From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #141 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 9 March 1999 Vol 06 : Num 141 In this issue: the_dojang: Maryland House Bill 113 the_dojang: ssireum - korean wrestling the_dojang: Do Ju Ji, Han Jae. the_dojang: Belts on the floor and more the_dojang: Maryland bill info? the_dojang: Re: V6 #139 tearing a form and still winning the_dojang: Re: V6 #140 state regulation Re: the_dojang: Do Ju Ji, Han Jae. the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #139 the_dojang: Sirrum the_dojang: Forms do not equal fighting ability the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Emil J. Fisk" Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 12:50:46 +0800 Subject: the_dojang: Maryland House Bill 113 I've got a lot to say about this Bill, but I'm afraid Ray probably wouldn't let me. Don't you love it when non-martial artists try to regulate what we practice without having any idea whatsoever about what it is that we do? At least that bill was only trying to regulate safety in tournaments. I remember a previous bill (can't remember where or when) that was trying to regulate what martial arts you could practice in different states, and what instructors were allowed to teach. That should make for an efficient art!! I remember a friend saying that when he got his black belt he had to register it with the local sheriff's office. This was somewhere in Michigan - - can't remember where either. he was considered a 'walking lethal weapon' and if anything happened that looked like it might have come from someone kicking a person or doing a 'karate-style-chop', he'd be one of the first people they'd look for. Has anybody else had to register their ranks and skills with local law enforcement departments or hear about this being done? Another thing I hate is when somebody's been attacked, and the news will say something like "he received a karate-kick to the abdominal area." This assuming that only martial artists know how to lift their feet higher than their knees. Sorry that I can never remember details to anything. If you really want to know the proper designations for the bills, I'm sure I could do a bit of research and find out. Emil Fisk fiskej@usa.net ------------------------------ From: "Emil J. Fisk" Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 12:57:04 +0800 Subject: the_dojang: ssireum - korean wrestling Hi, Thanks for all the information about ssireum. Cynthia from Turtle Press fowarded this URL to me which gives a brief background information on the art. It reminds me of sumo. If you're interested, check out : http://www.turtlepress.com/cgi-local/shop.pl/page=kca2.htm Emil Fisk ------------------------------ From: "G. Booth" Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 18:38:43 +1100 Subject: the_dojang: Do Ju Ji, Han Jae. Just some information to the list. Grandmaster Ji Han Jae has recenly changed the way he would like to be addressed and the proper way is either Do Ju Nim (No name after the title) or Do Ju Ji, Han Jae. Currently Do Ju Nim is holding seminars here in Australia and we are at day 3 of a 6 day course. Sunday the 6th was a one day seminar with over 90 attending and 25 hardy souls are working their way through the week. I would like to pass on Do Ju Nim's regards to the list members and he is looking forward to the festivities in April. I hope to see all those who attend during this great event. Regards Master Geoff J. Booth Australasian Sin Moo Hapkido Representative Australian Hapkido Group http://hapkido.netro.com.au "The art is in the person, all we have to do is bring it out" ------------------------------ From: alrac@iprolink.ch (Jeff Moore) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:23:39 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Belts on the floor and more >From: "Jamaica Power" >Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 12:11:25 PST >Subject: the_dojang: Belts on the floor and more > >I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who winces when I see a trail of >old belts strewn across the floor of the dressing rooms. JB >________________________________ > >And this made me think of something else regarding respect and such and >manuals. When I first started martial arts I was taught that every time >you approached a black belt you bowed and that you never walked in front >of the higher belt, you always walked around behind them. Is this still >taught in the schools or are things more informal now? > > >Jamaica >jamaica_power@hotmail.com In our school we genuflect to blackbelts. ;^) ________________ Jeff Moore Geneva, Switzerland alrac@iprolink.ch ------------------------------ From: Fred Madero Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:35:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Maryland bill info? Ronda J. Sweet wrote; <slow, kinooki style when required You've used a term I'm not familiar with. Could you explain "kinooki", please? Tang Soo! Scott A. Miller samiller@bix.com samiller@cyberenet.net ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 09:14:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V6 #140 state regulation At least their hypocrisy is out in the open. I wonder how the tax revenues from the excluded arts compare to the included ones :<( >"MARTIAL ART" DOES NOT INCLUDE BOXING, KICK BOXING, OR > 27 WRESTLING. Tang Soo! Scott A. Miller samiller@bix.com samiller@cyberenet.net ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 06:38:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Do Ju Ji, Han Jae. > Grandmaster Ji Han Jae has recenly changed the way he would like to be > addressed and the proper way is either Do Ju Nim (No name after the title) > or Do Ju Ji, Han Jae. Hi Geoff, Yes, I posted that letter to the list a few weeks ago. The one with info on the new title, uniforms, books, belts, videos, etc. that was sent to the area reps. However, the letter that arrived yesterday (and posted yesterday), from Chief Master MacKenzie, used the title/name as DoJuNim Ji. So there may have been a slight change there... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:58:40 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #139 At least in the school where I study, we are supposed to bow to black belts. The walking around business is resticted to class only, and then only during certain times or drills. The school is in New York, which may explain much. JB ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:29:33 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Sirrum >Is there any form of Korean wrestling? I realize that judo is very popular in Korea, but I have this vague memory of something similar to wrestling and judo, but it was an older Korean style. Does anybody what I'm talking about, and what the differences would be between this and Japanese styles of grappling?< I don't know if this has been answered or not, but the Korean wrestling style that you speak of is Sirrum. It is very similar to Sumo except that there are different weight classes and the players start in a clinched postition. It looks like a good mixture of western style wrestling and eastern sumo. The players wear wrestling outfits and are fitted with a "thong" like belt (I don't know any of the technical names) like that of a sumo wrestler. There are female, as well as male, players in this. I believe the current heavy weight champion is about 7'0" (An extreme giant in Korea) he is quite built too. I saw him on a Korean show that my wife watches. Jeremy ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:40:34 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Forms do not equal fighting ability Master Hancock wrote: "See....it is crap like this that makes me not respect these NEW TKD forms. They are put together like pieces of a puzzle by a retarded person. There isn't a single move in the CLASSICAL forms that is for just Meditative or Show purposes. It is no wonder that the majority of TKD practitioners in this country have to spend 15 years studying before they can halfway keep from getting the floor mopped with their ass by some guy named stinky that never took a lesson but fought every day on the playground...." First of all the Taeguk forms were put together to introduce the students to certain techniques at certain levels. True that they are not a pretty or "spiritual" as "classical" forms, but they do serve a purpose. I don't know if Mr. Hancock called Dr. Kim, or any of the other people involved in the development of the Taeguk forms, but perhaps they could give him more detailed information. Secondly, forms do not have anything to do with fighting ability. They are pre-arranged movements to help a practitioner develope their technique. I don't know what type of TKD practitioners Mr. Hancock is use to sparring against, but I do know some that can hold their own both in and out of the ring. Remember great forms ability has nothing to do with great fighting ability. So why make a conclusion? (By the way I do prefer the classical forms to the new taeguks and I practice TKD as well as SBD, HKD and Kempo. So I am not a die hard TKD player who is being offended, I am a martial artist who believes that Mr. Hancock is wrong.) Jeremy JeremyT@atfi.com Horangi99@compuserve.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:06:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #141 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, California Taekwondo Standard disclaimers apply.