't do the form very well > :( But, the judges seemed to love my yell :) > > Also on form competition - is it just me or do you others get nervous? I > mean every step I take I'm think I'm nearly gonna fall over - my legs feel > all weak and wobbly. Apparently it doesn't show however, which is lucky. I > guess it's just butterflies, but you'd think I'd feel right at home doing a > form I've known for a few years... > > Mike > Hamilton > New Zealand. Mike et al. I don't compete in tourneys but I have friends who do. They tell me their secret is the 2 syllable ki-ahp! Like Mike I know of a woman who felt her form wasn't that strong and she picked it apart but the 2 syllable ki-hap was great. She won 1st place. Could it be that after a black belt form if you still have what it takes to shake the roof the judges think it took less effort (physically) to do the form then what it actually did?? Dawne ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: BOUNCE the_dojang: Non-member submission from ["J. John Franich" (fwd) You are subscribed as jfranich@email.com. Ray - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Forwarded message: To: the_dojang-owner Subject: BOUNCE the_dojang: Non-member submission from ["J. John Franich" ] From: "J. John Franich" Subject: RE: Concealed weapons Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:07:09 -0900 "Jewell, David" wrote: >ps: actually I do carry a knife at all times... I carry a Leatherman Tool in >which the pliers look more threatening than the blade. :-) FYI: I am a criminal defense lawyer. I recently represented a man who was charged with a felony assault for using the pliers on his Leatherman to defend himself. The pliers fit the legal definition of a "dangerous instrument" if they are used in such a way that they are capable of causing death or serious physical injury. My client was prosecuted because he used the pliers on the Leatherman to defend himself against an unarmed assailant. We are taught to use anything that is handy as a weapon to protect ourselves. Anything that we use, even our hands and feet, can be considered a dangerous instrument. We must learn not only the techniques to defend ourselves, but also the restraint necessary to avoid going too far. Learning technique is one thing, developing judgment is another. ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:50:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #130 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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