From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #212 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 20 April 1999 Vol 06 : Num 212 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: NE PA Stick and Knife Clinic the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #210 the_dojang: Story the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #211 the_dojang: Challenge or Cake Walk (re: Running) the_dojang: Tangsoodo forms info the_dojang: Running and MA the_dojang: Re: AAU the_dojang: Re: Personalized M.A. License plates the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #210 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #211 the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Victor Cushing" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:29:55 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: NE PA Stick and Knife Clinic Scranton Tang Soo Do Academy and Combat Hapkido Academy are sponsoring a five hour clinic Modern Arnis clinic taught by Michael Alfano on Blunt and Edged Weapons from 12:00 - 5:00 PM on Sat 15 May 99 at 2641 Pittston Avenue, Scranton Pa. Bargain rates: $25.00 for registration by 08 MAY 99 or $ 35.00 after that. go to www.combathapkido.com/news.htm for more information or call 570-842-1558. For those of you who already train in FMA this is another chance to add to your skills. For those of you who train in other arts, here is a quick way to sample and perhaps add to your options. Vic Cushing ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:47:09 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #210 In a message dated 4/19/99 06:33:32 PM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > One was how much discipline and perhaps power or force should be used > on students with an overly aggressive attitude. Those that have a > chip on their shoulder, that know better than the instructor, that > aren't listening and that believe the hype in the TV shows is where > the real answers are rather than with their instructor. > > I'm not talking about just doing 50 gazillion pushups, either. Some > of these students take their attitude not only into the dojang but > into sparring sessions. They use more force than necessary and > sometimes cause injury to their partners/instructors. They don't pull > back, they don't want to improve their techniques. > > How long do you hang on to these students and try to help them or do > you let them go? > > I guess it's a little like the dilemma school teachers face every > day. Certainly they cannot discipline as in the old school days. Any > ideas on reaching these 18 year old testosterone filled kids. On > knocking them back into balance? They certainly aren't in to > learning about the spirit of the art. > > Thanks > > jamaica_power@hotmail.com It sounds like you have made several types of attempts already. If talking, doing pushups, etc. hasn't worked so far, I would suggest a passive rather than an aggressive approach. First, always pair the student with an advanced belt adult, to minimize the chance of injury. Then, if the student gets "out of control" during sparring, it is up to the advance belt to call a halt to the fight and bow out. If the fight has to be stopped the student does not get to spar any more during that session, no exceptions. Perhaps they could stand with the instructor during the rest of the matches and the instructor can point out instances of good sparring technique, control, and potential improvements in technique (i.e. If Joe sidestepped just a little faster, he would have been able to avoid the kick and would have had a perfect setup for a reverse punch to the ribs.) This way the student is still learning. Also make sure that the student understands that they will not be allowed to spar until they can do so "in control" and that sparring is required for promotion. Be clear about what "in control" means in your school and what appropriate levels of contact are. Clearly, the level of contact we allow amongst our BB's is much higher than the level allowed between an advanced student and a intermediate student or even between two intermediate students. Make sure everyone understands the difference. If skills are part of the problem, some control type exercises might help. Such as punching and kicking drills on the heavy bag, done rapidly, but barely touching the bag (no swing). Later they can move on to light and medium contact. Stress to the student that the person who can control their level of contact on demand has a much higher level of mastery than one who can only hit full power or can only hit lightly. If none of the above work, then it may be time to pair them with an experienced fighter who can humble them a bit by hitting them (with reasonable control) at will without taking any significant blows as an example that superior skill will win out over brut force. Generally speaking, I don't agree with the escallate the contact to their level and and teach them a lesson philosophy. If a student gets hurt or beat up, nobody wins. IMHO, - ---Kim KAS001@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Dennis McHenry" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:58:39 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Story A friend sent this to me and I enjoyed it very much. I thought I'd share it with you. Dennis THE CARPENTER An elderly carpenter was ready to retire. He told his employer contractor of his plans to leave the house building business and live a more leisurely life with his wife enjoying his extended family. He would miss the paycheck, but he needed to retire. They could get by. The contractor was sorry to see his good worker go and asked if he could build just one more house as a personal favor. The carpenter said yes, but in time it was easy to see that his heart was not in his work. He resorted to shoddy workmanship and used inferior materials. It was an unfortunate way to end his career. When the carpenter finished his work and the builder came to inspect the house, the contractor handed the front door key to the carpenter. "This is your house," he said, "my gift to you." What a shock! What a shame! If he had only known he was building his own house, he would have done it all so differently. Now he had to live in the home he had built none too well. So it is with us. We build our lives in a distracted way, reacting rather than acting, willing to put up less than the best. At important points we do not give the job our best effort. Then with a shock we look at the situation we have created and find that we are now living in the house we have built. If we had realized that we would have done it differently. Think of yourself as the carpenter. Think about your house. Each day you hammer a nail, place a board, or erect a wall. Build wisely. It is the only life you will ever build. Even if you live it for only one day more, that day deserves to be lived graciously and with dignity. The plaque on the wall says, "Life is a do-it- yourself project." Who could say it more clearly? Your life today is the result of your attitudes and choices in the past. Your life tomorrow will be the result of your attitudes and the choices you make today. ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:05:20 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #211 In a message dated 4/20/99 11:08:45 AM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << t has Taeguk forms, basic techniques, sparring and attack/defense techniques, and history. Great resource up to 1st dan (no Koryo or advanced techniques.) >> Darlene - Master Pak from the NCTA has a great book he puts out for his association - and it has the higher forms in it. And if you want the lower forms on beautiful large posters - write me. I have several - big enough to see from across the room - you can look up when you get the "What do I do next" move and there it is - without having to rewind the tape or find you place in the book. ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:27:42 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Challenge or Cake Walk (re: Running) The thread on running reminds me of the thread that was posted awhile back when one martial artist had to remain in a meditative position for over 3 hours and had never done this before. Taking into account that health should be a first priority, always, I will say that what is a challenge for some is a cake walk for others. If I were given the challenge to run I would be the happiest person in the world. Elated actually if that were part of my martial arts test. However when you tell me to do a stepping in tornado kick into a back spin kick and break 3 boards..haha I want to die.. I always hated those surprises. Sir, I will do a back spinning kick into 2 boards. No, you will do a flying back flip into 5 boards.(smile). I happen to be a good runner and if I knew beforehand that is what would be required I would be soooo very happy. One thing I always knew about my tests is that it was NEVER what they said it would be, never ever. And yet I suspect there are lots of people on this digest that would love to show off their breaking skills and think it was major fun while I was dying a slow death. I had no problems on my knuckles in push up position for 10 minutes with out even quiver, I would have no problems in a meditative position for a very long time. And yet my instructors would always zero in on exactly what I didn't like and make it harder and have me do it. Guess that's part of being a martial artist. So I guess it's in the eyes of the beholder. I also heard a few years ago that at one of the USTU/IR seminars the refs had to unexpectedly do quite a few miles no matter what age or who you were? I don't know anymore details than that but I remember one older Master Instructor commenting about his surprise as this was not his first IR exam. jamaica_power@hotmail.com Namaste - Krinvanto Vishvam Aryam _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Dennis McHenry" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:46:05 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Tangsoodo forms info From: "Darlene" Dennis, One good source I've found for Taeguk forms is a book from our local library: _Tae Kwon Do: The Ultimate Reference Guide to the World's Most Popular Martial Art_ by Jon Gerrard, Yeon Hee Park and Yoen Hwan Park, c1989, Facts on File Publications. It has Taeguk forms, basic techniques, sparring and attack/defense techniques, and history. Great resource up to 1st dan (no Koryo or advanced techniques.)>> Thanks Darlene, but I was actually looking for advanced tangsoodo forms. Dakin: <> Dakin, I'm not sure if you remember me from the WKU Hall of Fame induction last June. I was working a lot with William, he had also let me borrow his dobak. You may know about the advanced tangsoodo hyungs, sorim jang kwon (sholin long fist) and tae guk kwon (tai chi form) that tangsoodo does. Have you ever seen the Korean version or have any documentation/videos with them? Thanks, Dennis ------------------------------ From: Ron Steele Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:45:05 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Running and MA >There is nothing wrong with running - it's great for endurance/wind training. I have to take strong exception to this. For a lot of people running is just about the worst exercise they can do. It can destroy the knees and cause major back problems from the constant impact. That's not to say it's a problem for everyone, but you don't have to be fat and out of shape to have serious problems caused by running. Even people who enjoy running and have a "runner's build" sometimes find themself literaly beat up after years of it. There are a lot of other exercises that will give just as good an aerobic workout as running including swimming and cycling that are no-impact. I am large and have heavy bones, but I am not fat. Running for me is a virtual impossibility. If I run a 1/2 mile, I can barely walk for the next two days due to knee pain. At any rate, I guess an MA association can set any requirements it wants, but if mine required running, I would head for the door, at a nice fast walk. Ron ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:19:57 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: AAU In a message dated 4/15/99, 12:05:04 PM, the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: <> I also read this article and found it very interesting. I am currently part of a small regional organization and I think there could be advantages for me to work within the framework of the AAU to develop the sport aspect of Tae Kwon Do within my school. I would still however like to maintain the current structure I have in place for testings and class structure. Does anyone have any experiences doing something like this that they could share? Jason Swanson 3rd Dan ------------------------------ From: Stan Lim Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:13:42 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Personalized M.A. License plates >> Just a trivia type fun thing with me. Anybody have personalized >> martial arts license plates on their vehicles. I do. A couple of >> mine are: Warbird (military martial arts) and Hajime. >> >> If you don't have them do you have any suggestions for them. Most >> states are think are 7 to 8 characters long. Please share. As I >> travel around the country I've been logging different ones I find. > >I do. It is BAHISTK. That stands for Bahi Stick. Bahi is a type of >wood and is a popular material for making battle sticks. Most people think >it is a religion. I guess they're almost right... :) > >Ray Terry >raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com I thought you made a killing on a stock called BAHI :-) In CA, we are limited to 7 characters. If I were to get MA licence plates, I'd go for "KICK ASS" :-) Stan Lim <-- my current license plate, really! slim@employees.org ------------------------------ From: Chuck Sears Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:22:10 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #210 > > > From: "Jamaica Power" > Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:09:11 PDT > Subject: the_dojang: Do you like all your students? > > Or maybe I could phrase this, do you think you have to like all your > students for optimal levels of teaching and achievement? > > Or for those that are students not instructors, do you have to like > your instructor? > > I personally do not think you do as long as a level of respect and > fairness can be elicited from both parties. I think positive > connectivity can occur without liking each other. Sometimes people > are just not likeable for many reasons and present themselves as > difficult clients. Some are dependent and want people to feel sorry > for them, some are clingy, some feel they are entitled to everything, > some manipulatiive and some self-destructive. I agree. There are some seniors in my organization that I will consult with only if I have to. I respect what they have done and understand that I can (and do) learn from them, but I don't want to hang with them, so to speak. ------------------------------ From: Chuck Sears Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:32:13 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #211 > > > From: "Jamaica Power" > Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:43:35 PDT > Subject: the_dojang: Surveillance camers & Security Issues at Tournaments > > Let's talk about surveillance cameras at tournaments and security > issues for our athletes. It is my personal opinion that they have > been in use for a long time at some of the more elite tournaments. > > I think they should be used at local, state, and national tournaments. > ...snip... Wooo...I would absolutely quit competing and forbid my students to go to tournaments if things have sunk that low. If a tournament site is so dangerous that we need cameras to prevent poisonings, we don't need to be there. Remember that one of the concepts of self-defense is to control your environment as much as possible. Don't knowingly place yourself in jeopardy. > > > ------------------------------ > > From: Stan Lim > Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:46:06 -0700 > Subject: the_dojang: Extra weight [Was: Running for Dan test] > > Angie Reed Garner wrote of her instructor: > > >He indicated he was perfectly willing to train me with my limitations > >if I was willing to keep an open mind about what might actually > >be possible for me to do over time with training. > >He asked me not to foreclose on my own possibilities > >out of fear. This seemed like a good deal to me. > > VERY good idea. Look at Sammo Hung. Who would believe > that a "fatty" like that can be so athlethic and highly > skilled at martial arts? Never underestimate the power of us lardbutts. We'll knock ya down, then sit on ya!! ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #212 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. 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