From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #174 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 28 March 1999 Vol 06 : Num 174 In this issue: the_dojang: Sibling Rivalries the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #172 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #173 the_dojang: rightie vs leftie the_dojang: forms ahead of time the_dojang: Gender Specific Trophies/Medals the_dojang: How Much Do We Really Care? the_dojang: Re: Dodging for SD kinda silly the_dojang: Why Do We Applaud Injuries? Re: the_dojang: rightie vs leftie the_dojang: are your posts being bounced back??? the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 14:45:49 PST Subject: the_dojang: Sibling Rivalries So very many families train together in the martial arts and it's a wonderful thing to see. But I've on occasion seen some sibling rivalries in the dojang and tournaments. Sometimes friendly rivalry and sometimes very competitive especially if like say two brothers are in the same age/weight category. Sometimes the competition can also fuel the training. Anybody else have experience with this? Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:52:14 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #172 In a message dated 3/26/99 9:03:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << from the "blindly following my teacher/organization" types. >> Mr. Giddins, I cannot tell with certainty whether you feel following one's master blindly is good, or bad, or otherwise... but I can say in the world of the martial arts it has worked beautifully for far too long to be dismissed as a viable instructional method. SESilz ------------------------------ From: "wayne allen" Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:26:13 PST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #173 > >From: "Jamaica Power" >Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:49:05 PST >Subject: the_dojang: Caffeine and Olympic Hopeful Female Athletes > >I was doing some reading and found the following article which I thought >some might find interesting. There's always so much talk about banned >substances that sometimes we don't see much written on other enhancers >like nicotene and caffeine. >http://www.uoguelph.ca/atguelph/96-04-17/caffeine.html > It is a nice article, however caffeine at any level is already a banned substance in the Olympics. Can't see the reason to test its effects if the use of it is a no-no. Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Mike Heeney Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 17:15:20 +1200 Subject: the_dojang: rightie vs leftie Stan Lim wrote: "Being a "rightie" my right kicks are stronger. A few of us in my dojang have noticed however, that our left legs seem to be more flexible, i.e. kicks are higher or more "relaxed". Anyone else notice this? My theory is that the right leg provides more stable support when we kick with the left, hence the greater flexibility." Yep, I've noticed. I too am a rightie. Shame, shame. I know I should work harder on the left side, but whenever I spar I tend to throw 80% of kicks with right leg... The only _really_ comfortable kick with left leg is back kick. But this is for sparring. Other than that, left leg is just as happy to kick, and like you say often kicks higher and more relaxed. That theory you mention above sounds good, however for me that isn't all of it, as I am more flexible on my left side anyway. Another question for the list - if you are a rightie or a leftie, as opposed to those lucky enough to be happy either side - which foot do you like to have in front? Your good side? Or the side you don't use much? As for me, I kick with my right leg, and it stays in front just about all the time. Maybe this comes from years of fencing? Who knows... I only go left leg forward if I'm gonna try sommink, or if I can anticipate what they're gonna do, and wanna hit them with a good ol' padduh chagi - with my right leg of course ;) Mike Hamilton New Zealand. http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~mheeney <-- me/myself/I - Taekwondo - Riverdance ------------------------------ From: Mike Heeney Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 17:23:38 +1200 Subject: the_dojang: forms ahead of time Someone (no name/email) asked: "Do any of the instructors here feel it would be disrespectful for a student to learn form ahead of his belt through a video tape or book ?" As for me, I don't really think of it as disrespectful. But then when the student reaches that particular level, what are they gonna learn then? I mean I don't want a yellow belt knowing all the Taegeuks... At my club, once students reach green belt, I start showing them (well, those who are keen) the rest of the Palgwe forms. Here in NZ we do the first two Palgwes, before switching to the Taegeuk set at yellow belt (10 grades -> 10 forms). They aren't ever tested on these of course. They only _have_ to know the first two, but like I say if they wanna learn them, that's cool with me. I'm a bit of a forms guy myself, which is why I went off and learnt them. I also know up to the 4th dan form, although this is a long time and a couple of dans away... Mike Hamilton New Zealand. http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~mheeney <-- me/myself/I - Taekwondo - Riverdance ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 06:42:22 PST Subject: the_dojang: Gender Specific Trophies/Medals A very, very long time ago when I was competing - my competition buddy was a 10 year old girl. She was incredibly gifted in the world of athletics be it gymnastics or TKD or basketball. Her parents couldn't attend her TKD competitions and so she was entrusted to me and we became the best of friends in every way. She was my training buddy, my competition buddy, my friend and I was her friend and coach and advisor. Well one day we were going to compete and we both won. I was delighted and we both went to pick up our trophies. And out of the mouth of babes, came the following....she wanted to know why there weren't any "Girl" trophies. Why both of us had won the gold in sparring, forms, and breaking and yet the trophies were "men" trophies. I smiled at the time realizing I was so happy just to get a trophy and here a 10 year old girl realized the importance of receiving a "girl/woman" figurehead on the trophy. At that time I had a difficult time explaining this to her. Since then I have competed in a few tournaments that had trophies with a woman depicted with say a ponytail; placed on the trophy so there was no question as to whether the trophy was female/male/unisex. Is this something you consider when ordering trophies and medals, or plaques? Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 07:01:44 PST Subject: the_dojang: How Much Do We Really Care? Hi - the following are statements of fact are for further discussion and not something I am proud of. But I wanted to share my personal past history for discussion on this topic because I know it still occurs. When I was very intense in TKD there was absolutely nothing that could stop me. Whether it be competition, refer'ing, coaching, daily training in the dojang. Sadly something happened during that time. I had sustained a number of very severe injuries and illness. At the time I was going to test for my 2nd Dan in one of the martial arts. I was in my physicians office and in consultation with my physical therapist. Both advised me NOT to test for second dan in the physical condition I was in; both said even though they recommended this they knew I would test anyway. And they were correct. They also stated that they felt my pain more than I did. They said I no longer even felt pain. A sad but true testament. And they were right. They taped me up and sent me on my way. I asked them if my in my worse case scenario if I were to sustain further damage if it would be a permanent disability. They said, yes, and yet it didn't register or matter to me. I could have cared less. (I am not proud of this nor am I like this today). When I tested I knew that I would be very clumsy to say the least at doing a back spinning kick through 3 boards because of some of my injuries and this is one of the kicks my GM was expecting of me. So what I did was practice doing a knife hand through 2 boards and an elbow strike through 3 boards; hoping to compensate for my backspinning kick. What is sad is that nobody threw in the towel for me at that time. Whether it was in a match in a tournament or a testing. What they did was expect even more of me. My instructors didn't say, you are hurting, you need a break, they said, "More.... give us more, you are not maximizing your potential. Looking at me you would never have probably known the pain I was in. In some of the classes they called me "Drill Sargent" for my tenacity and strength and perseverance. If that's what you want to call it. Now I look back with sadness and I admire the coaches that throw in the towel during a match for their students when they realize they shouldn't be competing anymore. Even though their students might become very belligerent. Also on this note is the subject of tapping out. When you have somebody on the mat that won't tap out what do you do? Do you continue to increase the pressure. Do you understand that there are people like I used to be that were in a state of mind that would not tap out even if you broke their arm? That somehow the receptors of physical pain were not reaching the mind? When does an instructor throw in the towel? When does the instructor tell a student to tap out? Or do you? When do you tell a student not to test? Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "John Bennett" Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 09:08:45 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Dodging for SD kinda silly >the instructor told >the students that when there is no help available you should try and >dodge your opponent to tire them out. Sounds kinda silly to me Jamaica. If a person has the time and opportunity to "dodge", I would think that they have the time and opportunity to run away. ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 08:37:48 PST Subject: the_dojang: Why Do We Applaud Injuries? This is a followup thought to my last post on throwing in the towel. It's a thought I've never truly comprehended and would appreciate additional input. Why do you think it is that we applaud individuals that compete with injuries instead of pulling them from competition? This in no way is meant to be a judgmental post nor am I referring to anyone in particular only to my own past experiences. I'm generalizing for the sake of discussion. I'm just very curious. See for me when I was injured it would have been more difficult if someone threw in the towel. Applauding me for persevering while I was injured was actually the easy part. (I only speak for myself). Easy in the sense that I was more like a person that was for lack of a better descriptor, "Slapped silly." Once you're in that state of mind or zone you are not even comprehending what is occurring. Oh, it eventually catches up with you as the years go on. That's a fact. But at the time that's not a consideration. Why do we even permit competitors to compete if we know they are injured? Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 08:45:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: rightie vs leftie Interesting thing about right vs. left. I'm right footed. But I notice that if I work on a kick using my left leg that my right leg automatically gets better, even w/o practice. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 10:25:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: are your posts being bounced back??? FYI... Are few people have mentioned that their posts to the list are getting bounced back with a 'user unknown'. - -IF- you notice a 'relay.orbs.org' mentioned in the bounced back e-mail header then your e-mail is being bounced back because of the following... (from my limited understanding of this stuff) Check out the site http://www.orbs.org It is an attempt to filter out SPAM. There are sites that allow anyone and everyone to route e-mail through their site. I believe this is called open routing and it is a bad thing, bad in the sense that anyone (i.e. a SPAMmer) can send out their (mostly) worthless e-mail. Sites that allow open routing get listed in the database maintained by www.orbs.org, businesses check incoming e-mail against that database, if it comes from a site listed in the database it is rejected. This does not mean that YOUR site is a site that permits spam. It means that your site is routing through a site that permits spam, perhaps w/o their knowledge. So, if you submit a post to the list and it is bounced back with a 'user unknown' look for a line in the header mentioning relay.orbs.org. If you see relay.orbs.org tell your postmaster (postmaster@your.domainname) to check out www.orbs.org and to please route through a site that does not permit open routing. A much better explanation can be found at http://www.orbs.org. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 10:26:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #174 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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