From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #131 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thurs, 4 March 1999 Vol 06 : Num 131 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: 2nd wind and psyched up! the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #129 the_dojang: Re: It's good to be back the_dojang: Re: Kihaps in Taeguk 6 the_dojang: Korean terminology? the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #129 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #130 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #130 the_dojang: Tidbits for our Younger Female Athletes the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #130 the_dojang: Male or Female Coaches the_dojang: Re: Breathing the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stan Lim Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 12:51:29 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: 2nd wind and psyched up! Jamaica asked: >So how does everybody do it? At best, I have 20 minutes from the time I get home to the time I have to leave for class. If I am really tired, I take a cat nap. Stan Lim ------------------------------ From: Stan Lim Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 12:57:22 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #129 Mike Heeney posed: >Also on form competition - is it just me or do you others get nervous? I >mean every step I take I'm think I'm nearly gonna fall over - my legs feel >all weak and wobbly. Apparently it doesn't show however, which is lucky. I >guess it's just butterflies, but you'd think I'd feel right at home doing a >form I've known for a few years... I get nervous all the time, but usually once I get started on my form, my focus is solely on the form and I "forget" about being nervous. I think it is just a natural reaction to be nervous. Anyone out there who DOESN'T get nervous in competition? Oh, one more thing. I think that exerting power during the form helps mask the weak and wobbly movements :-) Stan Lim (also learning TaeGeuk 6 right now) ------------------------------ From: Stan Lim Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 13:09:28 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: It's good to be back Emil J. Fisk announced himself thus: >After taking a break from this list for almost three years, I'm glad to be >back. >Just to introduce myself to everybody else, I've still got a first dan rank >in WTF (Kukkiwon), and am currently residing in Malaysia. Welcome back, Emil. What are you doing in Malaysia? Where are you living and training? I hope you were able to find a WTF school where you are (Some cities are predominantly ITF schools, some are WTF). Stan Lim (born in Malaysia) WTF-TKD, San Jose, CA ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 22:03:38 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Kihaps in Taeguk 6 Kim Jones wrote: >Now, to add to Kevin's post: I was taught to ki'ap when you execute a >roundhouse after the movement where you raise your arms above your head in an >x-block and bring it down slowly. Now, my question is, do you ki'ap at the >very end of the form after you do the knife-hand blocks and the palm-blocks >with the reverse punches? According to the "Kukkiwon Taekwon-do Textbook", there is only one kihap in Taeguk 6 - when you execute a second roundhouse. I think this is the most reliable source. - -- Piotr Bernat dantkd@polbox.com ------------------------------ From: "Lasich, Mark D." Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:29:47 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Korean terminology? I know we've discussed "thank you" in Korean, but when I see Mark Smith's post, containing: >The motion is called "arae hecho makki". >arae = "low" >hecho = "spreading/pushing" >makki = "block" I can't help but wonder about naming conventions in general. In my TSD days we used korean terminology all the time. Makki, I also know as block. However, I remember something like "ha-dan makki" as a low block. In this example it should be something like "arae makki"! In ATA TKD we use "poomse" to stand for form, but I have also see it written in ATA books as Jahng. TSD we had "hyueng", such as our "gicho-hyueng"....(sorry for misspelling). My question: since these are all Korean martial arts, should we not all be using the same terms? Being that we are not, do some arts have more Chinese influence? More North Korea vs. South Korea? Or where do these differences in terminology come from when refering to the same technique? Thanks. In the spirit of TKD... Mark.Lasich@alcoa.com I asked for everything so I could enjoy life. Instead, HE gave me life so I could enjoy everything. ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:36:01 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #129 << There is no yell at the end of the form. The only yell is at the second round kick, that you described above. By the way, (some one mentioned this in a previous post) the arms should not be crossed above the head. They are crosses at chest level, then brought down slowly. Now, to add one more question to this thread: 1.) What is the meaning behind this particular motion? Chris Callahan >> Thanks, Chris, for clarifying the ki'ap question for me. I was taught to have the arms cross at about forehead level and keep them crossed to just below the sternum as the arms are being brought down slowly. At least there's consistency about doing that part slowly. >^..^< Kim Jones addidastkd@aol.com "Dooo beeee do be do..." ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:40:50 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #130 << In Taeguek Yook (6) Jang I believe the move is used more as a pause to collect oneself and return to a ready stance before initiating the second part of the poomse. This is why it is executed slowly with emphasis on breathing. This is common in the more advanced forms, Taeguek 7 and Koryo for example. >> Thanks to Mark for bringing up that interesting and very enligtening point. Since nobody at my school does Koryo (our instructor doesn't humble himself to do the black belt forms, much less teach his own son Koryo himself), I can't really tell if that "pause and recollection" is in Koryo, but it's defnitely in Taegeuk 7!!!!!!!!! Kim Jones addidastkd@aol.com "Doooo beee do be do..." ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:45:22 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #130 << I don't compete in tourneys but I have friends who do. They tell me their secret is the 2 syllable ki-ahp! Like Mike I know of a woman who felt her form wasn't that strong and she picked it apart but the 2 syllable ki-hap was great. She won 1st place. Could it be that after a black belt form if you still have what it takes to shake the roof the judges think it took less effort (physically) to do the form then what it actually did?? >> 2 syllable ki'ap? Hoooooooooooo buddy.... so THAT'S the secret... :) In my research that I've been doing, I ran across a translation of "ki'ap." What I picked up said it translates to "spirit shout." I guess the more aggressive the shout, the more spirit you show... Now for a new question: Have you ever seen somebody totally tear up a form and still win for it? (And we're assuming somebody else had a more deafening ki'ap.) Kim Jones addidastkd@aol.com "Dooo beee do be do..." ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 14:10:49 PST Subject: the_dojang: Tidbits for our Younger Female Athletes Among teenage girls, anabolic steroid use has approximately doubled since 1991, whereas use among adolescent boys has remained nearly unchanged, according to a new study. As the incidence of eating disorders continues to rise in adolescents, particularly females, a dangerous side effect has come to light -- osteoporosis. The Massachusetts Department of Public Health (MDPH) aims to increase awareness among adolescents prone to osteoporosis as a result of eating disorders. SportsBridge: The Center for Girls and Women in Sports http://www.citysearch7.com/E/G/SFOCA/0000/00/31/ Most physician and athletic officials say the routine tests that schools require for participation in sports have not kept pace with the intense levels of competition and stress on young athletes. Their primary concern is hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, a thickening of the heart muscle that is difficult to detect and is the most common cause of sudden death among otherwise healthy individuals under age 30. Young athletes who have clearly abnormal hearts are easy to diagnose, but there are others who have a cardiac problem (such as hypertrophic cardiomyopathy) that cannot be easily detected. These are the ones that die suddenly and unexpectedly. One of the more common injuries in women is to the anterior cruciate ligament (ACL). National Collegiate Athletic Association injury data show that female athletes injure the ACL more frequently than their male counterparts do. The greater incidence of ACL injuries in women probably stems from complex, interrelated factors, possibly including hamstring-quadriceps strength imbalances, joint laxity, and the use of ankle braces. Successful treatment often includes surgery. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com We can't run from who we are, Our destiny chooses us. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Longhorn, Andrew" Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:00:05 +1100 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #130 > FYI: I am a criminal defense lawyer. I recently represented a man who > was charged with a felony assault for using the pliers on his Leatherman > to defend himself. The pliers fit the legal definition of a "dangerous > instrument" if they are used in such a way that they are capable of > causing death or serious physical injury. My client was prosecuted > because he used the pliers on the Leatherman to defend himself against > an unarmed assailant. > > We are taught to use anything that is handy as a weapon to protect > ourselves. Anything that we use, even our hands and feet, can be > considered a dangerous instrument. We must learn not only the techniques > to defend ourselves, but also the restraint necessary to avoid going too > far. Learning technique is one thing, developing judgment is another. > This is a very interesting point, it really illustrates that it is HOW you use something and to what degree, rather than what the actual weapon is that is more important and argueably more legally damaging. If I stop an attack by threatening with a chainsaw, or actually cause damage with my bear hands, which would I potentially be in more trouble from? Obviously as a trained martial artist the law will classify my body as fairly dangerous, a bit of reality and a bit of hollywood. :) But the fact that I went further with one weapon than the other makes all the difference in a defence situation. Then again, we can argue that threatening with a chainsaw is more likely to defuse the situation than any degree of theatrical ma threatening :) Andrew ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 15:03:22 PST Subject: the_dojang: Male or Female Coaches Initially I wrote this for our younger female competitors but am always looking for and welcoming all thoughts. Thanks. Would you rather have a female or male coach? Does it make any significant difference in your training? Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "John Franich" Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:13:05 -0900 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Breathing "Barbara Oliver" wrote: >I would be interested in hearing what type of breathing patterns people use >during the execution of their forms. > >If you are doing a form with full speed and power, do you still try to >breathe out with every technique, or every nth technique? > >And, does your breathing pattern help with stamina? Breathe? You're supposed to BREATHE during your forms? Hahahaha!!! :) In our WTSDA school, we are taught to breathe naturally throughout the form, except in certain forms in which breathing is specifically emphasized; e.g., Ship soo hyung. Unlike some TKD styles, we do NOT expell breath on each move. Someone on this list once mentioned that technique making people sound like lawn sprinklers. Ch..ch..ch..ch. :) I've often wondered whether that breathing pattern might lead to hyperventillation. ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:08:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #131 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. 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