From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #196 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 11 April 1999 Vol 06 : Num 196 In this issue: the_dojang: Greetings from Singapore! the_dojang: Re: TKD for the Complete Idiot the_dojang: Quotes and TKD for Idiots... the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #195 the_dojang: Testing Butterflies the_dojang: Women in the movies the_dojang: New Sparring System the_dojang: Preliminary Results from Daytona Beach the_dojang: Re: idiot's guide to tkd the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #195 the_dojang: Re: Sports Vision Tests and Exercises the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stan Lim Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 20:38:32 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Greetings from Singapore! Hey guys, I'm in transit for a day in Singapore. Just wondering if we have any members on the list from here. Speak up if you are :-) Stan Lim TKD, San Jose, CA ------------------------------ From: Judy Barnett Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 22:44:37 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: TKD for the Complete Idiot the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com wrote: > From: > Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 07:35:10 EDT > Subject: the_dojang: TKD for the Complete Idiot > > Last night, we were browsing in a genteel black hole, I mean book store, when > I ran across _The Complete Idiot's Guide to Tae Kwon Do_. I looked at the > cover and said, I know that woman...I know those patches...wait a minute, > that's a Tang Soo Do dojang and that's Karen..... > > Sure enough, the book is written by a woman that I know from my days with the > ITF and putting together Tang Soo Do Illustrated. > > It left me wondering: don't publishers double check credentials of people who > write these things???? Sure a lot of TSD people cross over, but just because > you're a second dan TSD doesn't mean that you're qualified to write a book on > TKD. > > Am I missing something here? > > Tang Soo! > > Karla > Karla, Did you happen to notice who the co-author was??? Keith D. Yates IS a TKD Master (9th Dan) and has written numerous books on TKD. In fact, his forms book, "A Complete Book of TKD Forms" is used world wide. Judy B. ------------------------------ From: J Thomas Howard Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 08:08:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: the_dojang: Quotes and TKD for Idiots... Jeff Moore said: > He also said something like: "I wouldn't want to belong to any club that > would have me as a member." > I believe Mark Twain said that one first. :) Karla said: > Last night, we were browsing in a genteel black hole, I mean book store, when > I ran across _The Complete Idiot's Guide to Tae Kwon Do_. I looked at the > cover and said, I know that woman...I know those patches...wait a minute, > that's a Tang Soo Do dojang and that's Karen..... > Sure enough, the book is written by a woman that I know from my days with the > ITF and putting together Tang Soo Do Illustrated. > It left me wondering: don't publishers double check credentials of people who > write these things???? Sure a lot of TSD people cross over, but just because > you're a second dan TSD doesn't mean that you're qualified to write a book on > TKD. > Am I missing something here? Not really. Publishers check that the book will sell. That's about it. I've read through that book----wasn't really impressed. It seemed to me that the author(s) had a real bias with regards to which was "true TKD" and what its history was. Reading it, I thought the bias was unfortunate (seeing as it pretty much ignored half the TKD world) and the history was incorrect. I wouldn't bother suggesting to anyone that they buy it. The Idiot's Guide to Martial Arts was rather better, I thought, though I haven't read it completely yet. Just skimmed here and there---and while not comprehensive (on martial arts, what is?) it did a pretty good job as an overview of the basics of what is out there and what to expect. Thomas - ------------------------------------ thomcat@binary.net http://www.binary.net/thomcat/ "If you aren't modeling what you are teaching then you are teaching something else." ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 09:52:20 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #195 In a message dated 4/10/99 9:54:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > > He also said something like: "I wouldn't want to belong to any club that > would have me as a member." That was Groucho Marx and it was in reference to an exclusive country club that normally didn't let "Jews" in but would make an exception since his wife wasn't Jewish. He made a comment to the effect of, "Since my kids are only half Jewish, does that mean they can only go in the swimming pool to their waist? Besides, any club that would have me as a member is not one I would want to be a member." karla who knows her Marx and Lennon ; ) ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:10:04 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Testing Butterflies Hello Digesters? Yesterday, I tested and passed for my blue belt, 4th gup WTF. I'm sure I am not the only one who gets nervous before testing. I get all keyed up before the test because I think I may not be ready for some particular portion of the test. I tell myself my instructor would not let test unless I was ready and all the other little reassurances but I still get REAL nervous. Then once we get started, it all just disappears! Everything just flows right out. Afterward I tell myself what dope I was for getting so wired up. I should know by now. The same thing happened at my last test, and the one before that, yada yada yada. It will probably keep on happening for every belt test I ever take. I would like to know from some of the more experienced people on this list (that covers just about everyone else from what I see) how you deal with the pre-test jitters. Kamsa Hamnida, Stan Wojcoski wojosg@aol.com ------------------------------ From: burdickd Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 09:22:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Women in the movies Hm. I see you didn't mention Cynthia Rothrock (current queen of the martial arts) and Michelle Yeoh has done more than just appear in that last James Bond flick. You can dig up the old Angela Mao stuff, or just check out Honor Blackman (judo) in Goldfinger. How about lethal weapon 3 (the only time I've seen a woman take out three guys and believed she could do it). I guess you're going to have to find some Hong Kong movies -- they really have gotten much better in later years! You could also look for Joan Chen in that post holocaust flick with Rutger Hauer (Dog something? the name escapes me). Really though, there's not that many good GUYS doing the movies either, so take heart. Hollywood loves a sexy woman kicking butt, but really they just don't know what fight scenes are about. They've got a lot of catching up to do vis a vis the Hong Kong flicks. Just check out the rather pathetic Emma Peel fencing in the Avengers movie - yick! Especially if you remember the original (Honor Blackman again! Yay!). Can anybody think of any more? And NOBODY better mention Disney's Mulan as a rolemodel! :) Yours in the arts, Dakin ------------------------------ From: AJ Woodburn Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:23:11 EDT Subject: the_dojang: New Sparring System the Gardenstate Invitational Championships took place on Saturday, April 10th. This year, we implemented a new scoring system for adult Black Belt divisions: a two (2) minute continuous bout with Cumulative points, and no unnecessay stoppage. The 4 corner judges keep track of the points each competitor gets during the two minutes and the score isnt known until the bout is over. Having wittnessed this system at work only once, I am at a disadvantage in its comparison to the traditional 3 minute, 3 point bout. I found two weaknesses in this system, I would love to have each poster's opinions and views of this system. 1) I noticed a rather curious technique practiced by members of one school (not suggesting that this was done on purpose, just that it was only these students that did it) they would attack with a barrage of attacks and very agressive techniques, but when the fight turned in the other direction, they would fall and so the Referee would stop the match and bring the competitors back to center ring, then the sme blackbelt would do the same thing over and over again, not giving his opponent the chance to attack. I saw this in two matches, the two Competitors were from the same school, and both of the blackbelts staying on their feet were *VERY* skilled fighters, some of the best i have ever seen. both of the latter lost their match. 2) I am unaware of the certification of the refferes, but I am certain that all of the corner judges could not have been certified in this system. I believe this system places too much influence in the hands of the corner judges. one judge can DRASTICALLY influence the match and not even be questioned for it. I wittnessed (shh, dont tell anyone, I was spying, and I'm probably gonna hear it when Smam reads this, for those of you who kno her) a judge marking down three points for a SINGLE technique that I would'nt even call a kick. It was a full extention roundhouse aproximately 10 inches from the headgear. I laughed and left, I couldnt stand to watch any more. thanx for your time! AJ Dragon102@juno.com "sometimes, you find yourself training at your best when you arent really trianing at all......" Kyosa P.S. Way to rock it Sally!!!!!! <<<<<<<<<<<< Super Junior GC ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:44:07 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Preliminary Results from Daytona Beach 4/11/99 Preliminary results from the first day of competition in Daytona Beach - from the man on the floor - Gregg London: Fin - Men Anthony - Melella - Gold Quentin Ing - Silver David Montalvo - Bronze Omar Esposo - Bronze Women Fin Kay Poe - Gold May Pejo Silver Taryn Romyn - Bronze <> Rachel Marciel - Bronze Men's Bantom Gary Zee - Gold Brian Stephen Silver Mark Lopez- Bronze Alphonso Salinas- Bronze Women's Bantom Jennifer Srutowski - Gold Deb Palazzi Silver Jennifer Mohammed- Bronze Liz Evans- Bronze Men's Light Andrew Roberts - Gold John Campos Silver William Palmieri- Bronze Sean Wright- Bronze Women's Light Elizabeth Mohammed - Gold Kelly Thorpe - Silver Krista Tompkins - Bronze Andrea Ferkile - Bronze Men's Middle Weight Eui Lee - Gold Glenn Warren - Silver Curtis Barnett - Bronze Sherman Spinx - Bronze Women's Middle Rebecca Nally - Gold Jada Monroe - Silver Anna Kim - Bronze Michlle Pena Reportedly, the numbers for the Junior Black Belt festival are about the same as last year, around 60-70 competitors. Golden Seniors attendance doubled to 440, while Senior black Belt attendance dropped to 500. Many blame the Florida location, Spring Break plane ticket expense etc..... Rumor has it the USTU has to hold one more National event in Florida Among the missing and wounded in action - Ilya Sergenko, who is on medical leave after taking a serious hit in practice. For the first time that I can remember, supposedly only IR's and A level referees are being used, no C, B or D level referees. Additionally, I spite of the fact that one referee was highly criticized last year for "kyongo'ing out" a competitor in last year's final - the kyongo's are flying fast and furious ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 11:42:08 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: idiot's guide to tkd In a message dated 4/10/99 8:55:52 PM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Last night, we were browsing in a genteel black hole, I mean book store, when I ran across _The Complete Idiot's Guide to Tae Kwon Do_. I looked at the cover and said, I know that woman...I know those patches...wait a minute, that's a Tang Soo Do dojang and that's Karen..... >> actually, it's a pretty good book. i bought it for my fiance' to look through and get the basics. i figured i'd better read it too to see what he's learning. besides, there's always something new to learn and i certainly dont know everything. the book is actually pretty good for learning the basics. i'm only about 1/2 to 3/4 way through it right now, but what i've read so far is pretty on target. there were only a few minor differences from what i've learned to be true. that doesnt necessarily mean they are errors. as far as editors checking qualifications goes....she's got a black belt. they probably dont care beyond that. it sells. it's obvious that youre taking at least minor issue with the fact that a tsd-oin has written this book on tkd. but, have you read the book? melinda chunjido@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Kim Jones" Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 11:54:14 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #195 Subject: the_dojang: female martial artists I have been reading the newsletter for quite a while but this is first posting. I'm currently a 3rd gup in TKD and enjoy it very much. This is more a comment than anything else. The other day, just before the adults class was to start, one girl asked our instructor why was it that there were no "ladies" of martial arts. She said everyone knows of Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, van Damme but where are the ladies?. She mentioned the lady that was in the last 007 film (her name escapes me) and then she said the girl from the last Karate kid movies and there are no more. Our instructor was stump. And I thought she certainly had a point. In all the merchandaising and books, you mostly see male figures and hardly any females role models. Next month there are 2 tournaments in our region, (NY area) and in the posters promoting this event you see male competitors. Why is it that you don't see female competitors in the promotions? Is it because is it still perceived as a male sport and not very "lady like" activity? I welcome any comments or criticism. Karina aka Olivos@aol.com =================================================== (Let me react to this as I will not have the leisure of doing so because my computer gets packed tomorrow, and I will have to mooch off other people and the high school... I just _love_ PCSing... in case there are those of you wondering, I'm heading back to Korea within a week.) I definitely agree with you, Karina. The poster they gave out at the 1998 Junior Olympics had two guys fighting. In most martial art supplier magazines, you rarely see women outfitted in the goodies; it's mostly men sporting the items. With movies, it's the same thing. (BTW - Michelle Yeoh was in the 007 movie.) Just as a lil' test, let me try and count off the renown female martial artists I can think of... there's the aforementioned Michelle Yeoh, the girl from the last Karate Kid movie, and Kathy Long. (Video game characters don't count because they are fictious, imaginary.) The list goes on for men... Jet Li, Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, Jean Claude Van Damme, Chow Yun Fat, Chuck Norris, Bill "Superfoot" Wallace and many more that I can't recall but know are there. Equality between the sexes is still not quite so equal. Take for instance the abundance of females competing at tournaments. How many fellow females have had to deal with really sloppily combined categories? Jeez... maybe I am a bit hefty, but there is absolutely no excuse for me to be the only heavyweight female in a category FULL of lightweights... do you realize the implications of unfair competition????? I already train with a spectrum of people in class; I'd like to be able to go to a tournament--where honesty does exist--and I am able to test my skills against someone with at least the same rank and weight. (Oh, and XX chromosomes.) I have absolutely no idea why promoters neglect to sometimes show a female on promotional posters. Sometimes you see rowdier and more furious fights in the female divisions (if competitors exist to MAKE an actual division) than with the males. I say there is absolutely nothing wrong with putting at least a male and a female together on the same promotional ad/poster. There are more female models (in the fashion) industry, so why neglect us anywhere else? As for the sports-side of Taekwondo being considered "unladylike," I catch enough flack from my peers and sometimes adults for being an active _female_ martial artist. Of course, the majority of teenagers haven't seen enough of the world to know any better and will think "karate" to be synonymous with any given martial art... and thus make complete fools of themselves because they stick their foot in their mouth at every possible opportunity trying to correct you when they step off their lily pad to try and discuss the history of such arts... quite an enjoyable sight, my dear friends, quite an enjoyable sight... but I honestly see no reason for them to try and make a big joke out of it when I am the one putting all my sweat, blood, Icy Hot, and time into my training. It really is no big deal. I have noticed that when guys announce they're in the martial arts, it's no biggie. However, calling upon experience, when I decided to conduct more in-depth investigation in forms for my Research and Development class at school, all eyes were fastened on me. What's the difference? My smaller and feminine frame? I can kick just as good as any guy. I can throw as good as any guy. And I sure can pack a punch just like any guy. To draw my long-winded $.02 to a close, there really is nothing to gawk about females in the martial arts. There _DEFINITELY_ is no need to snub us when trying to get the word out. Women are not as alien as men might think, and vice versa. We just think completely differently, and this might be the root of all inequality. Just my $.02 people. Kim Jones (AdidasTKD22@hotmail.com) "All warfare is based on deception." --Sun Tzu, "The Art of War" _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Karel van der Walt Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:36:45 +0300 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Sports Vision Tests and Exercises http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0670664677/qid%3D923858886/002-4637941-9306225 Well worth the read. Plus they have other titles. Nothing on martial arts though - that is why I asked then and now.... The book is at my folks. I will keep it with me when I next visit. Karel ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 13:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #196 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. 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