From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #133 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 5 March 1999 Vol 06 : Num 133 In this issue: the_dojang: Finding a school the_dojang: Maturation in Female Athletes the_dojang: On Becoming a GM the_dojang: Re: nervousness the_dojang: Taeguk 6 kihap the_dojang: knives and martial artists the_dojang: Re: Taeguek 7 (Mark Smith) the_dojang: Re: terms Re: the_dojang: Re: terms the_dojang: Dawne's kihap and more on kids the_dojang: Title IX and martial arts the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #132 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #132 the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:02:08 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Finding a school finding a school/Karla I'm in the greater Boston area until further notice! If you know of anyone who is headed up this way please contact me, My Dojang is right off the "T" in Somerville, 5 minutes from Boston. - -Stacy staff@somerville-tangsoodo.com In a message dated 3/4/99 3:47:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > I often find students (and former students) are the best references for a > place. Any and all info would be appreciated. > > Tang Soo! > > Karla Karla, I know nothing of Boston but have an idea. I was once advised to go to the school and ask parents questions about their experiences IN the parking lot. Get their free opinion privately with no one listening or watching. It may work. Luckily we found our school by word of mouth. But if that fails maybe this can be your plan B. Dawne ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 09:10:52 PST Subject: the_dojang: Maturation in Female Athletes Found this article and thought it was interesting. Just reminded me how hard it is our youngeer female athletes to continually adjust in sports like martial arts to compensate for their height/weight and other factors which change their balance and execution of techniques. Fitness: Late maturity can encourage, discourage female athletes By Dr. Lou Makarowski / Scripps Howard News Service     Late maturing girls often perform better at sports than their early maturing rivals. There are many reasons that this is so. Growth and maturation are influenced by many factors. Parents, athletes and coaches should consider this issue more closely. Especially parents with daughters who are competing at the elite level.     Growth and maturation have implications that can encourage or discourage young female athletes. Young girls who mature early often get sidetracked by peer pressure and drop out.     Parental attitudes can help these girls to make a more considered decision. Parental attitudes that are based on solid information will help young girls who previously enjoyed training hard and competing to continue despite the fact that their values are changing with the progression of puberty.     Today's sport world offers more opportunities for young women than ever before. All too often, early maturing girls drop sports before they have a chance to reach their full potential. Far too often the healthy outlets provided by sports are replaced with destructive activities that lead nowhere.     Athletes are differentiated from their peers by the fact of their sport success. According to Robert Malina writing in Children and Youth in Sport (Brown & Benchmark 1996), early success in sport is often related to physical superiority, but that is only the beginning.     Once identified as outstanding, young athletes are frequently provided opportunities to get high quality coaching and competitive opportunities that provide them with access to some of the best training available.     What parents and athletes should bear in mind, however, is that the physical advantage at the tender ages is often relatively small. In many cases a young woman who is a late bloomer may quit before she reaches her potential. In many sports, particularly gymnastics, late maturers have the advantage.     Their relative physical immaturity allows them to compete on a more equal footing with prepubescent males who typically reach physical maturity two to three years later than early maturing females.     Some experts believe that difference protects these young women from social pressures that discourage sport participation. It also allows them to continue to train and develop without the extra weight of extra fatty tissue that comes with puberty for most early maturing girls.     Parents should help their daughters remember that their are many roads to sport success other than the elite levels. Parents should make sure that children involved in elite training programs are exposed to high quality coaching.     High quality coaching recognizes the individual differences among young athletes. The best coaches treat them with respect. Young athletes should never be forced to participate in extremely strenuous exercise without adequate nutrition.     Regular physical exercise is wonderful for any youngster but strenuous training regimens that emphasize very low levels of body fat to provide the competitive edge can be dangerous.     The American Medical Association and American Dietetic Association collaborated in issuing a statement that cautions against such a policy.     They go on to point out that to do so may delay sexual maturation, decrease growth and, ultimately, height. Encourage your young athletes to stay active, train hard, and eat nutritious, well balanced meals.         Dr. Lou Makarowski is a member of the U.S. Olympic Registry of Clinical Sport Psychologists. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 10:07:08 PST Subject: the_dojang: On Becoming a GM Does anybody has this has a career or personal goal and do you think it is achievable for you when looking at the current organizational system of achievement within all martial arts organizations? Do you think this is something your younger students might aspire too and do we even promote this type of thinking? Or do we stop our forward thinking at a certain blackbelt level and remain content? Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jana Lise" Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 10:19:50 PST Subject: the_dojang: Re: nervousness >Also on form competition - is it just me or do you others get >nervous? Yuppers, i definitely get nervous beforehand, but while i'm in the ring my adrenaline usually tries to gain the upper hand. I have to struggle to keep my pace down, or i'll speed through the form...(kinda like the way i talk :) Jana ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 11:06:57 PST Subject: the_dojang: Taeguk 6 kihap Sorry that I am a day late and dollar short on this one but I made a few phone calls to some friends and received a similar answer from each of them regarding the kihap. Most of the instructors are teaching the kihap at the end of this form because many of their students compete. It has been their experience at tournaments that when the kihap is not at the end they are actually deducted points because the judges expect it at the end. It seems not all judges know all the forms correctly but they do wait for that loud yell at the end of the forms, not only as a sign of strength but closure. They have also been deducted if they put two kihaps in. It was not worth the time and effort to challenge the decisions. So there you have it for what it's worth. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:40:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: knives and martial artists Just a clarification on my earlier comment about martial arts and knives. I mentioned that most Filipino martial artists would probably carry knives. A couple of folks contacted me asking why a Filipino person taking martial arts would be more likely to carry than an non-Filipino. Sorry, that was not what I was trying to say. I meant a martial artist taking a Filipino martial art or an Indonesian martial art. Examples of these arts are the various versions of eskrima/escrima, kali, arnis, silat, kun tao, kun tao silat, kadena de mano, eskrido, kuntaw lima-lima, etc. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "CALLAHAN" Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:32:37 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Taeguek 7 (Mark Smith) > In Taeguek Yook (6) Jang I believe the move is used more as a pause to > collect oneself and return to a ready stance before initiating the second > part of the poomse. This is why it is executed slowly with emphasis on > breathing. This is common in the more advanced forms, Taeguek 7 and Koryo > for example. Maybe you just answered my next set of questions. Are you saying the motion of bringing the right fist into the left palm and raising it to about chin level, in Taeguek Chil (7) Jang, is simply a pause to collect yourself? There is no other meaning behind it? Also, the same is true in the middle of Koryo? No other possible meaning? Chris Callahan "Violence when there is an alternative, is immoral; Violence when there is no alternative, is survival" ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 15:03:33 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: terms In a message dated 3/5/99 12:02:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > Somewhere ~1977 the WTF started moving to the newer, more purely Korean, set > of descriptive terms. Until then we used the older, Chinese influenced, > set of terms in TKD. Many TKDers, especially those not affiliated with > the WTF, will still use the older terminology. > > Ray Terry Ray, Can you give us a few examples of what some use as the older terms and how those terms have changed now into something *more* Korean? thanks ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:27:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: terms > > Somewhere ~1977 the WTF started moving to the newer, more purely Korean, set > > of descriptive terms. Until then we used the older, Chinese influenced, > > set of terms in TKD. Many TKDers, especially those not affiliated with > > the WTF, will still use the older terminology. > Can you give us a few examples of what some use as the older terms and how > those terms have changed now into something *more* Korean? thanks "Old" (Chinese influence): Horse stance = keema cha se, front stance = chungul cha se, back stance = hugul cha se, low = ha dan, upper = sahng dan. New (more Korean): Horse stance = juchum seogi, front stance = ap kubi, back stance = dwit kubi, low = arae, upper = ulgool. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 12:31:18 PST Subject: the_dojang: Dawne's kihap and more on kids ...the master is grading and a black belt or adult is holding the board. After 3 attempts the master will take the board and BANG its over and done. ..... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Ah, the willingness to please the master instructor is a great motivation. But I'd also like to introduce another thought. More often than not whether in the classroom or tournament a make it or break it factor is the board holder. Because you are a blackbelt or even a big male 200lb blackbelt does not make a good boardholder. You'll see this a lot at tournaments. I would also like to ask what everyone thinks is the optimal time and days for classes for children where they seem to maximize their performance and where their attention level seems to stay. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 13:13:46 PST Subject: the_dojang: Title IX and martial arts I will preface this by saying that by most of your standards I would probably be considered old-fashioned in some of my opinions (yes I like the guy to hold the door open for me).. so with that said, I was watching TV the other night and an interview was going on in high schools and college about the girls joining and competing on the previously male only wrestling teams. They travel together at tournaments and compete against once another on the mat. The girls gave their opinions (pros and cons). Now I've also been reading a ton of info in Title IX. My question is in the world of martial arts would the female athletes like to compete with their male competitors in the same weight division as these wrestlers are doing, as hockey players are doing, as the military is doing. It's sort of funny because when I first joined martial arts I always got tossed in with male competitors cause there weren't any female categories yet it seems now to have come full circle. Do you think Title IX will make it mandatory for combined competitions at the junior and senior level? Thoughts? Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:47:49 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #132 << "spirit shout". I like that better than ki-ahp. Now to your question. I (read nonexpert-newbie) have never seen a really bad form win for the sake of a mere ki-hap. FWIW, I also spend more time watching bb than color belts at tourneys. (BTW, my son doesn't compete so I feel no loyalty to watch any given group and face it, bb forms are "cooler" and more entertaining to some) One time I did see (again through unskilled eyes) 5 people doing Koryo. Having seen this form a number of times it is my opinion that they were all pretty even in skill. Also, IMO one woman in her final move and ki-ahp was too close to the judges table. One more step and she coulda decked em'. Her kihap and breathing in general had been superior. She won. Dawne -did I answer the ques. Kim? >> Dawne-- Well... sorta. I was thinking more along the lines of color belt categories (uh oh... somebody better have the fire department on hand...). I hate to say it, but I've seen some people totally screw a form up and still get promoted even after they've been correct infinite number of times and make no move to correct it. But I have seen those cases were people have gotten too close to the table and still win. But thanks for your input! It has shed a little light. If anybody has any input for the non-black category, feel free to start a fire here or there. Kim Jones addidastkd@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:55:24 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #132 << while we are on the breathing and ki-ahp thread I thought I'd throw this in. In our family we have a *secret family ki-ahp*. Of course I can't tell you what it is because its secret ;) but I will tell you it has 2 syllables :0) my son has always had trouble breaking. he stops just inches from the board so that he bounces off the board. [since he might get hurt and the board doesn't I think Boards CAN hit back, ha ha] It is interesting to note that if the master or GM holds the board he goes through it like butter. Usually tho the master is grading and a black belt or adult is holding the board. After 3 attempts the master will take the board and BANG its over and done. so we had discussion upon discussion of why we break and why we kihap. so thus was born the secret family kihap. this now works about 80% of the time so I say AMEN. In our first school the kids would snicker and this really ate away at his confidence. Now our GM will have none of that - no exceptions. So what do you other parents, teachers do about this type of kid? the kid who seems to spar well enough and has a good form but literally hits an obstacle when it comes to breaking? Thanks, >> While I have yet to break a board, I have seen some people have difficulty break a board merely because they're not focusing at all. Went to a tournament in Albany, GA this past weekend and this kid, 2nd dan with a broken wrist, was doing a demonstration. Of course, he didn't use his bum arm for any of the breaks because it was still in a cast, but he managed to break all the boards within a reasonable amount of tries. However, there was one he couldn't get, and still couldn't get even when his dad tried holding it differently. The kid ended up breaking it against his forehead after attempting three times, moving to another break, and coming back to attempt three more times. It might have to do with how he was focusing, or he just had a bad day... I was sitting out in the audience and was having a tiny bit of difficulty seeing (degenerative eyesight... either my near-sightedness or astigmatism). Broaching eyesight, who wears any sort of "clumsy" eyegear during practice or competitions? I don't wear my glasses during class because while I have mucho difficulties seeing distances, everything close up is not that bad. And could someone please shed some light on what astigmatism is? I've had the phrase tossed at me from my eye doc and looked it up, but I odn't have a clear idea of what it really is. Any information is helpful. Kim Jones addidastkd@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:18:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #133 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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