From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #173 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 27 March 1999 Vol 06 : Num 173 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Goin Ahead the_dojang: Re: learning new forms the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #172 the_dojang: Hang A Star Athletes - Olympic Qualifier the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #172 the_dojang: Dodging an assailant the_dojang: Caffeine and Olympic Hopeful Female Athletes the_dojang: burn out (fwd) the_dojang: Question for Historians About Women Warriors the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stan Lim Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:02:04 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Goin Ahead >Subject: the_dojang: Goin Ahead > >Do any of the instructors here feel it would be disrespectful for a student to >learn form ahead of his belt through a video tape or book ? Speaking as a student, I've had instructors in both camps. My ITF instructor encouraged us to learn as many forms as we can remember. He would start the entire class at the lowest forms, and as each belt completed their respective forms, he would have them bow out. Students were allowed to have a break while the higher belts continued, but they could also stay at the back of the class and follow the seniors in the higher belt forms. I love forms, and a few of us would "compete" to see how many forms we could memorize. As a 4th Kup, I remember learning up to the 2nd or 1st Kup forms. I also recall trying to learn the black belt form, but I only managed to get 1/3 of the way though. That was all in the distant past. In my current dojang, we all start at the lower belt forms, but as the instructor excuses the lower belts, he always tell us to practice our own forms. Indirectly, this pervents us from learning higher belt forms during class time, unless we get promoted and he teaches us our new form. That said, he didn't voice any objection when I showed him a CD-ROM I had purchased that had all the TaeGeuk forms on it. That reminds me... where *IS* that CD? :-) My 2 cents... Stan Lim 3rd Kup, WTF-TKD San Jose, CA ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:33:09 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: learning new forms You wrote: <> Why feel the need to learn something ahead of your level? Is it because you are bored with the instruction? When you say learn the form through a video/book, that implies you are not asking the instructor whether you are ready for the next form (or to teach you)? Take Care, Peter M. mjmpmm@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:35:55 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #172 Laura K. wrote: <> Congratulations on your promotion! Sorry for your loss. Take Care, Peter M. mjmpmm@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Peter Bardatsos Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:00:56 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Hang A Star Athletes - Olympic Qualifier The following posting is courtesy of "Hang a Star" - an organization for Amateur Athletes. ****************************************************************** HANG A STAR ATHLETES PLACE 100% OF OLYMPIC WEIGHT DIVISIONS God has blessed us and Hang A Star athletes have place 75% of the men's Pan American Games team last weekend at the US Pan American / Olympic Qualifiers. Out of that 75%, it represents 100% of the men's Olympic Team. So, in effect Hang A Star now has placed 100% of the US Olympic team division. This is Olympic history... There is a very unique story behind the creation of Hang A Star and human interest in the athlete's personal struggles. For more information on these athletes review there profiles at http://www.hangastar.com There names are: Peter Bardatsos, Jason Torres and Steven Lopez. The Hang A Star website was created to help all amateur athletes to receive some notoriety and secure sponsorships. It features many athletes from a variety of sports, and more are added every month. Thank you very much for taking the time to read this email. For more information visit the web site. - -- Article by Paris Amani Amateur Athlete's Network, L.L.C. http://www.hangastar.com http://www.amateur-athletes.com - -- Sincerely, Peter Bardatsos 6-time US Team Member and US Team Captain Bardatsos Taekwondo ** http://www.bardatsostkd.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:39:58 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #172 In a message dated 3/26/99 10:58:09 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Do any of the instructors here feel it would be disrespectful for a student to learn form ahead of his belt through a video tape or book ? >> I personally point out that while I appreciate the dedication, I question the motivation. Why learn ahead? Are you so egotistical that you have to show everyone up. And my final comment on it is always - let's see what you should know on for this belt? Have you mastered everything? And depending on how the "knowledge" was demonstrated - like "LOOK I KNOW THE NEXT FORM UP!", I do a careful critique of the techniques which were to be mastered for that rank. And then I toss in the lecture on patience for good measure. I encourage people to excel and learn and find things on their own. But usually when someone is trying to "get ahead" it is for a motivation which is not in keeping with the tenets of TKD as I know them. Ronda J. Sweet ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:37:57 PST Subject: the_dojang: Dodging an assailant I stopped by a school the other night only briefly to drop off some materials but as I was there I listened to one of the instructors teaching some self defense techniques. Now granted I did not hear the whole class and this is somewhat out of context but the instructor told the students that when there is no help available you should try and dodge your opponent to tire them out. Could anybody please expand on this thought. I'd appreciate it. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:49:05 PST Subject: the_dojang: Caffeine and Olympic Hopeful Female Athletes I was doing some reading and found the following article which I thought some might find interesting. There's always so much talk about banned substances that sometimes we don't see much written on other enhancers like nicotene and caffeine. I found this article especially interesting since it was studying the effect of caffeine use in olympic hopeful females and contrasting it's effectiveness compared to male usage. Our young athletes are being exposed to a whole new dimension of training with the introduction of the Olympics to TKD. So for those interested...FYI http://www.uoguelph.ca/atguelph/96-04-17/caffeine.html Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:43:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: burn out (fwd) forwarding, sent to the wrong address. Ray - ----------------------------------------------------------- Forwarded message: From AddidasTKD@aol.com Sat Mar 27 13:32:30 1999 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 16:23:13 EST To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: burn out <> Steve-- Plain and simple, you should take a temporary hiatus and chill from all the physical stuff! It's good that you don't want to give up your TKD training, but at the same time you need to guard yourself from burn out. Take yourself a lil' vacation, maybe a week or two or three, as some people have suggested in earlier responses, where you don't do ANY exercising. Then when you get back in, moderate what you do. If you choose to cross-train, do it only a couple times a week, i.e. run on the days you don't go to class and maybe choose one of those days to run to the gym and hit the weights or kick the bag... but don't compile it so you're doing several things everyday. I learned the hard way--running five times a week and going to class two of those days AND going to the gym was a baaaaaaaaad idea. :) But, like with food, take it in moderation. You probably will need to take a break from all your physical training to get your strength back, but I have faith, as others on this forum do, that you will bounce back with much more resolve after you take some time off. Kim Jones addidastkd@aol.com "All warfare is based on deception." --Sun Tzu, "The Art of War" ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:39:41 PST Subject: the_dojang: Question for Historians About Women Warriors During your studies have any of you found interesting information about prominent women in the martial arts and the roles they played in the m.a. world. Their contributions? Over time I have come across a few names. I've also learned as in all cultures just because the documentation isn't as readily available doesn't mean there weren't any women in the m.a. world even way back when. Sometimes quite the contrary. If you have any knowledge of particular women in any of the martial arts would you mind sharing? Thanks. And for the other women warriors on the list I came across this Brave Women Warriors of Greek Myth web page. I'm posting it because you just don't see too much discussion about women warrriors in any culture. http://whoosh.org/issue12/ruffel3.html#listing Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 14:36:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #173 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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