From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #183 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 3 April 1999 Vol 06 : Num 183 In this issue: the_dojang: Front Kick-Response to Ray the_dojang: Happy Easter and Belt Testing, Colored and Black the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #182 the_dojang: Burnout & Plateaus the_dojang: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:=A0_Working_through_a_plateau?= the_dojang: Re: signing yer name the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #182 the_dojang: Re: mpegs of ITF patterns the_dojang: American Council on Exercise (ACE) the_dojang: Taekkyon Renaissance -Article from Korea Herald the_dojang: Re: Plateaus the_dojang: Blind Obediance - Confucianism in America the_dojang: Re: knife forms the_dojang: Easter Bunny ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:16:25 PST Subject: the_dojang: Front Kick-Response to Ray As for doubles, I feel there should be a *distinct* chamber for the second kick. Does that help any? > Frequently when the kicks are very high the foot is also not extended properly. I think I did ok there. Ray ___________________________________________ Certainly does help. Thanks for the reply. Nice picture of the front kick and yes I'd say you do more than okay in your execution of the kick. I was taught by two different instructors not to execute the kick head high but more chest high and to be very distinct on the double kicks. But at tournaments lots of people go for height and their doubles; well they look more like they are sliding from one kick to the next instead of executing two kicks in quick succession and even the first kick frequently looks more like a leg lift stretching exercise than a front kick, expecially when they start leaning their body and shoulder into the kick. Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:35:50 PST Subject: the_dojang: Happy Easter and Belt Testing, Colored and Black Well Happy Easter to those that celebrate it. May you have a peaceful and enjoyable weekend. When you have testings do you test colored belts with the black belts on the same day? And if yes who goes first the black belts so the colored belts can watch and learn, or do the colored belts go first so they don't have to wait so long? Do your blackbelts volunteer to work the testing or do you appoint them (if they aren't testing themselves)? How do you select which of your blackbelts will sit and judge at the head table with the instructors and GM. Or do you invite blackbelts from other schools to do the testing and perhaps some demos? And one last question, if you have more than one school do all your schools combine for a testing. Do you find their skills levels to be fairly consistent? Is their any friendly competitiveness between the schools? Thanks Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Lee & Michele Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 10:56:28 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #182 Susan, Hang in there! I know how you feel. I beganTKD when I was 38 and my son was 9 too. I remember a time around green belt that I felt the same as you do now. When I was just beginning, everything about TKD was new and exciting and challenging. I was working so hard just to keep up, i didn't even have time to think about getting bored, discouraged, or anything else. It all just felt so good and challenging. I knew I was doing something good for myself in so many ways. After things started coming together (a little!), I had a few seconds here and there to begin analyzing my performance. As I became more knowledgeable, I started seeing more and more mistakes that I was making. I started becoming more critical of my techniques and I began getting discouraged. I also had a few seconds to look around and see that sometimes I wasn't doing quite as well as the other (usually younger) students around me. New things weren't coming as quickly now, I had to work on improving techniques and this slowed things down quite a bit. My son wasn't working out with me then, so I didn't have that challenge. He works out with me now, my husband and I have been training him over the last few years. Perhaps you can ask one of your fellow students to sort of "mentor" your son so you can concentrate on motivating yourself and pushing yourself through this plateau. My son ended up with a surregate "uncle" by doing this and now they also have a relationship outside the dojang as well. It would probably be good for both of you. It's also good for your son to see you continue pushing yourself through ups and downs. I continued pushing myself through this plateau, and it picked up a bit as I neared black belt. I had a more reachable, short-term goal in sight. I hit another huge plateau between 1st and 2nd dan. I began more cross training at that point. Most of us hit several plateaus in our MA training. It's natural. I've also noticed that a lot of people make the decision to drop out of MA at the green/blue belt level. Also, many people drop out after they get their 1st dan. I guess they think that's the end rather than just the beginning... Anyway, I encourage you to hang in there. It's worth it! :-) Michele Weiland > From: > Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:10:31 EST > Subject: the_dojang: Re: Working through a plateau > > Hi to all! > I'm new to TKD, having just earned my green stripe for my yellow belt > this week. I've been training for ten months. I don't have enough > experience with this to know how to work through a plateau, and what to > expect from these sort of ups and downs in training. At this point, I am > training more intensively, but I don't feel that I'm progressing much. I > know alot of people out there have trained for many years, and I would > appreciate their input of how they get through these kinds of times. I very > much want to continue, but am fighting discouragement. I should mention that > I'm 38 and don't expect to perform like an 18 year old! MY 9 year old son is > also in class with me ( he got me interested in this in the first place). He > is green belt and very encouraging to his mom. I am concerned that my > discouragement may affect him too, so I would like to work this through in > the most positive way possible. Any advice? > Thanks and TaeKwon! > Susan - -- Mutual respect always! Lee Olsen and Michele Weiland Wisconsin Ao Denkou Kai Port Washington, Wisconsin shelee@execpc.com http://www.execpc.com/~shelee/adk/adk.html ------------------------------ From: "Brian A. Meyer" Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:08:16 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Burnout & Plateaus Susan, Burnout and Plateaus are what make or break you as a martial artist, and = in any part of life for that matter. The biggest step is recognizing = that you have "hit" one. =20 There are two basic ways to deal with plateaus. One is to back off, = Don't quit, but any extra training needs to stop temporarily. Your body = & mind need time to process the information that you are sending it. = Maybe even cut down the number of classes you attend. Your body will = adjust and you will know when it is time to go full bore again. You = can't wait to get back at it. And amazingly enough the places you got = stuck before seem like nothing now, because your mind has had time to = digest the info. The other is to push just a little harder, sometimes = it is a mental thing vs. the physical. When you mind is used to not = pushing your body it can "use" other methods to get you to slow down, = The whole object at rest theory. Push through and break it. That's = what limitations are for. Who said breaking is just for boarks and = bricks? Burnout is another matter all together. If you are feeling burnout, = then you really need to let your body rest. And your mind too. If you = slow your training, but you continue to drill in your mind you will not = see any results. That means slow on the martial training. When your = body has recovered you'll know. Good luck, I hope that I helped, and that I did not just add to your = confusion. - -Brian - ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE7CF9.1C108C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [ 65 lines deleted. Plesae do NOT send HTML to the list. Look for a 'plain text' setting in your mailer. 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Barbara "I'd rather live one day like a tiger than one thousand years like a sheep" - --(Tidbit of wisdom I saw somewhere on the internet!) ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:48:10 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: signing yer name hi ...just a gentle reminder to please sign your posts. there's a bug on this list that prevents the address from showing up in the header of some posts. so please let us know to whom we shall credit all tidbits of wisdom...or who we want to yell at...lol. thanks, melinda chunjido@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:23:44 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #182 In a message dated 4/2/99 9:59:28 AM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << How long does an International Refereee Certificate last? If you were certified at or before age 50, could you continue to ref after 50? Thanks, Sally Baughn CBAUGHN@aol.com >> It has to be renewed periodically or it lapses..As long as your certificate is in force, you may referee as long as you like. IR has several grades - like the USTU system which you have to work your way along. And of course, you get to wear a banana suit. ------------------------------ From: Stan Lim Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 12:05:38 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: mpegs of ITF patterns Since I got a few requests for the files, I've put them up here: http://www.employees.org/~slim/media/chung-moo.mpg http://www.employees.org/~slim/media/hwa-rang.mpg If I am infringing on any copyrights, please let me know. I'm only posting them here for the benefit of others. Stan Lim San Jose, CA ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 12:48:07 PST Subject: the_dojang: American Council on Exercise (ACE) FYI ACE conducted a reader's poll and asked people if they were planning on trying some new fitness class or trend in the upcoming year. 500 individuals responded and four out of five said yes. The activities they were going to try in priority order are: 1). Kickboxing/Boxaerobics 2). TaeBo (Close to 40% of the respondents pointed to these two m.a. activities as the first they would try and would travel quite a distance to try them). 3). Indoor Cycling 4). Pilates 5). Yoga 6). Rock Climbing 7). Body Pump Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 14:00:50 PST Subject: the_dojang: Taekkyon Renaissance -Article from Korea Herald FYI article I came across. http://taekkyun.ch5.net/news_scrap/koreaherald/981225.html Jamaica jamaica_power@hotmail.com Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:18:16 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Plateaus << Hi to all! I'm new to TKD, having just earned my green stripe for my yellow belt this week. I've been training for ten months. I don't have enough experience with this to know how to work through a plateau, and what to expect from these sort of ups and downs in training. At this point, I am training more intensively, but I don't feel that I'm progressing much. I know alot of people out there have trained for many years, and I would appreciate their input of how they get through these kinds of times. I very much want to continue, but am fighting discouragement. I should mention that I'm 38 and don't expect to perform like an 18 year old! MY 9 year old son is also in class with me ( he got me interested in this in the first place). He is green belt and very encouraging to his mom. I am concerned that my discouragement may affect him too, so I would like to work this through in the most positive way possible. Any advice? Thanks and TaeKwon! Susan >> Wow... I'm having a moment here. Seeing people, especially older people, get into the martial arts is so encouraging. I may only be 16, but nothing makes me feel warm and fuzzy like seeing someone put a lot of effort and work into their training. Susan, everybody will come to that one moment in which life seems to take an unexpected dip. I'm already having the first of what will be many. Whatever you do, just do what you can and give it everything you've got. If you feel like you're getting burn-out, just take a couple steps back and re-evaluate, then jump back in. Easier said than done, but I'm having those days where pre-mature senioritis is kicking in; I feel like doing absolutely nothing. But don't worry. You might be facing burn-out, and it is common at certain points in life in which you just feel discouraged and hopeless. There is light at the end of the tunnel, and I know that if you keep with this not only will you further your own training, but you'll give your son a very good model of perseverance and indomitable spirit. Don't give up, but merely take things a couple steps slower to re-evalute the situation. That's all you can really do for now. I hope everything works out for you. Kim Jones addidastkd@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Eric Mueller Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 03:18:36 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Blind Obediance - Confucianism in America .... but I can say in the world of the martial arts it has worked beautifully for far too long to be dismissed as a viable instructional method. SESilz Master Silz, I agree completely with your above statement, especially in regards to the Martial Artist who Trained in Asia, however I would like to add a qualifier to it: The concept of absolute obedience to ones Master (teacher) was born from the Confucian Ethic, which also demanded the highest level of responsibility for ones student from the Master. Here in the United States this level of commitment from the Instructor is not realized, nor is this Confucian level of obedience realized from the student. I am not saying that students in The United States are not "obedient" because the "American Masters are not Worthy" - there is simply a different cultural mindset and Martial Arts educational environment here in the US which precludes the complete realization of the Confucian Ethic in the American Martial Artist. The only exception in America I can think of would be the Resident Athletes at the OTC (Olympic Training Camp) who are trained, fed, housed, educated, and 'protected' by their "Master" for what its worth, that's my 2 cents Eric Mueller ------------------------------ From: Steven Gilmore Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 06:31:57 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: knife forms >I understand that the MDK had at least one knife form/hyung. How about the >other kwans or HKD/HRD/KSW? Do you practice any formal knife hyung/poomse? In Kuk Sool Won, I know of a couple of knife forms (assuming you mean "kahl guhm" for "knife"). The first is the 1st degree black belt form, Guhm Moo Hyung, which is practiced empty-handed even though it is full of knife stabbing, cutting, and throwing movements. The other, armed form, is Ssahng Dahn Guhm Hyung (twin knives), usually taught around 3rd degree black belt level. There are probably others that I am not aware of. Sincerely, Steven Gilmore San Antonio, TX, USA ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 06:56:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Easter Bunny Be good, or you might not see the Easter Bunny tomorrow... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #183 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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