From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #193 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 9 April 1999 Vol 06 : Num 193 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: Who is this Art guy anyway? the_dojang: Re:Turning your Back, side fighting. the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #191 [none] the_dojang: Re: Stragetic SideFighting or Cowardly Evading the_dojang: 2nd Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Challenge - Dallas Texas the_dojang: Re: Sports Vision Tests the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800+ members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Giddins Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:32:54 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Who is this Art guy anyway? >A martial art is the art of ending conflict in the fastest possible manner. I guess Aikido is out.... ha aha Just kidding guys. I love watching Aikido, it just amazes me how you can make a wrist grab defense last 35 seconds.... I forget the comedian, I think it was Rodney Dangerfield, who said about "Modern Art": If I can do it, it ain't art. Just a little humor. Greg Giddins ggiddins@ossinc.net Man is at his best in helping others: at his worst in bettering others. ------------------------------ From: AJ Woodburn Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:56:58 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re:Turning your Back, side fighting. Jamacia wrote: ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> There is one fighting technique that sometimes can be subtle enough that the refs (especially inexperienced refs) don't always call it for what it is. And that's when you turn your side a bit too much which sometimes is called evading a fight or fighting with your back. I've seen some really excellent fighters use this technique and they do not get deducted for it and frequently not even warned for it. So if you are this person's opponent what are some excellent strategies to counteract this type of person or get in on them and make them rotate to your favor. Have you ever been frustrated when you or your student was unable to counter this approach. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Well, I'll be truthful. Almost every great fighter I've seen has done this at one time or another, and I use it myself (not even remotely suggeesting that I'm a great fighter) to keep my scoring area away from my opponent when dealing with a barrage of kicks, but I dont turn my back out, that's too dangerous, and you're letting your eyes off your opponent, something you never want to do. I fight on my side and straighten my front arm down my side, turned so that no round kicks can find my torso, I turn my shoulder in and show them my shoulder blade, then I protect my head with my back hand and LEAN AWAY LIKE CRAZY........... A simple counter to this annoyingly effective technique is simple: CUT, in fact, cut like crazy, travel around your opponent, dont ever fight linear. there are some really neat cuts, most of the more effective ones involve a fake step in and a cut to the open side. You want to MAKE them square, and very quickly too. Another technique follows the philosophy Fight fire with fire, if they want to make it hard for you, turn them with an off center sidekick to the belt at the hip and make it hard for them. or simply step in and "push them open with your shoulder or, if youre brave, your arm. Keep in mind that if your opponent turns their back, scoring is going to be a whole lot harder for you, tipping the scale of the match. If the judges arent calling it (and most wont, unless it's really obvious that your opponent is running away from your attacks) then you've got to do SOMETHING to even the playing field. If youre a good cutter, great, more power to ya, if youre not, then youve got to alter your defense in some way, or the match will be very hard to take. in the words of Dennis Miller: "Of course that's just MY opinion, I could be wrong....." AJ Woodburn 2nd Dan, TSD Dragon102@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ From: "Kim Jones" Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:35:08 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #191 >Subject: the_dojang: Asking for a different referee! >Seeing as referees are people too, I was wondering if when you went >to a tournament and in your ring you saw a referee that you felt was >totally incompetent from substantiated past actions; if you ever >asked for a replacement for that match? > >I really believe there should be criteria set in place for this if >there isn't already. You can ask for a different referee?????? =P I never really thought about that one..... cheese n' rice... I don't think it's possible to ask for another referee, but I have seen referees excuse themselves from a match before and be replaced by another--but only in the case of a mother who would be refereeing in a ring her son would wind up in. Other than that, I haven't really seen referees get called out by the competitor. >I don't feel this system would be abused because for the most part >martial art instructors, coaches, and parents just want to see fair >and good tournaments run quickly and efficiently. > >If the criteria set forth was straightforward and objective this >would also eliminate any abuse of the system. > >I have been to many tournaments were I would put in 10 hour days. >Now there would be other refs there that just showed up and maybe >worked a ring or two and then left or wandered about and really >didn't care about perfecting their skills and quite frankly they >abused the system and the competitors. While I'm only a color belt, I've seen some people show up and put in to referee, but do maybe a ring or two or three, and then spend the rest of the day chillin' and just kickin' back. Where's the volunteer spirit????? >I am also curious why in many organizations the call of the referee >can't be challenged because it is "subjective." I don't agree with >this. At the same time I hear advocates of the electronic scoring >system say that one of the benefits of that mechanism is that it is >helping ref's become more accountable for their calls and sharpening >their skills at calling and determining valid points. More thoughts? Wait... can't your coach ... what's the word or phrase I'm looking for... put in for arbitration of how the match turns out based on the referee's actions???? I'm pretty sure you can do that, but I'm not _completely_ sure. However, I do know y'all know what I'm talking about... what is the phrase for it????????? >"When the rich make war, it's the poor that die." > (Jean-Paul Sartre) (one last unrelated note--love the quote. And it's entirely true. think of all the wars made by our government on other countries.... or ourselves--Civil War, Vietnam, WW I & II, Korea, Desert Storm & Shield, now Kosovo... who's out there fighting the war? NOt the people who declared it, but the pawns, our soldiers. Just a couple thoughts... Kim Jones "All warfare is based on deception." --Sun Tzu, "The Art of War" _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Michael Osier Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [none] karla wrote: > I just got through with one of Dr. Dossey's books (Prayer is Good > Medicine) where he claims there were over 138 scientific studies > (both blind and double blind) about the effects of prayer/mental > energy and the healing process. [..] > They did find that the "professional" healers had growth beyond the > chance factor and the students were in the chance to slightly higher > than the chance factor. I can see a few possible problems with the logic here: - - You say there were 138 studies performed. Did you mean to say there were 138 performed that provided evidence of prayer being effective? If not, then were there only a handful of experiments out of the 138 which were successful? If so, that would make sense statistically. Significance is _generally_ qualified as "1 in 20 studies will provide a false positive". So 1 in 20 studies showing a positive is actually a bad sign (ie prayer wouldn't be working). - - Were these scientific studies peer reviewed? Peer review (review of a journal article by anonymous colleagues) ensures a degree of honesty and verifies the studies were performed correctly (a blind or double blind study isn't sufficient for proof). - - Were these studies replicated? If a study can't be or wasn't replicated by an independent group, a positive result doesn't mean anything. Even if the studies were replicated and peer reviewed, the next step would be to provide a mechanism and proof the mechanism is correct. A "mysterious force" is not a valid mechanism. Scientific proof is a rigorous process. A single (or even a few) hole in ones by a golfer doesn't necessarily mean he's good. It may just mean he's the one out of ten thousand that stumbles on it by chance. I'd go on, but it's time for dinner. :) Michael ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 21:34:41 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Stragetic SideFighting or Cowardly Evading Jamaica wrote: There is one fighting technique that sometimes can be subtle enough that the refs (especially inexperienced refs) don't always call it for what it is. And that's when you turn your side a bit too much which sometimes is called evading a fight or fighting with your back. I've seen some really excellent fighters use this technique and they do not get deducted for it and frequently not even warned for it. Please accept this for the truly naive question this is. I am only recently learning about serious competition methods. But if one person is turned this way, should not the other fighter move around and pursue this person to where they can attack them? It seems like there is a fine line between "running away" and just being smart about how you position yourself. ------------------------------ From: "John Bennett" Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:22:13 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: 2nd Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Challenge - Dallas Texas Carlos Machado invites you to attend the 2nd Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Challenge in Dallas, Texas on Saturday, April 24th, 1999. This event will be conducted by Carlos Machado according to the high standards of the American Federation of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. There are many weight categories and three experience levels. This ensures that all competitors will be afforded an accurate test of their skills in a safe, friendly environment that results in a good time for everyone. Location: Winston School 5707 Royal Lane Dallas, Texas 75229 Late Registration: 9:00am Tournament Begins: 10:00am For more information please call (972) 934-1316 or, visit the tournament web pages at: http://www.machadojj.com/carlos/bjjc2 Thank You! John Bennett Machado Dallas Webmaster http://www.machadojj.com/carlos ------------------------------ From: Karel van der Walt Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 13:56:27 +0300 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Sports Vision Tests I once posted about sport selection. I read a book (lab book of sorts) with batteries of tests for most popular sports at the time. What I could remember was i.a. that sc. knock-kneedness is an asset in skiing. And that proffesional tennis is actually so fast that the eye can not track the whole trajectory of the ball - the player learns to predict the position of contact with the racket and reacts accordingly. What would be requirements for olympic TKD? Body type? Muscle fibres? If have seen able but heavy guys in WTTU/ATA. I will post the title if there is interest. Karel van der walt ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 07:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #193 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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