From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #163 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 23 March 1999 Vol 06 : Num 163 In this issue: the_dojang: hapkido, kuksool and similar systems. the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #162 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #162 the_dojang: 1-800-TKD-FEAR the_dojang: Your Destiny the_dojang: Re: April/Alain the_dojang: Re: kids on the dojang the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #162 the_dojang: In Young Ryu the_dojang: With Shoes/Without Shoes Re: the_dojang: hapkido, kuksool and similar systems. the_dojang: Changing of forms the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Fortin" Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 22:41:59 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: hapkido, kuksool and similar systems. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE73EC.0834B2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kuk Sool Won, Hapkido and similar by the number technique systems, = are great to memorize the hundreds of self defense techniques. I have = notice; most Kuk Sool and Hapkido classes do not teach the "fighting = concepts" on how to use the techniques in a real combat situation. Not = to many fights begin with the attacker grabbing the victims wrist. Chris - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE73EC.0834B2A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Kuk Sool Won, Hapkido and similar by the number = technique=20 systems, are great to memorize the hundreds of self defense techniques. = I have=20 notice; most Kuk Sool and Hapkido classes do not teach the = "fighting=20 concepts" on how to use the techniques in a real combat situation. = Not to=20 many fights begin with the attacker grabbing the victims wrist.

Chris

- ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE73EC.0834B2A0-- ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:48:14 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #162 In a message dated 3/22/99 6:58:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Historically chew, spittoons and cuspidors have been the gentleman's choice. >> Well that's a part of history best left there, in my opinion. (For gentleman and others, as well.) SESilz ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:54:09 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #162 In a message dated 3/22/99 6:58:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I am happy that it has not entered your dojang. >> I am too, especially since my dojang is shy a spitoon! SES ------------------------------ From: Gregg London Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:17:06 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: 1-800-TKD-FEAR In response to Jamaica Power's request for information on telephone resource lines - "...public school systems have been using similar systems...push #1 for white/yellow belt info., #2 school hours..." These systems, based on business phone Auto Attendants, can provide considerable information with the simple press of a telephone key sequence. However, given the vast amount of information that you intend to present (curriculum, testing requirements, assignments, etc.), it may prove counterproductive. If someone has to write down more than one or two sentences, they will most likely request it in writing from the School. Obviously the best way to disseminate volumes of information is via the Internet. Realizing that some schools don't have a web site, and that some families don't have internet access; it still may be better to have printouts available. Or diskettes with applicable files. In my experience with installing Auto Attendants and the newer Interactive Voice Response systems, the information presented must be brief, and necessary (bank balances, credit card purchases, etc.) otherwise it will not be used. While I applaud the idea, I think it should be limited to: hours of operation, upcoming events, and weather related closings (if you live in an area with inclement weather). Respectfully, Gregg London - -- Gregg London Consulting Internet/Notes Development http://www.glondon.com Corporate/Trade Show Magic 703-242-7548 Tournament Automation Services ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 06:01:15 PST Subject: the_dojang: Your Destiny When did you know you wanted to be a martial artist? Was it a calling (so to speak). Did you always know or did you stumble into it like me and then it became a passionate part of your life. With martial arts I stumbled into it but when I was little I always knew I wanted to play piano and be a concert pianist. When I was four years old I used to sit on the couch and while watching Liberace on TV I used to play fake piano on the side board of the couch. Was never a doubt in my mind. I was hooked. So I am most passionate about both of these activities but how I was brought to them was certainly different. Feel it was your destiny or just something that happened as with other things in life? If it wasn't your calling then what prompted you to stay with the martial arts. What fuel ignited your passion and commitment? Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com We can't run from who we are, Our destiny chooses us. Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:04:02 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: April/Alain << Yi Saeng just called from Seoul and she has the visa. Now we can get a plane ticket for her to come over. She should be here in April. >> Congrats Alain. April is the best time to be in love ;0) BTW, I'm glad you're still with the list. I had thought you'd had enough but my memory could be wrong. Congrats again, Dawne ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:12:45 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: kids on the dojang Hey folks, I think all of this foul language that happens to sneak it's way into some peoples posts is totally uncalled for, disrespectful and childish. We should all be more considerate of others. Aren't we intelligent enough to make our points without that kind of talk? Plus, there are probably some kids around that read these posts. Do you want your kids reading language like this? I know... some of you are thinking "so what, the kids use that language everyday". I don't care, we don't need to contribute to it. __We should be setting the example.__ I feel this should also include these "censured" cuss word we see once in a while. Thanks for listening. Chris Callahan I agree Chris. When my son becomes an independent reader I will not suggest he join the list. ------------------------------ From: "Michael Sarles" Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 07:22:04 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #162 > > >> Have any of you trained under Masters that > changed forms to suit how they believed they should be performed or > created new ones to further the Art or your training?<< > > I have. My last school was Bae's Tae Kwon Do Academy (now Baeplex) > in Newport News. Master A.D. Bae was a student of GM Won Kuk Lee > (Oh Do Kwan founder, if I've got my kwans correct), so he comes from > pretty traditional lineage. However, over the years, he adapted the WTF > Tae Geuk forms to incorporate some additional movements from other > arts. It was hard to get used to after coming from a WTF school that > taught the straight forms, and it's hard to get used to not doing > it now that [2nd snip!] I too worked under a gentleman by the name of Master Steven Bettencourt. He was a very knowledgable instructor and the students generally turned to him for information on forms and such. Well, during my stay in that organization, I don't know HOW MANY TIMES forms were tweaked because he had just found out that 'this' move was a little incorrect or 'that' move needed to be changed a little. After awhile, we found ourselves going back to the old move (which was now a new move) ... the forms were always changing. Now that we are with a different ogranization, our instructor purchased the Gen. Choi legacy CD - so now we have a static example of how the forms should be done and we won't have to keep tweaking our students. Michael Sarles msarles@ior.com ------------------------------ From: "James R. Donley" Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:17:47 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: In Young Ryu >> What helped me out was a new set of dedicated sparring forms (In Young Ryu) >> that Master Kim developed. > >Can you tell us more about these sparring forms? On the average how many >moves per form? Perhaps describe one, if they are short, or a portion of >one? > >Ray Terry >raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Sure, I'd be happy to share! There are a total of 50 In Young Ryu forms, each having from 4 to 22 movements, most having 10 give or take. The forms are all offense, there is no defense in these forms as they are designed to be broken down to bridge easily and effectively into sparring, be it one step, three step or free sparring. Mae Bong San has 9 movements and is the first of the 50 In Young Ryu forms. The nature of all In Young Ryu forms is an attack followed by a number of lightning fast followup attacks. This form provides a substantial range of attacks from knee to neck as well as points between. All of the In Young Ryu forms are to be learned bi-directionally or as a mirror image. The following example leads with a front kick with the left leg paired with a knife hand strike with the left arm. The mirror would have you starting with a kick from the right leg and a chop with the right arm. To help address the issues of facing, I will use the compass coordinates for facing changes. North will be the initial facing, West will be a 90 degree turn to the left from the initial facing. South will be the opposite direction of North. East will be a 90 degree turn to the right from the initial facing. From fighting stance (left foot leading): 1.Right Leg: Front kick, down into power stance. 2.Right Arm: Knife hand strike. 3.Left Arm: Reverse knife hand strike - Left hand comes palm up, down from above. 4.Left Leg: Front kick, down into power stance. Right Leg: Steps behind left leg into an X stance (left foot flat on ground, right toes and ball of right foot behind and to the left of the left heel so front of right ankle touches rear of left ankle.) Facing changes from forward (North) to the right (East). 5.As toes touch ground, Left Arm: Knife hand strike. 6.Squat down in X stance. Left Arm: Knife hand strike. 7.Rise out of X stance, Right Leg: steps back into power stance as Left Arm: Knife hand strike. Facing returns to forward (North.) 8.Right Arm: Punch. 9.Left Arm: Punch. KIYUP! Change facing (South) by pivoting to the inside on the balls of your feet (right foot leading) into a fighting stance. 10.Left Leg: Front kick, down into a power stance. 11.Left Arm: Knife hand strike. 12.Right Arm: Reverse knife hand strike - Right hand comes palm up, down from above. 13.Right Leg: Front kick, down into power stance. Left Leg: Steps behind right leg into an X stance (right foot flat on ground, left toes and ball of left foot behind and to the right of the right heel so front of left ankle touches rear of right ankle.) Facing changes from forward (South) to the left (East). 14.As toes touch ground, Right Arm: Knife hand strike. 15.Squat down in X stance. Right Arm: Knife hand strike. 16.Rise out of X Stance, Left Leg: steps back into power stance as Right Arm: Knife hand strike. Facing returns to forward (South.) 17.Left Arm: Punch. 18.Right Arm: Punch. KIYUP! Change facing (North) by pivoting to the inside on the balls of your (right foot leading) into a fighting stance. Our web site has a complete list of forms and number of movements one it. I'm trying to get additional forms detailed and posted but I've only gotten the first two so far. Our web site is www.enteract.com/~jrdonley/tkd/index.html Look for the link for In Young Ryu for more information on these forms or ask as I'd be more than happy to fill in missing pieces. ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:07:27 PST Subject: the_dojang: With Shoes/Without Shoes In your style of m.a. do you train with shoes or without shoes? What are the advantages and disadvantages. Does your organization require it? If you train with shoes and then go to a tournament that does not permit shoes is there a disadvantage? Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:23:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: hapkido, kuksool and similar systems. Please do NOT send HTML to the list. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Kenneth W. Legendre" Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:03:30 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Changing of forms Hello First off I want to thank everyone who contributed to my question on how to get the new student to try and fight. Second, I have trained at many schools throughout my TKD career. Mostly because Ive been away at school and it took me a while to find a school I was comfortable with. Ive had to learn forms from several different people who taught them very differently, and Ive had to relearn forms now that Im back to my original school that over the course of almost 10 years have been changed. It can be very frustrating at times, but when forms have been changed there has always been a reason for the change. This reason has helped me gain a better understanding of what the form is about. Now for my question. About a month ago I was picked to lead a promotion for temporary black belts. (I was not grading, just calling out techniques) This is the most difficult test at our school as at this level you are actually considered a 1st Dan. One of the requirements that I was asked to have the testees do was to either add a move into a form such as in Chon-Ji downblock kick punch instead of downblock punch, or to have the testees do each technique 2 time. Has anybody else heard of or done this in a testing situation? If so what did you think about it and why was it done? Thanks again Ken Legendre 2nd Dan TKD kwlegen@ilstu.edu ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:47:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #163 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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