From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #205 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 16 April 1999 Vol 06 : Num 205 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: a ques. for the panel the_dojang: Aero kicks, demos, tips, tricks,questions the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #203 the_dojang: jogging, running, sprinting, catching your breath... the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #203 the_dojang: Re: Tutors the_dojang: Re: dan testing the_dojang: Re: PS the_dojang: Re: V6 #204: life's a beach the_dojang: physics question : Dawne the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:26:02 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: a ques. for the panel Have any of you ever made up a handbook for any self-defense or Ladies Self-Defense classes you've held? Either for marketing (what you can hope to learn) or something to help with continuing practice after the class is over. Thank you very much. ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:49:26 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Aero kicks, demos, tips, tricks,questions >>>Then when I got a bit more experienced and started doing more "impressive" stuff for demos I found out the hard way. I had to make sure I was doing the technique correctly and then things just sort of happened. Ray (not Terry)>>>>>>>> ============================= Sounds like you had fun with it, too. I had a few opportunities to not only be part of some demo teams but to be involved as a helper with some really outstanding demo teams that did those running, jumping on top of a pyramid of people, back flip kicks into apples and knives and that kind of thing. Incredible to watch and help these martial artist gymnasts (for lack of a better term). They sure could perform. One side fun note though. When I just used to watch from afar I was always amazed at how the apples splattered and the boards went flying. Then when I got to help set them up I noticed the apples were very ripe and were notched on the top, a little less than 1/2 way down which separated the apple into four parts. So when they were kicked they flew nicely in different directions and splattered so much better. And usually everything happens so fast that lots of times the boards don't get broken it just appears that they do. There's so much activity that goes on and by the time you look at the boards, somebody like me was picking them up already. But it was fun and an honor to see these people peform their amazing feats. Does anybody teach these fancy aero kicks and board breaks in their school. How do they train? Do they work with a gymnastics coach? Or are they naturally talented? If you do demos what would be the fanciest break or the hardest break that brings the most oh's and ah's? Thanks. jamaica_power@hotmail.com _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:45:09 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #203 > From: "Emil J. Fisk" > Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:25:02 +0800 > Subject: the_dojang: dan testing > > I will be testing for my second dan in TKD (WTF) in October, and my > instructor told me that there is also a 2.5km (about 1.6 miles) that must > be done in under 9 minutes. I can understand stamina when it comes to > sparring, but does anybody else have to show physical endurance in this > manner? Really? That's under 6 minutes a mile, which in my book is DAMN fast. I've been a jogger, but never a RUNNER, and I remember once I ran mile in about 6:30, and thought I was agonna die! How many of you folks out there do a 6 minute mile? Anyway, in answer to your question, we don't have test criteria like that. This recalls a thread from the past about so-called "iron man" testing, which I personally have a problem with. Guess it depends on what the individual believes the point of MA is. Kerry 1st Gup TKD with a Dan-Bo test this Saturday kerry.atchinson@wichita.boeing.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: jogging, running, sprinting, catching your breath... > Really? That's under 6 minutes a mile, which in my book is DAMN fast. I've > been a jogger, but never a RUNNER, and I remember once I ran mile in about > 6:30, and thought I was agonna die! How many of you folks out there do a 6 > minute mile? Anyway, in answer to your question, we don't have test > criteria like that. This recalls a thread from the past about so-called > "iron man" testing, which I personally have a problem with. Guess it > depends on what the individual believes the point of MA is. yep, that is somewhat fast. When I was at the University of Illinois (many years ago) the basketball team had to come in at a 6 min mile to show that they had been training in the pre-pre-season. I used to get under 5 mins, but that was 32 years and 95 lbs ago... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:54:17 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #203 In a message dated 4/15/99 9:09:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I have a quick question..... I am writing a paper for history on martial arts an dI am thinking of doing something along the lines of how all MA styles started with the same basic root and function and then developed into the differnt styles of today because of personal preferences and styles.... >> You may wish to use this as the thesis for your paper, but, I submit, you would be quite misguided to do so. It would be impossible to support. It would be more realistic to base your paper on the premise that throughout history man has always had the need to defend himself from aggressors. This leads to the conclusion that methods of personal defense and combat arose out of necessity many times, and in many places. If the methods were successful, the practitioner might just live to pass them on starting an evolutionary process of development. There is no "Sun Source" that gave rise to all the world's martial art systems. Sincerely, Master S.E. Silz ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:15:33 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Tutors Jamaica: >Thanks, Sandy. Point well taken and I'm glad you elaborated on it. >Good that you have people you are able to learn from right in your >own dojang. I will admit when I was a white belt I actually learned >how to do a roundhouse kick from a very young girl that always took >pity on me because the instructor would say I was doing it wrong. >She took me in the womens lounge and would show me how to do it >correctly and what I was doing wrong. I learned much from other >classmates as well. And one other thing that certainly would have >been nice but wasn't around back then was a forum like Ray's where we >are able to ask each other questions and share thoughts. So thanks >again, Ray. I hope some of the newer martial artists realize how >very valuable a forum like this is! Definitely! Thanks, Ray, again. I joined this list a couple months after I started tkd, almost 4 years ago, and it's been very educational. I am on another very educational list as well. There are so many things I would never have been aware of at all without this sort of thing. No matter how good your instructor is there are always things that are not going to be part of a given school, and may never be part of what you do but it's nice to know they are out there. Sandy tokay@netwurx.net ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:27:30 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: dan testing Emil Fisk: >I was just wondering what some people have to go through for their dan >tests? I know that some styles have to write thesis and other papers even >for their 1st dan, while others just have to demonstrate technique. I always am interested to hear the responses to these questions, so guess I better answer too. I have heard a huge range of requirements from different people both in terms of technique and other elements. This is what I had to do: First, we have a "blakc belt candidate" rank, what some call bo dan. This included doing all the Taeguk forms plus our "basic 1" form, the first 5 with Korean terminology, several rounds of sparring, 3 board breaks. Somehow this seemed harder than the next test even though it shouldn't have been. I believe there were also questions asked about history and background of tkd but I'm not sure if this was that test or the next one. The actual "black belt test" consisted of doing all the forms plus Koryo and the basic form backwards, 3 board breaks of which 2 were with 2 boards, 15 hapkido techniques, several rounds of sparring, and a short written essay on what the black belt means to you. Also there were definitely questions about history and other knowledge asked at this test. Adults are required to break a concrete block. Our master instructor always says women do not have to do this but we all do anyway, I have yet to see anyone decline (but some have not acutally done it and were passed anyway). Just recently 2 more tests were added after this during the probationary period, which included more hapkido, more breaking, Keumgang, Kwan Ge,(sp?), and more recitations. And no, I do not believe this is an effort by my instructor to make more money, he has added a lot of things to our curriculum and is keeping us on our toes :) Things we don't do which I have heard many school do are long runs and meditations. Sandy tokay@netwurx.net ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:28:49 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: PS Sorry, hit the send button too quick... good luck, Emil! As I said, I have heard many people have to do running although we don't. I have heard of 7 mile runs for first dan testing. ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V6 #204: life's a beach Did something similar for my 2nd gup test a couple of years ago. Ran on the beach (about 2 miles, not timed). Techniques were all in sand, too, and the dry, deep sugar sand way up from the tide line at that (I was hoping to be allowed to perform on the nice, firm, wet stuff;>) The climax was when I had to perform my bo defense techniques and forms. My instructor had neglected to bring a bo along, so I had to do them empty handed. Talk about needing to concentrate! To this day he swears this was unintentional, but I'm not completely conviced;>) >Yep, had to run for a dan test. I had a 2 mile run ON THE BEACH for my >first dan test. Ever try and run 2 miles in wet sand? Let me tell ya, it >bites. Then I moved right in to the forms, combos and techniques, right >there in the sand. Tang Soo! Scott A. Miller samiller@bix.com samiller@cyberenet.net ------------------------------ From: "Emil J. Fisk" Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:04:30 +0800 Subject: the_dojang: physics question : Dawne Hi Dawne, You didn't leave your e-mail address on the message you posted. Could you please private e-mail me as I have a few questions I'd like to ask? Thanks. Emil Fisk fiskej@pd.jaring.my ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:18:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #205 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. 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