From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #140 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 8 March 1999 Vol 06 : Num 140 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Working the techniques from forms the_dojang: Re: Not trophies and not medals the_dojang: Judging diff styles the_dojang: Re: College Accredited Courses the_dojang: eyeglasses in the dojang the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #139 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #139 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #139 the_dojang: Maryland House Bill 113 the_dojang: from World SinMoo Hapkido Federation the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "CALLAHAN" Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:09:35 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Working the techniques from forms > I was wondering about forms, I know that alot of us practice forms, and > that apparantly a number of those who practice form know the > applications to the movements, but how many us actually ever take the > applications out of the forms and practice them with a partner as > techniques or one-steps? I have seen alot of "forms are useless" vs > "forms are full of wonderful technique" arguements, but I have never > heard of, nor seen someone take the techniques from their forms and > actually drill them with a partner. I know that in other systems (in > Choy Lay Fut I have seen this) the techniques are taken right from the > forms and practiced with a partner like a one-step which would seem to > add a lot more value to the solo practice of the forms (they also have > two-person forms which are soooo cool!). I realize that not every > movement has a martial application (there are a lot of Yoga-like > breathing movements in ours), but simply knowing that move #1 is a block > and move #2 is a wristlock is a lot different than actually practicing > movements one and two with a partner. And after the times when we have > done this (usually on my own, outside of class), my forms change, even > if the application that I knew all along was the same one we practiced, > the form makes more sense now that I have done the technique to someone. > > Does anyone else do this sort of practice? and is it done on a regular > basis? Does anyone have two-person forms? > Aaron Harmon > Aaron, We have forms in our Hapki Do curriculum (I know, I remember the thread on traditional Hapki Do not having forms) and we are encouraged to implement those techniques into our sparring. As far as two person forms... no. Chris Callahan "Violence when there is an alternative, is immoral; Violence when there is no alternative, is survival" ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:26:04 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Not trophies and not medals Jamaica wrote: << For one of my competitions I won not a trophy and not a medal but a 5 x 7 wooden plaque. Very nicely done. I remember what a kick it was when they presented it in lieu of a trophy or medal. >> Wow! What a reminder... One of the nicest "awards" Josh ever got was about the size of an 8" x 10" photo frame, but all wood. At the middle bottom was a small medal plaque with the particulars - 1st place, Forms, Tournament Name, etc. What makes it so great is that the promoter used ornamental upholstery tacks and attached a tied belt sprayed with gold paint onto the wood. (It's a regular width belt, but looks like it was cut down in length, not sure.) I remember that day even though it was several years ago because everyone in the tournament seemed to be working extra hard so they'd get one of the "Gold" belts. Sally CBAUGHN@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 18:08:42 EST Subject: the_dojang: Judging diff styles > How can such different styles be judged fairly against > each other. Not knowing anything about TSD, all, and I mean ALL the TSD > folks doing forms just looked sloppy to me. This isn't a criticism, I > realize that the styles are quite different. I just don't see how anyone Tang Soo! I had to respond here because as a student of Tang Soo Do, I know that there are differences in the way people look when they are doing forms, but taking into account what form you are watching you must consider that amount of time the person has been training. After you can figure that, you can judge from there. Forms are my favorite thing to do, and I take pride in the way it will look, I work real hard and my instructors demand from me what they know I demand from myself. They usually spend much time helping me perfect my form and it never never ends. As my training continues, I can go back to the very 1st form and they will correct me based on my new level of experience. I do not like competitions for a few reasons, most importantly because you are judging the person at that time, at that moment. I don't believe that is a true reflection of how the person does his MA. But because people like to compete, I really hope that judges can seperate those beginners from experienced MA'ers. How unfair is it if someone who was high ranking in one discipline switches to another, begins as a white belt and competes? I have seen forms proformed sloppy in different styles, and I have seen some really nice Tang Soo Do forms, so I guess it all depends on who you are watching...maybe they didn't have my instructors!!! Tang Soo! Allison 4th Gup International Tang Soo Do MBS Karate, Newburgh, NY ------------------------------ From: Daremo and Kitsune Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 17:32:34 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: College Accredited Courses To List Members who teach an accredited college TKD/HKD course, Could you send me a copy of your basic course outline and syllabus? I'm trying to convince a local University to offer TKD and want some ideas on how these items are done. Thanks, Young Eun ------------------------------ From: Lee & Michele Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 17:55:10 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: eyeglasses in the dojang I am a relatively new list members who's just been "lurking" for awhile. I've enjoyed reading all the insightful postings, but so far haven't had much new to add. However, the subject of eyeglasses in the dojang particularly caught my attention. I've worn glasses for over 30 years. I can't wear contacts because of severe near-sightedness and astigmatism. I can't afford prescription goggles. So, when it comes to sparring, I take my glasses off and go without. It was pretty scary at first since my eyesight is so bad, but over the years, I've discovered that it may actually be beneficial to me. Since I can't see very well, I can't really focus on anything in particular. I think as a result my rods and cones kick in and I rely more on my peripheral vision. I think I'm quicker without my glasses. I see movement sooner with my peripheral vision than I would if I were tempted to focus in on one or more parts of the opponent's body. I realize that we shouldn't really focus on anything, but the temptation's always there. Since I can't see, there's no temptation! (Always look on the bright side!) :-) On the down side, one would think that my distancing would be off. But for reasons I can't figure out, my distancing and control is as good without glasses as it is with them on. Any other MAs have similar experiences? Thanks for your ear, Michele Weiland - -- Mutual respect always! Lee Olsen and Michele Weiland Wisconsin Ao Denkou Kai Port Washington, Wisconsin shelee@execpc.com http://www.execpc.com/~shelee/adk/adk.html ------------------------------ From: John Hancock <4karate@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 18:23:15 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #139 > From: Aaron Harmon > I have seen alot of "forms are useless" vs > "forms are full of wonderful technique" arguements, but I have never > heard of, nor seen someone take the techniques from their forms and > actually drill them with a partner. Well....let me be the first. I don't do One Steps past yellow belt. After that...all your one step and Hoshinsool techniques come directly from the forms. JH > ------------------------------ From: John Hancock <4karate@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 18:45:01 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #139 > I don't see how > self-defense is directly related to the type of forms that you practice. > If I understood your statements correctly, you believe differently. If I > am way off base here, please let me know. > > Chris Callahan Well.....yes...and....no. Sure...you can do some goofy forms..OH...say....like the Tae Gueks.....and you can spend hours on end practicing grappling and nerve strikes and self defense techniques to compensate for not getting any of this in your forms training....or you can practice forms that incorporates all of these elements already....OH...say.....like the Tang Soo Do forms......and you will learn nerve strikes and grappling and self defense as well as viable techniques you can put to use in ...OH...say.....free sparring. OK. I'll quit now. But you have to admit.....it is the wonder of ME that makes people read my posting. I'm sort of the "shock jock" of the Digest. ;-) JH ------------------------------ From: John Hancock <4karate@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 19:05:31 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #139 > I've heard of 'death matches', but never really thought that they > existed. Maybe I thought it was something that only happened in the > movies, or something. But the question I want to ask is: Are they > permissible by our art? Does anyone else see where I'm coming from, or can shed light > on the reason for such matches? Jana Jana....as I started this...maybe it would behoove me to put some clarity on it. I was as much shocked as you when I found out. See....I remember being there when Master Han had to leave Korea to go to Malaysia. We, the students of the dojang, were told it was because the Grandmaster had decided Master Han had to go to Malaysia to head up the program there. I found out later the real reason was because of a challenge that was issued to the MDK by another school to present a fighter for a match. Han was picked to represent the MDK. The way I got the story was during the match...Master Han kicked his opponent in the head....and the blow resulted in the death of his opponent. I think we can see how this can happen as it still happens even today in sport TKD...even with modern safety equipment. Anyway....as the match was a challenge match and not part of a sanctioned event...it was illegal...and therefore the death that resulted out of it could be considered criminal. For that reason...Master Han was ushered out of the country in under two weeks following the event. It is my understanding that there was some behind the door dealing done by MDK reps that smoothed the situation over so Master Han could return to Korea. WHich he eventually did. My source for this information is Master Phillip Suttle who said he was told the true facts by Master Han himself. Is it true? I believe so as I have no reason not to believe Master Suttle....and in my estimation...Master Han was not the kind to just make up such a story. The point is....Master Han nor the MDK set out to kill the other opponent. THe death was a result of the match...but both sides knew the risk was there as this was a bare knuckle...full contact...anything goes...true challenge match between two schools. It used to happen a lot...but today...it has finally become rare. I hope this helps. John Hancock ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:05:14 EST Subject: the_dojang: Maryland House Bill 113 Sorry this is so long, but I think you need to read this and understand wh= at legislators in Maryland are attempting to perpetrate: HOUSE BILL 1133 Unofficial Copy =09=091999 Regular Session C2 =09=099lr2207 =09=09 __________________________________________________________________________= ____ ______ By: Delegates Redmer and Klausmeier Introduced and read first time: February 25, 1999 Assigned to: Rules and Executive Nominations __________________________________________________________________________= ____ _______ A BILL ENTITLED 1 AN ACT concerning 2 =09=09=09=09Martial Art Competitions - Safety Requirements 3 FOR the purpose of prohibiting certain participants in a martial art competition from 4 =09using maneuvers that involve full head contact; requiring a marti= al art 5 =09competition organizer to provide a ringside physician at certain matches; 6 =09requiring a martial art competition organizer to provide notice o= f certain safety 7 =09requirements to competition participants; providing for criminal penalties for 8 =09violating certain safety requirements; defining certain terms; an= d generally 9 =09relating to safety requirements and procedures for martial art competitions. 10 BY adding to 11 =09Article - Business Regulation 12 =09Section 4-101(e), (f), and (g); and 4-501 through 4-504, inclusiv= e, to be under 13 =09=09the new subtitle "Subtitle 5. Martial Art Competitions" 14 =09Annotated Code of Maryland 15 =09(1998 Replacement Volume) 16 =09SECTION 1. BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF 17 MARYLAND, That the Laws of Maryland read as follows: 18 =09=09=09=09=09Article - Business Regulation 19 4-101. 20 =09(E)=09"FULL HEAD CONTACT" MEANS ANY FORM OF HEAD CONTACT THAT 21 CAUSES ABRASION, INJURY, OR THE FLOW OF BLOOD. 22 =09(F)=09"LIGHT HEAD CONTACT" MEANS ANY HEAD CONTACT THAT CAUSES 23 INCIDENTAL HEAD MOVEMENT WITH NO INJURY, ABRASION, OR FLOW OF BLOOD. 24 =09(G)=09(1)=09"MARTIAL ART" MEANS ANY FORM OF KARATE, KUNG FU, TAE = KWON 25 DO, OR ANY OTHER FORM OF UNARMED SELF-DEFENSE. 26 =09=09(2)=09"MARTIAL ART" DOES NOT INCLUDE BOXING, KICK BOXING, OR 27 WRESTLING. 2=09=09=09=09=09=09HOUSE BILL 1133 1 =09=09=09=09SUBTITLE 5. MARTIAL ART COMPETITIONS. 2 4-501. 3 =09(A)=09PARTICIPANTS IN A MARTIAL ART COMPETITION THAT INVOLVES 4 PHYSICAL CONTACT BETWEEN COMPETITORS AND WHO ARE RANKED AT LESS THAN 5 BLACK BELT LEVEL OR LESS THAN AN EQUIVALENT LEVEL IF THE STYLE OF 6 MARTIAL ART INVOLVED IN THE COMPETITION DOES NOT HAVE A BLACK BELT 7 LEVEL, MAY NOT USE MANEUVERS THAT INVOLVE FULL HEAD CONTACT. 8 =09(B)=09PARTICIPANTS WHO ARE RESTRICTED FROM USING MANEUVERS THAT 9 INVOLVE FULL HEAD CONTACT UNDER SUBSECTION (A) OF THIS SECTION MAY U= SE 10 MANEUVERS WHICH INVOLVE CONTROLLED LIGHT HEAD CONTACT. 11 =09(C)=09THIS SECTION DOES NOT APPLY TO ACCIDENTAL OR INCIDENTAL 12 CONTACT TO THE HEAD. 13 4-502. 14 =09IN ANY MARTIAL ART COMPETITION THAT IS EXPECTED TO INVOLVE PHYSIC= AL 15 CONTACT BETWEEN PARTICIPANTS, THE COMPETITION'S ORGANIZER SHALL 16 PROVIDE A RINGSIDE PHYSICIAN AT EACH MATCH. 17 4-503. 18 =09A MARTIAL ART COMPETITION'S ORGANIZER SHALL PROVIDE A WRITTEN 19 DISCLOSURE OF THE REQUIREMENTS UNDER =A7=A7 4-501 AND 4-502 OF THIS = SUBTITLE 20 TO COMPETITION PARTICIPANTS AS PART OF AN APPLICATION FORM. 21 4-504. 22 =09A PERSON WHO VIOLATES THIS SUBTITLE IS GUILTY OF A MISDEMEANOR AN= D, 23 ON CONVICTION, IS SUBJECT TO A FINE NOT EXCEEDING $2,000 OR IMPRISON= MENT 24 NOT TO EXCEED 6 MONTHS OR BOTH. 25 =09SECTION 2. AND BE IT FURTHER ENACTED, That this Act shall take ef= fect 26 October 1, 1999. Check TKD Quad and Sport TKD Today for more details. Ronda J. Sweet ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:19:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: from World SinMoo Hapkido Federation From DuJuNim JI, Han-jae. Ray - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- [all typos are mine] Dear Fellow Hapkido Enthusiasts, Please accept this letter as both notice and your personal invitation to be a part of the very special occasion in the history of the martial arts. As you may already know, 1999 marks "DoJuNim" (Honorable Founder of the Way) Ji, Han-jae's 50th anniversary in the martial arts. DoJuNim Ji, Han-jae is the founder of both Korean Hapkido and SinMoo Hapkido. A native of Andong, South Korea, DoJuNim Ji now resides in the United States. DoJuNim Ji's credits, to mention a few, include: founding the Korean self defense art of Hapkido, being a bodyguard to President Park of South Korea for 18 years, being featured in several martial arts motion pictures including Bruce Lee's "The Game of Death", teaching and training many of the world's leading martial arts masters. Many martial artists, coming from both far and near, have already registered for the Saturday, April 17th group training seminar and special recognition banquet and celebration to be held at the Philadelphia Airport Marriott Hotel and Convention Center. For those individuals who desire the ultimate martial arts training experience and a much more intimate seminar with DoJuNim Ji, the action will begin on Monday, April 12th. This most special Intensive Instructors Training Seminar with the Grandmaster will last for five days, Monday, April 12th through Friday April 16th. The 5-day intensive seminar will be held at Chief Master Ken and Sheryl MacKenzie's Hapkido Institute in Voorhees, New Jersey. Transportation to and from the airport to Voorhees can be arranged by the instructor staff of the host dojang. The special 5-day intensive seminar will prove to be the most incredible training experience of your martial arts career. The training may lead to certification and ranking opportunities for those who are interested and who qualify. All classes will be taught by DoJuNim Ji, Han-jae, with the support of his assistants. All techniques, whitebelt through 4th Dan Blackbelt will be covered during the week long seminar. In addition, the Grandmaster has offered to teach his most rare and highest level blackbelt techniques and will introduce the all new official SinMoo Hapkido dobak and special blackbelts. Participants will even have the opportunity to be photographed during the seminar and their pictures will be seen in the upcoming official SinMoo Hapkido training books/manuals. Video footage will also be taken of the entire event and may be used in the planned SinMoo video series. This is truely a once in a lifetime opportunity and your participation is requested by DoJuNim. The Saturday group seminar is broken into two sessions and is suitable to people of all ages and ranks. The banquet is an all inclusive event and martial artists of all ages and ranks are encouraged to attend. Many famous martial artists including Grandmaster Jhoon Rhee and Dr. He-Young Kimm also plan to attend. The Monday through Friday 5-day intensive seminar is designed for the serious martial artist and instructor. Note: You do not need to currently be a SinMoo Hapkido stylist to participate! Ray's summary: One day group seminar $55 Dan level and adults, $45 kids, $25 spectators, $10 parents Banquet $55 One day seminar and banquet $95, kids $85 5-Day Intensive Instructors seminar $500 For registration information contact Master Ken MacKenzie at 609-768-KICK or write to PO Box 262, Atco, NJ 08004 USA. Contact before April 1. ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:22:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #140 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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